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Lexar · Apr 10, 2008, 12:16 PM // 12:16

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exp points is mostly the sign of how much you farmed

I have feeling 60% of the posts in this forum section come from people who only read the title of the topic but not the actual post itself.

Proff · Apr 10, 2008, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by yakeh

Coming from a guy with an IGN of "Taalon Draake", I attach no value to this statement whatsoever. Sue me.

Coming from a guy with an IGN of "P Imp Daddy", I attach no value to this statement whatsoever. Retard.

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Arduin · Apr 10, 2008, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by yakeh

Wow, what valuable argument. Skills have nothing to do with gw! Good job on that one.
FAIL.

Care to explain on this one?

MithranArkanere · Apr 10, 2008, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by Lexar

I have feeling 60% of the posts in this forum section come from people who only read the title of the topic but not the actual post itself.

You just don't value what is meant to be valued.

That's all.

Getting 1 million exp is easier than getting 20 different miniatures. Yeah, some may cost 4k, but NOT all, and of course NOT those that are already dedicated.

Maybe you don't like them, but that doesn't change that you get more exp the smaller the party size, and that Anet may add some solo quests, but will not encourage going solo all over the place.

Lexar · Apr 10, 2008, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Getting 1 million exp is easier than getting 20 different miniatures.

Perhaps, although personally I doubt it, but that's besides the point, I guess. The thing is, I don't think a comparison like that holds ground because in the end you could also look at it from a different angle, for example, instead of 20 miniatures and 1 million exp, you could say: 1 single miniature is rewarded but 20 million experience points isn't. From that point of view it doesn't seem like a fair system at all, does it?

In that manner you could also turn around what you said about more exp when you play solo. You could just as easily say Anet actually does encourage people to go solo because of the very fact that you are rewarded more exp when the party is smaller. I suspect it works that way because teams of 8 can make kills faster so in the end they still end up making more exp than any solo guy anyway.

Anyways what I meant with my quote there, was that there's a couple of posts that just bluntly state EXP is rewarding farmers, even though I have already mentioned several times how that doesn't hold any ground when you compare it to some titles out there, it's kinda frustrating when that's being ignored and people simply react to the topic title.

MithranArkanere · Apr 10, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

What? You doubt it?
WITHOUT farming, I got 6 million experiencie before getting the 20 miniatures I have now.

Characters get mor exp in parties with less members.
That's something everyone knows.

And the action that most people do in low member parties is farming.
Almost no one goes to make Adventues or quests solo, since the reward is the same, and going in parties is faster.

Most farming builds are meant to kill faster and get benefits from bigger number of enemies. The more they are, the faster they dye, or the more health you recover, or the more energy you have and things like those.

Going in parties you may kill faster, but the difference is not compensated. With a farming build, you may even kill faster than going with a bunch of allies without those farming builds. And when farming you go to specific points, usually all of the same profession or just the same monster, so your build can be much more specific that buildsused to work in wide areas against different types of enemies.

A good example are the Vaettir. Killing 60 of them takes less than 7 minutes with a farming build. With a build meant to work in the rest of Jaga Morraine, but a full party, even if it's quicker, will get less experience per minute and party member.

You don't see it, but that's what it is.

HawkofStorms · Apr 10, 2008, 03:38 PM // 15:38

I also don't understand how he "doubts it." Due to the exp from turning in normal mode books in GW:EN, I had around 1 million exp (went for 5 million to 6 on my main) in less then a month.

Lexar · Apr 10, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

I can go to any outpost and BUY 20 minipets right now and not spend that much money either. Certainly nowhere near the amount you get by the time you have gotten 1 million exp.

Or you could take up 7 character slots and wait 3 years and you would never even have to PLAY the game.

MithranArkanere · Apr 10, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

But farming is not 'playing' the game, is something 'out of the parameters' like running, rushing missions, roleplaying in outposts...
You do it, it's your business. But you are not getting a title for it.

No matter how you see it, more exp in the same time means solo playing.
And solo playing will never be something 'treated' in GW.

Takeko Nakano · Apr 10, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

But farming is not 'playing' the game, is something 'out of the parameters' like running, rushing missions, roleplaying in outposts...
You do it, it's your business. But you are not getting a title for it.

Erm, what? People get titles already for farming - e.g. Norn rep, sunspear, etc.

Not sure why XP is any different.

Proff · Apr 10, 2008, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Takeko Nakano

Erm, what? People get titles already for farming - e.g. Norn rep, sunspear, etc.

Not sure why XP is any different.

Have you ever heard of HM? You can get to at least r9 in all of the eotn titles just by playing the game and maybe even max one or two. Sunspear and lightbringer are a bit harder because of the insane amout of rep required for the last rank but aren't much worse.

yakeh · Apr 10, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Proff

Coming from a guy with an IGN of "P Imp Daddy", I attach no value to this statement whatsoever. Retard.

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You literally copied my funniness? Aren't you ashamed?

FYI, P Imp Daddy is an awesome name. I looked it up in the great Book of Awesomeness, and it appears anything involving imps is actually per definition awesome.

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

Care to explain on this one?

Yea, it was referring to the part I quoted before this particular sentence.

Artorius.Maximus · Apr 10, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

(Ps: I thought plotline and character development was the key to a successful RPG, not a blue bar that fills up)

At least now we know what your problem is, the successful RPG has many different colored bars that you fill as quickly as you can.

On a serious note, my main has Legendary Skill Hunter (or Elite Skill Hunter or whatever it is), at least 150 skill points, and I am not just going to go buy consumables with them for no reason. I do not need an experience title, I am quite certain that whatever they would choose I have either reached max level, or could easily reach within a month of casual play.

2nd, there are many accomplishments that are not easy (ok, with URSAN maybe they are easy) to put into your HoM. None of the legendary conqueror monuments are easy to obtain (prior to Ursanway at least). Legendary Guardian and Vanquisher titles are hard to obtain.

/notsigned

MithranArkanere · Apr 10, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

I meant SOLO farming.

You get thse points faster if you go in groups.

Fried Tech · Apr 10, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by Lexar

"Well definately not experience points because that's just silly and doesn't show anything really."

You answered your own question

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Because achieving a title is, well, an achievement, or at least a coherent activity you work towards. Lots of experience points just means you solo farm a lot, and oddly enough, there isn't a "epic number of smite crawlers killed" title.

Quoted for truth. After hitting level 20 there is no need to ever look at your XP again. Unless skill hunting, and you get a skill point for each elite skill you cap just about.

/notsigned

Lexar · Apr 10, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

A lot of people dismiss this idea because exp points are supposedly easy to get, but that seems somewhat weird because how exactly can you compare it to existing titles? I haven't even begun to mention possible tiers for exp titles, for all you know it could start at 5 million and the max could be 250 million. That's not easy at all. So really any mention of exp being easy get is nonsense, you're required to kill mobs just as you do with nearly all the titles EotN introduced. You can farm it solo and think you'd be farming it faster but I don't think so, 8 people working together are more than the sum of their parts and can ultimately kill more than 8 times faster.

If people would solo a particular spot over and over again, then that's their choice, isn't it? It doesn't hurt you, just as it doesn't hurt you that people seem to farm lightbringer and sunspear in the same exact spot over and over either. It's not different at all.

Honestly 1 million exp is small change if people would grind this for a title the way they grind norn or sunspear faction for titles. In fact now that I think about it, PVE skills based on your experience title would be pretty freaking sweet. Maybe I'll suggest that later in an equally engaging fashion.

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Originally Posted by Fried Tech

You answered your own question

Ah yes, the thing is, you might have missed it, but I was actually being sarcastic, because it's such a blatantly stupid thought, when you think about what the HoM stands for.

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Quoted for truth. After hitting level 20 there is no need to ever look at your XP again.

Yes and there is also no need to ever look at your minipets either or no reason to look at your drunkenness title bar, or even your vanquisher title bar.

Oops sorry for the double post, I thought I hit edit, didn't pay attention.

MithranArkanere · Apr 10, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

More than 'easy' counts the 'relative speed'.

A title for getting exp will favor only those that play solo in detriment of those that play in groups.

That is not something that will ever be trated in GW.

Lexar · Apr 10, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Well, with henchies and heroes everyone practically plays alone anyway so what's the difference if they take them or not.

Besides I disagree with you, as I said I think 8 people can gather more exp per hour because if they're good and complement each other they kill more than 8 times as fast as 1 person could.

Ekelon · Apr 10, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

It's sad how you can spend 4k for a minipet and throw it in your hall, I do agree with that.

But it's also sad how you can farm a multitude of experience points through 1 repetitive method while other people are gaining their experience through campaigning.

You seem like a hypocrite for suggesting a feature like this with those kinds of examples.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Apr 10, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by Lexar

You can farm it solo and think you'd be farming it faster but I don't think so, 8 people working together are more than the sum of their parts and can ultimately kill more than 8 times faster.

obviously you have never been hm raptor/boss/any speed farming have you.

1 skill point per 1 min run.

8 people trying to clear an area repeatedly for another e-peen title
i wonder who is going to win that one.
also more money is to be had going to solo and farming istead of trying to clear an area for the same title.

i win
kthxbye
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