Curse

Navaros · May 01, 2006, 12:34 PM // 12:34

I just found out that the Survivor Title is only available to "newly created" characters.

That really really really really sucks!

What about players who already have a bunch of titles on their favorite character and want to get a survivor title on that character too? There is no reason why there shouldn't be able to!

Clearly Anet values players who keep their characters for a long time, that's why they give them Birthday presents.

In keeping with the spirit of "valuing old characters", please let them earn the Survivor Title if they have the skill to do so with their old characters!

Suggestions for implementing this into the game:

Make an NPC who you can pay a gold fee to in order for him to remove all deaths from your character and set you on the "Path of the Survivor" or what not. It doesn't even matter what the fee is, 50k, 100k, 300k - hey not only are you giving old characters what they want and need, you also just have a nifty major gold sink too!

Or, make the Survivor Title account-based so anyone who makes a new character and earns it that way can still slap the Title onto his old, favorite character too. Given the difficulty in achieving the Survivor Title, it is perfectly reasonable for it to be an account-based Title.

Bottom line: discriminating against old characters by denying them the right to achieve a Survivor Title is not fair, morally wrong, and a major frustration, so please fix it!

Dougal Kronik · May 01, 2006, 03:09 PM // 15:09

I don't think they should have anything in place to remove your number of deaths.

But if you have a character that has never died, then you should be able to have the Title "Survivor".

jules · May 01, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

It's going to be quite easy to earn the survivor title on old characters with power levelling and solo farming. Anet may have thought that this would make it too easy compared to achieving the title with a new character (especially with the tougher Canthan PvE missions)

Navaros · May 01, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

My character never died since the Survivor Title was implemented therefore he should be eligible to earn the title. Not discriminated against for being an old character.

If power levelling is a problem then Anet can nerf the way XP is earned to prevent power levelling. They did that in Diablo II. They can do it in Guild Wars too.

Worthington · May 01, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

changing the way exp is handled for an entire game seems a bit an of an over the top way to allow old toons to get a survivor title.

DFrost · May 01, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

If anything the title should be removed completely. We already have ragequitters, do we really need people that abort mission as soon as their health gets below 50% ?

Epinephrine · May 01, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Anyone can not die for that much experience at level 20. The task is to do it at low level, from creation to level 20. Nobody cares that your twinked out character can survive for a bit.

Really, given the game's design I think it's a rather worthless title. Anyone can get this title pretty much, since you get experience for the kills your party makes, so long as you are invovled. It will just encourage droppers and such. If people want it, make a hardcore server.

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Bottom line: discriminating against old characters by denying them the right to achieve a Survivor Title is not fair, morally wrong, and a major frustration, so please fix it!

Lol, do you even know what "moral" means? How is it unfair? To give an award for new characters who manage to get to level 20without dying is perfectly fair - they are rewarding the getting to level 20 without dying, something your existing character cannot do. What does morality have to do with it?

Scrap the title anyway, nothing good will come from it.

Badger2 · May 01, 2006, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by Navaros

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hey not only are you giving old characters what they want and need, you also just have a nifty major gold sink too!

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Bottom line: discriminating against old characters by denying them the right to achieve a Survivor Title is not fair, morally wrong, and a major frustration, so please fix it!

I didn't know this title existed until now so there is no wanting on my part. As for needing the title, ha, all it means is that you never die it doesn't say anything about you actually getting close enough to someone to get hurt and risk death.

As for your claim of discrimination, just because I have failed at capping a spider does this mean I am entitled to one even tho I have not earned one.

If you want the title, create a character and earn it.

Navaros · May 01, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Badger2

If you want the title, create a character and earn it.

I want to earn the title but I want to earn the title on my main character that I've invested countless hours into already. Not a new character that I would have no interest in making my main character.

If it's such a big a problem to earn the title starting at level 20, then Anet can implement a way to send my existing old character back to level 1 to get the XP again. However, once the title is achieved I should get all my armor/weapons/skills acquired/ other stuff for that character/ back instead of having to spend hundreds and hundreds of hours getting that stuff again.

Or, just make it an account-based title. That works just as well and wouldn't take any dev time at all.

Raiin Maker · May 01, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

to get the title you do you need to be level 20 with 0 deaths?

Navaros · May 01, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Badger2

As for your claim of discrimination, just because I have failed at capping a spider does this mean I am entitled to one even tho I have not earned one.

An invalid comparison. I did not "fail" at earning the Survivor Title by dying before it existed. Most of my deaths are due to one guy dropping at the start or someone is missing a skill, and then we all decide "let's everybody die so we can start again". Had the Survivor Title existed at that time, then obviously those deaths would not be on my character's death record, and I would have been much more careful in general gameplay too. Hence the concept of "failure" cannot be applied to this situation.

This is discrimination because it is penalizing the old characters from having an equal opportunity to earn the title.

Badger2 · May 01, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Make an NPC who you can pay a gold fee to in order for him to remove all deaths from your character and set you on the "Path of the Survivor" or what not. It doesn't even matter what the fee is, 50k, 100k, 300k - hey not only are you giving old characters what they want and need, you also just have a nifty major gold sink too!

If I don't have the required fee, will I be discreminated against? No. It's because I don't meet the requirement of paying the specified fee. Just like a character that dies, even those that existed before this title was available, does not meet the requirement of not dying.

Because I didn't start playing until a few months ago I can't give specifics on what follows. As I understand it, there are things available now that were not available when the game was first released. Instead of makeing everyone replay missions/quests inorder to obtain those new items why not automatically give the "new item" to those who previously played those same mission/quests.

Tarun · May 01, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

/signed

Scown-dog · May 01, 2006, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Man this is terrible. I also wanted my main char of 11 months to attain this title.

Aki Soyokaze · May 01, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Navaros

An invalid comparison. I did not "fail" at earning the Survivor Title by dying before it existed. Most of my deaths are due to one guy dropping at the start or someone is missing a skill, and then we all decide "let's everybody die so we can start again". Had the Survivor Title existed at that time, then obviously those deaths would not be on my character's death record, and I would have been much more careful in general gameplay too. Hence the concept of "failure" cannot be applied to this situation.

This is discrimination because it is penalizing the old characters from having an equal opportunity to earn the title.

Well then perhaps anet should just wipe all the uncovered areas for all Tyrian Characters and make them all start out at 0%; since that would discriminate against the new characters that are created and make them have to uncover areas that everyone else has already uncovered. Perhaps all the elites should be removed from our skill list, not to mention mission/bonus completes. Your arguement for having your deaths wiped and allowing you to be given a 'survivor' title is completely baseless; since there wasn't any motivation to uncover all of the maps, finish all the missions/bonus', gain as many elites as possible, etc. then those people didn't truely 'earn' their titles either.

The fact is you did not set a goal for yourself not to die, despite the fact that deaths are counted. Thus you did not earn a 'survivor' title, because as you've already stated "Most of my deaths are due to one guy dropping at the start or someone is missing a skill, and then we all decide "let's everybody die so we can start again"." You made a choice to incur a death and have that counted against you; which is infact even worse than dying while on a mission/quest, since you knowingly killed yourself for no reason other than to start over.

I, on the otherhand, decided to play through the game and finish it without dying and only using henchmen. And if you don't like the fact that you can't get that title anymore then too bad. Asking for deaths to be removed so that you can have that title that would discriminate against everyone who either has or has tried to play through the game without dying.

/not signed

Navaros · May 01, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Aki Soyokaze

Asking for deaths to be removed so that you can have that title that would discriminate against everyone who either has or has tried to play through the game without dying.

It's not a matter of "remove my deaths and give me the title". Rather it is a matter of "remove my deaths and give me a fair and equal opportunity to earn the title on my main character."

I am quite willing to play through the game again to earn it on my main character. That's not a problem.

The problem is that Anet has provided no outlet to do this and the title is not account-based so I can't get it on my main character that way either.

Hence it needs to be fixed by action on the part of Anet.

Dr Ripley · May 01, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

I've been hearing and reading about another title that involves gaining 600,000xp without dying once. That title has 55hp written all over it, but at least it can be obtained by a pre-existing character. Can someone confirm whether this exists?

Aki Soyokaze · May 01, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Indomitable Survivor 587,500xp without dying.

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Originally Posted by Navaros

It's not a matter of "remove my deaths and give me the title". Rather it is a matter of "remove my deaths and give me a fair and equal opportunity to earn the title on my main character."

I am quite willing to play through the game again to earn it on my main character. That's not a problem.

The problem is that Anet has provided no outlet to do this and the title is not account-based so I can't get it on my main character that way either.

Hence it needs to be fixed by action on the part of Anet.

Then tell me how this is either 'earning' your title or any different from starting a new character?

You have your deaths erased and 'boom' you instantly get your title. Even though you've already died and you don't deserve to get it in the first place. You already have the xp from being able to play through the game and finish all the quests. Even though you more than likely did die in a 'non-suicide' attempt, like you claim most of your deaths are.

Or if you're willing to start over and actually earn it, then tell me how that's any different than deleting your current character and making a new one with the same name. Is it because you'll lose all the hours you had on that character? If so that just raises more questions. Like why would having X amount of age be more important than having 0 Deaths?

And furthermore what exactly will you say to the people who actually 'earned' their title? Are you going to say "Too bad I want a right to earn that title, even though I don't deserve it because I already had the chance to earn it but decided to kill msyelf because someone in my party forgot a skill"?

Eadric · May 01, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by Navaros

An invalid comparison. I did not "fail" at earning the Survivor Title by dying before it existed. Most of my deaths are due to one guy dropping at the start or someone is missing a skill, and then we all decide "let's everybody die so we can start again". Had the Survivor Title existed at that time, then obviously those deaths would not be on my character's death record, and I would have been much more careful in general gameplay too. Hence the concept of "failure" cannot be applied to this situation.

This is discrimination because it is penalizing the old characters from having an equal opportunity to earn the title.

Do I understand you correctly? You did not "fail" at earning the title by dying before it existed but yet you expect to be given something that did not exist when you started your main (first?) character.

Your logic escapes me.

Navaros · May 02, 2006, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by Aki Soyokaze

Then tell me how this is either 'earning' your title or any different from starting a new character?

You have your deaths erased and 'boom' you instantly get your title. Even though you've already died and you don't deserve to get it in the first place. You already have the xp from being able to play through the game and finish all the quests. Even though you more than likely did die in a 'non-suicide' attempt, like you claim most of your deaths are.

Or if you're willing to start over and actually earn it, then tell me how that's any different than deleting your current character and making a new one with the same name. Is it because you'll lose all the hours you had on that character? If so that just raises more questions. Like why would having X amount of age be more important than having 0 Deaths?

And furthermore what exactly will you say to the people who actually 'earned' their title? Are you going to say "Too bad I want a right to earn that title, even though I don't deserve it because I already had the chance to earn it but decided to kill msyelf because someone in my party forgot a skill"?

How is it different from deleting my character?! Are you kidding me? I had my main character for 11 months. I got very expensive armor and weapons customized for it. I spent a whole whackload of gold on all that. I spent much time capturing skills all over the place for it. I got unique customized items for it like Halloween items. Should I have to give up all that history, time, energy, skill and gold investment in acquiring all these things just so my main character can have a fair and equal opportunity to get the Survivor Title? No. I should not. That is not fair, and the notion that players should be forced to do so is ludicrous.

I also don't wanna forsake my Birthday present or my two years Birthday present.

Again, statements like "you decided to kill yourself before the Title existed therefore you should be ineligible to get it on your main character" are also ridiculous. It didn't exist, therefore there was no way to know I would later, in the distant future, be penalized for killing myself or being careless in gameplay. Therefore holding that against a player and discriminating against old characters in that way is morally wrong.