Curse

Bowstring Badass · Apr 20, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Which is why the critical strikes/defense A/D build needs to be nerfed... but thats another story.

As for strength, warriors are not supposed to have e management, and strength serves a warriors purpose just fine imo.

Wait what? No emanagment for wars? Then why are there zealous mods....

Anyway strength is fine as it is.

MsMassacre · Apr 20, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

When you consider that Good Builds can make almost every attack an attack skill, then strength equates to a free 13% armor penetration on every attack (or whatever your strength.) Even assuming only about 3/4 of your attacks are skills, with 13 strength that's still 10% armor penetration ALL THE TIME when averaged out.

That's pretty damn powerful.

But what if you're NOT using attack skills on almost every hit? That would be a Bad Build, and Strength will not avail you. It's like how energy storage suddenly becomes a bad attribute if you use a signet build, or how divine favor becomes a bad attribute if you use an-enemy targetting smite build, or fast casting becomes a bad attribute if you run a pure beasmaster mez. No attribute in the game can transform a bad build into a good one.

PS- Even if you could convince me Strength was lacking, the fixes you propose are many too twinky. 160 hps for free? 16% armor penetration on NORMAL ATTACKS? Why not just propose this; "For each pt of Strength, one nearby enemy per second dies suddenly of congenital heart failure and drops a rare minipet."

October Jade · Apr 20, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Assume 14 Swordsmanship/13 Strength and a customized, 15% always weapon. Accounting for the 19.6% critical rate, c-spacing yields these averages.

60AL: 31.0 dmg per attack
70AL: 26.1 dmg per attack
80AL: 22.0 dmg per attack

Note that armor bonuses (ex. innate +20 vs. physical) are regarded differently in damage calculations and irrelevant to penetration, so I didn't bother evaluating them. Read here for further information.

Now suppose that the 13%AP applies to normal attacks. The figures look like this.

60AL: 35.5 dmg per attack
70AL: 30.5 dmg per attack
80AL: 26.3 dmg per attack

The average of the margins is +4.43 damage.

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Originally Posted by MsMassacre

Even assuming only about 3/4 of your attacks are skills, with 13 strength that's still 10% armor penetration ALL THE TIME when averaged out.

Under these constraints, as well as constant Flail, one makes 0.281 normal attacks per second.

In terms of output, changing the attribute as I suggested grants a mere 1.24 additional DPS in this scenario. I don't think it would unbalance much of anything. Why not then make Strength function sensibly instead of being so arbitrary?

Savio · Apr 21, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Video games aren't based on sense. Why the hell doesn't my axe cut off limbs?

Teutonic Paladin · Apr 21, 2008, 01:43 AM // 01:43

DO NOT FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.

Please!

jhu · Apr 21, 2008, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by moriz

and have you ever considered how much DPS a warrior can do by just autoattacking with a permanent 13% AP?

please at least think a little about the consequences, before making inane comparisons.

damage from 13% ap isn't as much as you'd think

jhu · Apr 21, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

thatws why daggers are weak

critical strikes affects all weapons, not just daggers

FlamingMetroid · Apr 21, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by jhu

critical strikes affects all weapons, not just daggers

ensoriki's saying that because Critical Strikes affect all attacks, not just attack skills, the Assassin's class weapon has to be weaker balance-wise. Because Strength is so weak, it allows for Strength line skills to be more powerful and the Warrior class weapons to be better.

moriz · Apr 21, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by jhu

damage from 13% ap isn't as much as you'd think

it is still something, and that something is quite significant, especially over the course of a long battle.

warriors do enough damage as it is. there's no need to make them even stronger.

Trevor The Wave · Apr 21, 2008, 06:14 AM // 06:14

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

You are dumb if you think strength is underpowered. Almost as dumb as those people who think soul reaping is underpowered.

It gives you access to the most important stuff, like bulls, rush, flail.

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body blow
other strength shit