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Pesi · Jun 15, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

that would make actually clearing the UW with a real team much harder than it already is.

that was a joke right???

noone do it with a normal team

Chthon · Jun 15, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

First of all i would like no negative criticism on this proposal of all the Perma sin farmers here, i have been doing it myself but this madness has to stop before the economy takes another enormous hit

Too bad. You can't insulate your idea from criticism by asking that we don't criticize it. There's no validity to this chicken-little idea that the entire economy is going to collapse because more people can farm a run that averages ~5 ectos instead of one that averages ~2. At the very worst, it's going to drive down ecto prices, but so what? You just mark up your 100k+10e item to 100k+30e and go on as normal. Moreover, I don't think ectos are really going to fall either, or, if they do fall, it will be because of a crisis of confidence fed by panicky threads like this rather than actual economic forces. After 3 years of farming and hoarding, the supply is already so big that the extra ectos coming in from this farm change its overall size very, very little.

/not signed

Lourens · Jun 15, 2008, 06:44 PM // 18:44

yes [Signet of Disenchantment] would be the best option doesnt make UW much harder

Sypherious · Jun 15, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

the "you're jealous" blame is as old as the street
i farm more then just ectos with my sin and i'm not a greedy f*ck like some other people that made sins just for this
but someone who worked for his fow armor is gonna see his armor devaluate with like 500k with this farm

500k? Ummmm......Ectos have always been 4.7k - 5k and will always be 4.7k - 5k. Since the SF buff, I haven't noticed the slightest change in ecto prices.

500k? Yea more like 100g.

N1ghtstalker · Jun 15, 2008, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Sypherious

500k? Ummmm......Ectos have always been 4.7k - 5k and will always be 4.7k - 5k. Since the SF buff, I haven't noticed the slightest change in ecto prices.

500k? Yea more like 100g.

no, the challenge of getting is gone, you just have to farm the ectos and done
i got my fow with the VwK smite run, no super megadrops and i was happy with just one ecto
now people are all complaining about not having 5 ectos in one run
it crazes the people onto greed and this is a teamgame but now people are all like "NO MY ECTO!"
it's just pure paranoia and some people would agree if i said we have to put the "Elite" back in the Underworld

BlackSephir · Jun 15, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

farm the ectos and done
i got my fow with the VwK smite run

Shit, and no "nerf VwK farm build" threads yet, crazy world, eh?

Cale Roughstar · Jun 15, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Sypherious

500k? Ummmm......Ectos have always been 4.7k - 5k and will always be 4.7k - 5k. Since the SF buff, I haven't noticed the slightest change in ecto prices.

500k? Yea more like 100g.

Truth be told, ecto prices are falling fairly fast in the past few days. It is not uncommon at all to see wts 22 for 100k, and I have even seen a few wts 23 for 100k. Prices will continue to fall until favour runs out, at which point they will return to their current state.

joshuarodger · Jun 15, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Pesi

that was a joke right???

noone do it with a normal team

maybe you and your guild are 1234 button mashers, but mine isn't. sure i've done ursan before, but it's mor fun and challenging not to.

rick1027 · Jun 15, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by Pesi

that was a joke right???

noone do it with a normal team

i do it with a normal quite often i prefer normal team rather then farming it. i get more enjoyment out of it

blackknight1337 · Jun 15, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

Hi,

First of all i would like no negative criticism on this proposal of all the Perma sin farmers here, i have been doing it myself but this madness has to stop before the economy takes another enormous hit

as many of you know the perma sin has been farming the UW like crazy and people do it all the time, now i've been checking some skill lists and found some skills to buff the Mindblade Spectres that are being farmed on the Chaos Planes without violating the Core of the UW

so here is my suggestion
add [signet of humility] or [blackout] to the Mindblade spectres their skillbar
this would just nerf the farm and not directly ruin the perma sin so people can still farm with their loved perma sin on places other then the Chaos Planes

Thank you for reading and i hope to see some good comments on this

Alastor The Undead

I'll show some restraint I guess, and not flame the hell out of you.

For starters, I made a sin when the farm came out, and farmed a good few ecto, sold them, maxed my storage with ecto to spare, and all that good stuff.

I havent' done a run in like a week. Its boring after a while, and the drops are rather random....and I don't really need the cash that bad to start with.

That said, do you realize what your post sounds like? Something like this.

Hi there, I've made all the money i want from this farm, now lets nerf it so the newbs can't have it so easy. So lets puts some skills in to make it unfarmable by that build.

You only further that appearance by stating that "people would lose the value of the fow they'd worked for". Guess what, so many items in the game have had that done to them. Colossal scimitars, ele swords, dwarven axes, the list goes on. This isn't rocket science. And furthermore, any value to be had in the game is completely independent of how much it costs in gw gold. If you feel an accomplishment in getting fow armor, its because you spent the time and effort to gain the armor. NOT because it cost 100k or 50 million. There was once a time where I could not fathom having enough money to max storage.

Now I've that, and weapons/armor to spare. It wasn't terribly easy to start off, but if its something you really want, you'll put the time in to get it. How much its worth to joe down the street is irrelevant.

People need to stop these posts. Anet is aware of what is happening, arguably they knew about it when they buffed shadow form. The OP's in these threads appear as idiots who either are jealous, or have lots of money to lose if ecto prices go down.

Leave the dead horse alone, you guys ran this into the ground a couple days after the skill change.

Lest121 · Jun 15, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar

Truth be told, ecto prices are falling fairly fast in the past few days. It is not uncommon at all to see wts 22 for 100k, and I have even seen a few wts 23 for 100k. Prices will continue to fall until favour runs out, at which point they will return to their current state.

Bingo......... SF won't destroy the economy, the fact that we have easy access to UW is lowering the prices, and over flooding the market with Ectos, once Favor runs out it will be a different story.

PS:Just like to add SF farmers don't farm ectos to hold on to them they farm it to spend it, this is game money i don't hold on to my money to say look at me i am rich? i just bought my first set of Tormented weapons because of this farm, and will attempt to get 2 more tormented weapons.

English Warrior · Jun 15, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31

How would Signet of Disenchantment do anything just drains the dream rider of energy and u just use shadow refuge(or quick recharged enchant) every so ever.
personally i use A/Me and i could just keep Ignorance up on the dream rider...

Ate of DK · Jun 15, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

QQ-ing about Ecto-farming is the thing to do these days.

When they decide to nerf Chaos Plane farming then they should nerf ALL farming spots with it. The GW economy will be healthy again, according to the pro's here.

After this anti solo-farming update you'll see no more people in many outposts. All those farmers might quit and all you'll find are some new players who haven't got a clue what they can do in ToA and some LeeT-farmers with a bear-skill on their bars.

Kanyatta · Jun 15, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by RotteN

So what if stuff gets cheaper ? imo that's a good change.

I'm assuming you've never taken a high-school level Economy class.

Golgotha · Jun 15, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Ecto is about the same price at the merchant as it was a week for the buff. I see no problem here. Since it takes 75 ecto for chaos gloves and 105 for FoW armor, there won't be many more ectos floating around than usual as they're usually consumed for these purposes. I don't see their price being hit very much at all.

Kanyatta · Jun 16, 2008, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by Sypherious

Ectos have always been 4.7k - 5k and will always be 4.7k - 5k

There's no way you've been playing longer than a year.

I remember back when ecto was around 7k ea not long before EoTN, and FOW armor still meant nothing, because if you saw it, there was a 70% chance it was eBay'd, and the fact still remains today.

This idea wouldn't improve the value of ectos that much, but its a small step to start us off. Although, I can't see any plausible way to just end solo/dual farming altogether, which may bring the economy back into balance eventually. Although it could all be a lost cause.

Lothlorian Sassun · Jun 16, 2008, 12:31 AM // 00:31

/notsigned

Every time something happens that people actually like posters scream for the nerf bat.

Seeing as the OP is running Perma Sin now and has loaded up his stack of Ecto he wants it nerfed so said stack will become more valuable. The Ecto Market crashed along time ago and will never be what it was. Ecto Prices still seem to be steady even after the buff to PvE Shadow Form. Not like when Hard Mode was introduced and Ecto took a nose dive from 11K to its current value.

Farming Ecto has always been in the game and it always will. No need to nerf.

Sypherious · Jun 16, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

There's no way you've been playing longer than a year.

I remember back when ecto was around 7k ea not long before EoTN, and FOW armor still meant nothing, because if you saw it, there was a 70% chance it was eBay'd, and the fact still remains today.

This idea wouldn't improve the value of ectos that much, but its a small step to start us off. Although, I can't see any plausible way to just end solo/dual farming altogether, which may bring the economy back into balance eventually. Although it could all be a lost cause.

26 months, lol, maybe its because i didnt start farming ectos until like 6 months in.

luminoire · Jun 16, 2008, 06:00 AM // 06:00

lol, people seem to hold this illusion that saying "i use it too" makes their post somehow more legitimate than all the other QQ threads out there.

like, WOAH you farm with perma sf AND still want the farm to be nerfed?
for the good of the economy?
how very altruistic!!11!!

not.

scrawlerthebrave · Jun 16, 2008, 08:43 AM // 08:43

I've got an assassin called "Ss Heretic" wich is about 1.5 years with the title "I Am Very Important". It's the only character I'm really playing in GW.

Problem:

1. people don't want the economy to be ruined by "perma sin farming all ecto's out of UW".
2. people who don't have factions are jealous.
3. Non Perma Sin farmers are jealous.
4. Averyone checking out this threat is: 1. hoping that SF will be nerfed. or 2. hoping that SF will not be nerfed. or 3. hoping that these discussions will end soon.

Some Facts

1. People have and will always be farming in UW especially for ecto's. The economy is based on what we do, sell, buy. And what's popular. People will always find a "better" and "faster" ways to farm. But now that most people have got an assassin in ToA, they will also try to find a new way to farm Ecto's in UW if SF is nerfed. (I have no idea what devs are going to do so let's just say SF is nerfed now

All the assassins will use A/Me to farm thesame ecto's. And If SF is nerfed too much: the skill will be totally useless, and thats not what the devs want.
2. People who don't have factions. They will have to buy factions or stop moaning or continue moaning. Nothing will make a difference.
3. People without a SF sin: thesame thing, but they may be able to make one themselves. Not making any difference aswell.
4. Everyone checking this threat: people are hoping that SF will get nerfed, well that wont stop the Ecto farmers. Now that all "beginner ecto farmers" have tasted the money they will try to find other ways to farm.
Players hoping that SF will not get nerfed. I totally agree. Assassins were never really able to farm anything but... greens. Assassins are now in balance with other proffessions. Just like the assassin the mesmer might be able to farm with SF now aswell. I don't think that should be a problem in PvE at all. And for people who are here to end this discussion?...

I think N1ghtstalker has a really good solution here.

Give the mindblades some good anti SF skill. -> Assassins wont farm chaos plaines -> SF wont get nerfed. -> Everybody = happy.

Or at least we should be. I think gw is nice just the way it is now. But N1ghtstalker's got a point. And at least these discussions will end.

EDIT: I'm Dutch so my English micht bee hart too reed.