Curse

Stolen Souls · Mar 21, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

/notsigned coz Im evil >=]
I would recommed u to take N/Rts instead of Monks then, and please, there is a reason why nobody gives Prot Spirit to Monk Heroes but to Eles, Necs and whatnot

The prot henchies do the same thing. Can't really avoid them using Prot spirit, as it is on their bar, can't disable it.

Kusandaa · Mar 21, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

I would recommed u to take N/Rts instead of Monks then, and please, there is a reason why nobody gives Prot Spirit to Monk Heroes but to Eles, Necs and whatnot.

Ever played minion bomber? I have. And every now and then, I notice that minions have weapons spells on them...

Super Igor · Mar 21, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

Ever played minion bomber? I have. And every now and then, I notice that minions have weapons spells on them...

Wut!? And u can possibly call SW on Minions to be bombed bad??? Maaan u should run Minion Bomber moar often. :P

[Morkai] · Mar 21, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Zydonis

If you can't make heros work for you, take humans.

Or Get better heroes and let the MM do the healing. Gogo.

Gift3d · Mar 21, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

It is a fact that Tahlkora infuses minions.

I THINK they only heal minions when they are very high on energy. My Tahlkora only infused minions when there were no monsters around and when she had high energy... then again this is only an assumption because i've never watched to see if who she was infusing in combat actually was a minion.

upier · Mar 21, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Truth be told I haven't had a huge issue with them in ages. But then again - I rarely run a MM in places that would be so hard that the monks doing stupid things would cause trouble for the party.

But since it does not concern me - and it obviously is causing problems for other people - why not?
Sure, count me in!

Regulus X · Mar 21, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

My suggestion is to have your minion master hero (or real player) bring Blood Ritual, or BiP even, for the monks. Also, Have your MM bring that enchantment spell that gives energy per health-sacrifice made so that he can spam his heals. It's a good thing that Monks heal minions because they're the ones that turn the tides of battle. You want the minions to stay alive, so I believe that hero monks should not stray from the awesome AI ability to heal minions on their own. I also usually have a 3-man healing/prot backline (comprised of a combination of Monks, N/Rts and/or Paragons).

Cacheelma · Mar 21, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

I agree with the issue the op has. But the thing is, heroes do so many annoying things beside this one. And from what I've read so far (Anet's dev interview and stuff), they made Hero's AI to be what it is FOR A REASON (I.E. They intend it to be this way).

So basically I don't see a change coming up anytime soon.

Darkobra · Mar 21, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Eldin

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Same should go for NPCs. My MM had to restart Vizunah Square twice cause Mhenlo was so busy healing minions he forgot to move with the party.

I completely forgot about this. It has cost me Masters several times. Now it definitely needs a fix, seeing as I have no control over what Mhenlo can do.

MagmaRed · Mar 21, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Monks use the same AI as any class when it comes to skills that target allies. Death Nova, Jagged Bones, Taste of Death, etc. are all used by lots of MMs, and tons of heroes. They target the minions.

The same AI function allows for skills like Protective Spirit, Heal Other, Word of Healing, and even Healing Breeze to work on anything but the caster. It does the same thing for spells like Spirit Light, Windborne Speed, Inspired Hex, etc. as well.

If you make it so hero Monks won't cast on minions, it means that Ritualist heroes won't cast spells on spirits, or any spell will get cast on NPCs like the Ghostly Hero, or any of the numberous allied NPCs for quests/missions.

I'd prefer to have those NPCs, spirits, etc. cast on then minions to be left alone.

Besides, if the MM takes care of the minions properly, the Monk won't be healing them much anyway.

Nightmares Hammer · Mar 21, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19

/signed

I don't play with humans anymore...

payne · Mar 21, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

SV on prot spirit minion - easy boss kills :P

/unsigned

Phoenix Tears · Mar 21, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

not signed ...

its a good thign to keep your minions longer alive, when your monks heal also the minions ..

the stupid thign about heroes is only their garbage AI ... and that we players are unable to control them really good, because the control system of heroes in GW simple sucks balls.

Would we players able to give our heroes real personal setted AI's, like in Final Fantasy 12 with the "Gambit System" , then would we have in GW a perfect hero System, where heroes would be able to micro manage themself due to an AI Setting given to them, created by the player itself, which tells the heroe, how to handle in all kinds of situations...

There would have the Monk hero then different gambits, which tell the Hero AI, which things the hero should heal, and which things NOT and especially you can tell then the AI, WHEN it should heal something ..

for example, if they should use Skill 1 at 50% health of party member A, or if they should use skill 1 first, when party member A is at under 25% health ...

FF12's gambit system is for personal setted AI's just ideal and its simple to understand and to use ...

Hailey Anne · Mar 21, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Zydonis

If you can't make heros work for you, take humans.

Heroes > PuGs even when the Heroes arent working right

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Just stand around with degening minion army and you would see that healers are not healing them a lot.

I stand around in Arborstone waiting for Danika to open the damn gate instead shes trying to heal my minions as are my heroes even though Im making my MM spam BotM.

BlackSephir · Mar 21, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Don't give Healing Breeze to healer heros. Problem solved.

Here comes Captain Clueless. The only guy in the world who thinks that Healing Breeze = Prot Spirit

*sigh*
/Signed
This should've been done back in 1997.

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Just stand around with degening minion army and you would see that healers are not healing them a lot.

No, thx, I saw Tahlkora cast Prot Spirit on minions many times, I don't need to see it 27 more times, I don't need to record it. Monks heal minions, monks prot minions.
This is bad, change it.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 21, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

life barriar spam on minions ftw

also i did watch the infuser fun

Phoenix Tears · Mar 21, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Here comes Captain Clueless. The only guy in the world who thinks that Healing Breeze = Prot Spirit

*sigh*
/Signed
This should've been done back in 1997.

No, thx, I saw Tahlkora cast Prot Spirit on minions many times, I don't need to see it 27 more times, I don't need to record it. Monks heal minions, monks prot minions.
This is bad, change it.

This is not bad, this is good for MM's which tactic is it to have long living minions and not being minion bombers ..

also your monks shoot of their energy not only for minions -.- there are still up to 7 other party members, which want to get healed ...

when the monks shoot to quick out their energy, then simple sucks their ENERGY MANAGEMENT in kind of the build... for being played together with MM's in the team , or it are simple too less monks in the team... then are maybe 2 monks not enough, increase to 3 monks and see again, if it stays still so with the heavy energy loss ...

Otherwise the simple solution will be: put a god damn BiP necro into your party or/and a paragon, which should support your monks with Skills for Energy management ....

if this alone helps all not, then PLAY with PLAYERS !!!, because the AI of Heroes is simple shit .... with players you don't will have those problems of unwanted Minion Heals ...

Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 21, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

yet with players you get monks actually charging for healing services.............on top of that you also get monks not healing certain people just cause the monk is an asshat

Siirius Black · Mar 21, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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I never had any problem with this. I think there are more pressing problems that I would like fixed first.

Yeah , once in a while the AI messes up, but most of the time it does ok.

garethporlest18 · Mar 21, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Siirius Black

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I never had any problem with this. I think there are more pressing problems that I would like fixed first.

Yeah , once in a while the AI messes up, but most of the time it does ok.

Maybe not for you but hero AI works for some and doesn't work for others, which is retarded as all get out.

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Besides, if the MM takes care of the minions properly, the Monk won't be healing them much anyway.

Except you left out about the part of minion bombers not wanting their minions to last. That's the whole point. It's not the MM's job to sit and spam BotM the whole battle. And no we will not just accept that's how it is, Anet needs to fix what's broken.