Curse

Being · Jun 13, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

all enemies in UW have core skills

Nope. Mindblades have Migraine and Power Leak, Terrorwebs have Meteor Shower, Lava Font and Mark of Rodgort. Charged Blackness have Shock and Whirlwind....etc

All those are Prophecies skills.

SF does need a nerf - because its just a joke.

The Red Messenger · Jun 13, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

i want to see PVE go in one of 2 directions:

1 - fix the imbalanced skills, overly abused ones and restore balance to the game

or

2 - make each class overpowered in its own right. sin has SF. Ele has ether renewal. imbagons have imbagon. lets buff other stuff for every pve so any class can get godmode without breaking out the ursan + cons.

i think ranger needs a godmode next...

Tyla · Jun 13, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Nerf Ursan first and then we can talk.

Stockholm · Jun 13, 2008, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Nerf Ursan first and then we can talk.

Not happening, and neither is a SF nerf.
A-Net have finally decided to let the majority of players enjoy the WHOLE game, so get used to more and more Uber Skills in PvE. You can either bitch on forums or go and play the game, they don't give a sh_t.

Killed u man · Jun 13, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

As much as like to see a balanced game, the feeling you get solo-ing 50+ Mindblade Spectres at a time is insane.

A game is supposed to be fun, PvE was never more to me then some title grinding and or money/farming.

Now, that has changed. The feeling U get, when you're running around in the absolute Godmode is insane. THIS IS what PvE should be. I did, on my own, what 8 people more often than not can't do: Walk across the intire UW, saying "fcuk you" to all the creatures that comes near, and then farming them for some Ecto's.

No, don't nerf SF, buff other sheit, that's why Anet splitted PvE/PvP in the first place no?

Tyla · Jun 13, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

Not happening, and neither is a SF nerf.
A-Net have finally decided to let the majority of players enjoy the WHOLE game, so get used to more and more Uber Skills in PvE. You can either bitch on forums or go and play the game, they don't give a sh_t.

Congratulations for stating the obvious. Carebears ftw.

ShadowsRequiem · Jun 13, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Someone made a really good point in my alliance. They said that anet won't nerf shadow form because it is a way for people to farm and max out their HoMs. Thus making them want to buy GW2 even more :P

I don't think it will get nerfed.

Ate of DK · Jun 13, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by luwe80

Please STFU. I do know what I'm talking about. See the part about Shock and Whirlwind. The question part of my post might not directly apply to the OP but it applies to the way SF works.

My post informs the OP about SF and also tries to ask more questions about SF. Your post is a childish attempt to start a flame war, boy. Also, the OP does not mention "solo-farm build" he mentions SF being godmode. Please do not post if you do not know what YOU are talking about.

Interesting that everyone discusses about the solofarm build then.

Please pick your words with more care, your post is a bit insulting.

Onyx Blindbow · Jun 13, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

LMAO

Has perma-sf sin become the new ursan? (meaning is it the next thing we are going to see hundreds of similar threads all basically QQ-ing about an overpowered skill in PvE)

Let's be honest, GW1 is on it's final lap and GW2 is about to pick-up the baton and run onwards, who honestly cares about PvE imbalance anymore.

Before perma-sf or Ursan is nerfed a HUUGE step back needs to be taken and nerf 55 builds (both monk and necro), then onto terra tank warrior, about 15 different ele farming builds, 330 rit and the list continues, why should all these be nerfed?? because of the "GODMODE" that they grant, 55 monk has been in the game literally since day 1 (even better thay have just rebuffed this old farming build with the buffed mystic regen lol) so there is 3 years of past nerf-age (a word ???) before we even hit ursan or the re-buffed perma-sf

I will say similar to what I have said in the past, ppl will continue to whine about certain skills or certain skill bars regardless what nerf's/buffs are implemented, when will you be happy? when we all have no skills,weapons etc... and just hit each other with pointy sticks?

it boils down to 1 simple thing, if you don't like it then don't use it, but stop whining when other people do use it.

luwe80 · Jun 13, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

Interesting that everyone discusses about the solofarm build then.

Please pick your words with more care, your post is a bit insulting.

You mean my post to OP? Maybe a bit. But he wants to change SF yet he doesn't use it! I don't use Ursan and I'll never complain about it because it doesn't affect me, I don't care about it. It's like, if you don't watch "Married With Children" because you don't like it but still write to FOX or whoever to get it taken off air. Did you think that other people might watch the show and like it, and you're ruining their fun? That's why I got annoyed and wasn't all nicey, nicey to the OP. He has a problem with me having fun!

MithranArkanere · Jun 13, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

There is not such a thing as 'balance' in PvE.

Only 'limitation of the excess'.

IF SF is excessive, then sooner or later they will nerf it... sooner... or LAAATER... XDDD.

You can farm many places being completely immune with Monks and Elementalists. Why not with assassins?
It's not like you can go even to enchant removing areas unlike them. Anywhere Obsidian Flesh would be removed, Shadow Form will be removed too.

Sora267 · Jun 13, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by Chthon

1. Hey, NEWSFLASH: Perma SF farming chaos plains was already possible with A/Me before the SF buff.

2. Make an assassin if you're jealous.

3. Why, yes, I am planning on using all those ectos to make armor and chaos gloves. No, it wouldn't bother me if I went into RA and saw other people with the same gear. I choose my gear because I like the way it looks, not because I want other people to be impressed by it.

4. No, I'm not jealous that people are getting cool items out of this. I'm getting them too. Everyone wins.

5. Now, if I have one objection to the SF buff, it's that it dumbs down farming. I'd much rather see a build like terra or, even 55-SB, that builds up its invincibility from numerous components rather than one skill that makes you invincible, and a couple of skills to speed its recharge.

6. But you're not making that objection. All I here from you is the "wah wah wah" of someone expressing the "pathetic elitist sentiment." You want a-net to nerf the other players so that they can never acquire the "leet" items/armor/ecto stacks/whatever that make you feel special and superior because you have them and they don't... yet. I've got zero sympathy for that.

I agree wholeheartedly. /notsigned to the OP.

Yawgmoth · Jun 14, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

/signed wholeheartedly

imbalanced skills should be nerfed in both PvP and PvE, for the health and integrity of the game as a whole, to prevent degenerate playstyles. There are more skills than just SF that deserve a nerfbat hit in PvE. And nerfing specific farm spots instead of imba skills isn't the way to go - imba skills can lead to different locations abuse just aswell.

SF should have a line added "This skill is disabled for 60 seconds", and duration should be like it was before the recent buff.

*It was still an awesome powerfull and highly uselful skill* and it would remain that. But balanced.

No skill that's so godly powerful should be possible to be maintained 24/7, there should be downtimes. Obsidian Flesh would probably need a similar nerf aswell, although it's nowhere near SF overpowered level (it's Very Slow and has many more counters)

Axel Zinfandel · Jun 14, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

SF, despite popular belief, did not open any new doors. Everything a SF sin can do could be accomplished before, but with different professions and skills. The buff just made farming and running easier and more readily accessible to others. Sure, you could probably beat some areas (storyline) of PvE with a SF sin alone, but who would honestly want to? If you want a single player game, you wouldn't have bought a MMO.

Narcissia · Jun 14, 2008, 12:51 AM // 00:51

/not signed

sick of hearing about this. like anet cares that YOU want it nerfed or dont want it nerfed. they do what THEY want. soo threads like this r pointless

whether they nerf it or not, it wont be bcuz u wanted it to be

Turtle222 · Jun 14, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

/requestlock

We've seen enough bashing. Just end his misery

Riceboi · Jun 14, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Get used to it. And I'm more than willing to bet more IMBA buffs to be rolled out in the future on PvE Split skills.

It's the wave of the futer to make the game beyond easy so people keep playing. It's like this, ANet will and no new content, so they are "reinventing" the old content. People that were never hard core famers and never had nice stuff or never did elite misssions due to difficulry will be able to do those sorts of things now and even more so in the future as more buff are rolled out.

Prior to Ursan how many people had done full UW clears? See no new content, but make old content more accessable and therefore hold the interest of players.

Ursan
Consumables
Shadow Form
Level 10's to EOTN
Big fat end chests in FoW/UW
IMBA PvE Only Skills

The changes keep coming to make old stuff more appealing.

Exactly. Now I'm just waiting for them to remove the minion limit next. =)

Koricen · Jun 14, 2008, 06:55 AM // 06:55

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Originally Posted by Riceboi

Exactly. Now I'm just waiting for them to remove the minion limit next. =)

I'm waiting for the un-nerf of [Spirit Bond]. Come on Anet, you know you want to.

Narcissia · Jun 14, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Prior to Ursan how many people had done full UW clears? See no new content, but make old content more accessable and therefore hold the interest of players.

Ursan
Consumables
Shadow Form
Level 10's to EOTN
Big fat end chests in FoW/UW
IMBA PvE Only Skills

The changes keep coming to make old stuff more appealing.

im sure people wouldve done fow/uw clears if there was a reason. before HoM, EoTN, and ursan. there was no reason. no statue in the HoM, no end chest.
but i do agree with u that thats probably why they add things like this. to make old stuff more appealing.

also, i still stand by my idea that things like ursan and SF shouldnt bother ppl. if u dont like them? dont use it. hows it effecting u if more ppl farm ectos? the price of ecto isnt getting effected much at all. which is probably why anet hasnt touched it.

beaverlegions · Jun 14, 2008, 08:46 AM // 08:46

The best thing a net could do is revert skill abck to they pre eotn state and make the eotn pve skills only useable in they home territory and maybe home dungeons too (maybe)
/signed and boosted
but anet will never do it kauz the noobs would start whining