Curse

Solas · Apr 12, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

This is NOT about a new method to gain points just a way to redeem points which you can't get jsut because you did other areas of EOTN first.

I just completed the NM dungeon book and realised i can't hand it inbecasue all 4 titles are R8, So i was thinking how about your allowed to hand in the NM book at Any Rank but once your past Rank 8 It only gives half the Faction Reward.
I.E. Nm book = 40k rep, after Rank 8 = 20k rep

becasue even as it is now you can't even get the Exp. or the money from the book,(It Doesn't bother me that much but its just laying there doing nothing but if i had done thinks in a differant order i'd have 40k rep,6k and a nice bit of exp.)
I didnt really even ffarm for the title jsut did the Vanq.'s on the rep weekends etc.

At the very least they could allow peopel to hand in the books with a no rep bonus, jsut for the exp. and the money.
Because lets face it no one would really farm books for money.

[edit]-added Bold and an extra bit below
This is Primarily jsut a use for NM books, it is not intended as/or a suitable form of farming rep, as it is slower then all other methods.
as i have show a few posts down it is easily outmatched by farming.

fearfactory · Apr 12, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45

normal mode books would be abused if this happened. Quests are not hard in Normal Mode, nor are dungeons. Easy to farm for money, so it won't happen.

Chthon · Apr 12, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by fearfactory

normal mode books would be abused if this happened. Quests are not hard in Normal Mode, nor are dungeons. Easy to farm for money, so it won't happen.

Then remove the money....

I think the real issue here is whether or not it's appropriate to force people to grind in hard mode to finish these titles.

MithranArkanere · Apr 12, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Actually is not like Finishing them.

At rank 8, it's like having attribute rank 12.
At rank 10 it's like having attribute rank 15.

So the HM ranks are like... +3 runes without -75hp.

I find more annoying not being able to give the book with other characters of the account when I don't need more points for any rank in the character that obtained it.

Solas · Apr 12, 2008, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by FearFactory

normal mode books would be abused if this happened. Quests are not hard in Normal Mode, nor are dungeons. Easy to farm for money, so it won't happen.

How could it be abused/Farmed?
Having all the pages would yeild 4k in nm in the mission book

considering it takes at elast around 2-4 hours to complete
you'd earn 1-2k and hour.
the dungeon book would yeild less money.

Sol Deathgard · Apr 13, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Chthon

I think the real issue here is whether or not it's appropriate to force people to grind in hard mode to finish these titles.

Those that WANT to finish those titles usually play hard mode more often then normal anyway so it's not a big deal to them. The ones that QQ about it are the ones that just want everything handed to them with no work.

Fear Me! · Apr 13, 2008, 05:26 AM // 05:26

/signed. I understand the OP's point;there are instances where you end up going over by a point or two into rank 8 and end up voiding an entire nm book. I suggest being able to turn in a nm book past r8, but obviously only once and within a certain range of say, 1k. So if you're rank 8 and have less than 1k points after rank 8, you should be allowed this one measure of assurance.

Steboy93 · Apr 13, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

/notsigned

This totally removes any challenge in maxing the title. Sure, HM books are still pretty easy even with h/h but it's much more challenging than NM.

Oh and btw, HM books only give 30k points.

RedStar · Apr 13, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

/notsigned

It's easy enough to do 3 books in HM and it almost takes the same amount of time.
What would be good is to be able to get the money + the exp, but not the rep lol.

ShadowStorm · Apr 13, 2008, 08:08 AM // 08:08

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I find more annoying not being able to give the book with other characters of the account when I don't need more points for any rank in the character that obtained it.

That would be a nice solution. After you hit rank 8 in any of the reputation tracks, you would be able to give your books to other characters on the same account.

Kook~NBK~ · Apr 13, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17

/notsigned.

It probably wouldn't even have been suggested it the OP had kept better track of his/her rep points and not wasted the effort on an extra book.

Solas · Apr 13, 2008, 11:17 AM // 11:17

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

It probably wouldn't even have been suggested it the OP had kept better track of his/her rep points and not wasted the effort on an extra book.

I agree because i wouldn't have know about it.
But the matter of book keeping records doesn't matter as i did Vanq. on the double rep weekend and had the vast majority on NM missions undone.
So just because idid things in a differant order does that mean i should miss out?
As in if i did HM missions Should i get no rewards for doing NM ones after that?(Very loose)

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This totally removes any challenge in maxing the title. Sure, HM books are still pretty easy even with h/h but it's much more challenging than NM.

Nm Mission book=20k (after rank 8 i said they should be halved so =10k)
takes around 2-4 hours to max a book so that is around 2.5k-5k rep and hour other farms can do that faster, norn,dwarf, asura may and wiki says ebon in sacroth valley.

While the NM mission book =40k ( halve it from r8) =20k
Since it takes around an hour a dungeon give or take,Roughly, thats around 16 and a half hours (snowman and frontis are short)
thats just more then 1k an hour in rep.

It's a small alternative that is outdone by farming and those that do HM books earn Three Times more

Maybe Only 1 NM Mission and Dungeon book can be turned in on each character to prevent it being redone.

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Oh and btw, HM books only give 30k points

I never mentioned Hm mission book in my OP as far as im aware.

tracco · Apr 13, 2008, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

/notsigned.

It probably wouldn't even have been suggested it the OP had kept better track of his/her rep points and not wasted the effort on an extra book.

But how about books from another character only give you half the reward?

My idea /signed.

Marverick · Apr 13, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Might as well /signed

HM books are still much more efficient for farming points.

Tarun · Apr 13, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48

/signed - gives then a use after r8

FoxBat · Apr 13, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Books aren't your only problem....notice the lack of NM bounties?

By design they require you to play hard mode to max. Sunspear/LB are handled the same.

Witchblade · Apr 13, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

/certainly not signed

it's fine as it is, the HM version of the quests isnt really much harder
also, you dont need tons of books to max a title.

anyway the nm books are a waste of time, just fill one for the Master of the North title then do only HM ones, bounties arent worth it either

if you can H/H a nm one, the HM wont be much of a problem either

Konig Des Todes · Apr 13, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

/notsigned, it works best with how it is. People need to learn how to stop QQing.

Solas · Apr 13, 2008, 07:15 PM // 19:15

The OP is about how after R8 books cannot be used on NM even if a NM book was even handed in, Just because of the Order somone did things means they are blocked from gained bonus from nm books.
I've done HM Missions and dungeons.

This is NOT about a new method to gain points just a way to redeem points which you can't get jsut because you did other areas of EOTN first.

Marverick · Apr 13, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

I think a better idea would be: you cannot obtain normal mode books after reaching r8. Also, you cannot have more than one book, to prevent stockpiling.

That way, if you accidentally surpassed r8, you can still hand it in. But you can't max the title without HM.