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Stella/Shin · Mar 21, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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quicker to get skill points in pve and the zaishen chest is for pvp, you're jsut encoraging PvE chars to use the zaishen chest more often

Yawgmoth · Mar 21, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I can grind 25 skillpoints per hour, exchanging them for zkeys would be fantastic! Wowzor!

What a stupid idea, really.

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Zahr Dalsk · Mar 21, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Because currently skill points have no actual purpose for me.

Either this or remove the fee to learn a skill that we've unlocked already.

Arkantos · Mar 21, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

So why exactly are PvP players getting PvE rewards?

I mean they could have set it up so that they had better or every possible skin/armor unlocks via the Balth faction, but no they get a sellable PvE weapon/tome/creme/ect...

I would bet most all of the PvP players that turned in points for Keys either sold the items or sold the keys themselves.

And I don't recall any $100,000 reward for PvE players.......!

Because once you've unlocked everything in PvP, there's nothing to use your balthazar faction on. It's easier to farm skill points then to farm faction. PvPers get to use zaishen chest/hall of heroes chest, PvErs get to use every other chest in the game. Besides that, most PvPers also PvE.

The reason there was no $100,000 reward for PvE is because nobody should be rewared for killing bad AI. There's a difference between winning a tournament against some of the best PvPers in the game then killing bad AI.

stretchs · Mar 21, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Its a good way to implement another use of skill points? Probably going to hear too much QQ for the PVP groups about it, so maybe something else I dunno, but i know I have over 500 skill pts unused on 2 dif chars that cannot cap anything else =[

tankity tank · Mar 21, 2008, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Grant 5k faction to a pvp character when they gain a skillpoint instead.

IMHO, go buy more consumables.

stretchs · Mar 21, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

The consumable buying with skill points I have yet to even bother with, no need for those really. In reality the concept of using 10sp's for 1 z key isnt a bad idea, just brings about tons of QQ from the PVP crowd cause they wont be the only ones that get the keys.

Splitisoda · Mar 21, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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If this happened, people would keep making NF chars, do the NF mission, and probably get like 1-2 zaishen keys ever 20 minutes?

yum · Mar 21, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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The Z chest was added into the game to give rewards to PvPer who already were UAX and had no use for their balthizar faction.

Pardon me, but I don't see the word "PvErs"in that statement.

/thread.

stretchs · Mar 21, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

That is your interpretation of why it was put in there. There are many reasons that it was inserted into the game, from your suggestion, to getting more pve people into pve for those type of rewards, to finding other ways to introduce new items and so on. Remember personal opinion is not fact.....

Arkantos · Mar 21, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by stretchs

The consumable buying with skill points I have yet to even bother with, no need for those really. In reality the concept of using 10sp's for 1 z key isnt a bad idea, just brings about tons of QQ from the PVP crowd cause they wont be the only ones that get the keys.

10 skill points is nothing. Do you know how many people have over a thousand skill points on their account?

If ANet let you buy zaishen keys with skill points, zaishen keys are going to be pretty much worthless, and there are going to be tons of more rares in the economy.

Quote:

That is your interpretation of why it was put in there. There are many reasons that it was inserted into the game, from your suggestion, to getting more pve people into pve for those type of rewards, to finding other ways to introduce new items and so on. Remember personal opinion is not fact.....

It's a fact that the zaishen chest was added into the game for PvPers to waste faction on them.

Tyla · Mar 21, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

It's a fact that the zaishen chest was added into the game for PvPers to waste faction on them.

I thought it was because there were no Faction Sinks other than Tournament Tokens when you're UAX...

Mind you, what PvP'er ISN'T UAX?

stretchs · Mar 21, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

10 sp - 25 sp whatever, as for your fact, please enlighten us all where your "fact" evidence is at. This chest drops items that are typically PVE in nature, you trying to argue otherwise is nonsense. The fact that finding other ways to use Skill Points is what this started on, if they said use 100sp, whatever the # it would be a good additional use just like the unuseable balthy faction that others have. These unuseable skill points are useless much like your faction so please look at it from the same why all the QQ did when you saw all the balthy faction that you had no place to dump it for.

Arkantos · Mar 21, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

25 is still nothing.

My evidence that the zaishen chest was added for PvPers is, well, the fact that the only way to get zaishen keys is via PvP.

There needs to be other uses for skill points, yes. This isn't a great solution.

Tyla · Mar 21, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by stretchs

10 sp - 25 sp whatever, as for your fact, please enlighten us all where your "fact" evidence is at. This chest drops items that are typically PVE in nature, you trying to argue otherwise is nonsense. The fact that finding other ways to use Skill Points is what this started on, if they said use 100sp, whatever the # it would be a good additional use just like the unuseable balthy faction that others have. These unuseable skill points are useless much like your faction so please look at it from the same why all the QQ did when you saw all the balthy faction that you had no place to dump it for.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...+ sink+please
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...+ sink+please
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...+ sink+please
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...+ sink+please
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...+ sink+please

To name a few.

No matter how much SP to trade for it, it wouldn't be as...*worth*.
These links are also proving they were for PvP'ers on balth faction by the way.

Phoenix Tears · Mar 21, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30

pve's should be able to trade in for Skill Points Flames of Balthazar ..

3 Points/5 Points = 1 Flame of Balthazar

Or use Skills Points to trade them in for Lightbrigner/SS,Asura/Norn ect. Reputation ...

10 Points = 1000 Rep Points

or

Trade in 1 Point and get somewhere 100g for it

or become able to trade in Skill Points against Alcohol ,Sweets and Party Stuff that gives 1 Point/Minute

or become able to trade in with Skill Points Rare Materials

5 points per 1 piece of a randomous rare material

there are so many ways to give Skill points a better usage

StormDragonZ · Mar 21, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

Skill points will have value now: Currently Skill Points are pointless. Most people already have the skills they want, or have way to many points to worry about using them up.

What I have bolded is the only reason why I will not sign.

Not everyone uses Regular and/or Elite Skill Tomes.

Tearz1993 · Mar 21, 2008, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

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If this happened, people would keep making NF chars, do the NF mission, and probably get like 1-2 zaishen keys ever 20 minutes?

QFT

/notsigned for reasons already stated

yum · Mar 21, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

pve's should be able to trade in for Skill Points Flames of Balthazar ..

3 Points/5 Points = 1 Flame of Balthazar

Or use Skills Points to trade them in for Lightbrigner/SS,Asura/Norn ect. Reputation ...

10 Points = 1000 Rep Points

or

Trade in 1 Point and get somewhere 100g for it

or become able to trade in Skill Points against Alcohol ,Sweets and Party Stuff that gives 1 Point/Minute

or become able to trade in with Skill Points Rare Materials

5 points per 1 piece of a randomous rare material

there are so many ways to give Skill points a better usage

You fail at reading comprehension I guess.

Limu Tolkki · Mar 21, 2008, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

What I have bolded is the only reason why I will not sign.

Not everyone uses Regular and/or Elite Skill Tomes.

But they're, never used tomes, never had any problems with skill points.

Maybe 10 skill points per key or something like that. Skill points really need some usage.