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Raffine · Sep 11, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

1.)Monument of Fellowship (heroes/pets)

Only heroes with ascended (changed) armor can be displayed. Some people prefer a hero's starter armor over the upgrades. And some heroes can only have new armor from the harder challenge missions, which are also more expensive.
Only the black moa, black widow, and phoenix pets are displayed as their own statue and labeled as what they are. All others are displayed as a statue with a wolf, bear, and lynx labeled Animal Companion.
You can only have 5 statues at a time, but you can't pick exactly which 5 when you rearrange them. It's always random.

1) You can still switch the hero back to it's starter armor after upgrading it. If anything, I think they should let us choose what hero armor we want to display.
2)No comment, really..
3)Yeah, this should be changed.

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

2.)Monument of Valor (weapons)

Only high end weapons obtained from GWEN can be added. This does not include end game weapons, and even some golds can't be added. It's only Destroyer ones, and they customize to your character, without the added 20% damage bonus that other customized weapons do. And they all have the same inscription "Strength and Honor, damge +15% while health above 50%) and I don't know that they can be changed. Plus they're gonna be pricey, as they take 5k alone to make, plus 10 onyx gemstones and 10 diamonds. The others are common materials.

The 20% damage bug was supposedly fixed.
Of course they're going to be pricey...it's like the Tormented set of GWEN, just less expensive.
I agree that some gold skins, and perhaps greens should be added, though.

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3.)Monument of Honor (titles)

Only maxed out titles can be displayed. Not everyone wants to grind to get max titles. And the Survivor one? It's hard to become Legendary Survivor. I've seen very few people with that title. Norn/Asura/Agent titles? They only give rep points one at a time for each creature slain. That could take forever...
PVP-only titles have to be a certain rank (I believe rank 8 for hero, rank 3 for others) before they're displayed at all.

This is fine. If you want a title, you have to work for it. And...you make farming GWEN titles seem much harder then it actually is.

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4.)Monument of Resilience (armor)

Not that big of a problem, but only high-end/elite armor can be displayed. This includes Marhan's Grotto, Granite Citadel, Vabbian, Elite Sunspear, Elite Kurzick/Luxon, Ancient, Primeval, and Imperial (end game Factions). Sounds like a lot of choices, but the prices are high for some people. And some may be content with just the "low-end" armor.

Once again, this is fine. If people are content with low end armor...they can still get a elite set for the hall if they really want one.
I wish we could mix and match 'em, though..

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5.)Monument of Devotion (mini pets)

Any mini pet can be added, but it's automatically customized to the character that added it. It should be account-wide, not character-based.

I'd settle for a Festival Hat NPC sort of thing...but for minis.

One thing I'd like to add:
Kinda wish the hall was account based...
With about 10 characters, I'm going to have alot of half-empty halls. XD

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Sep 11, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

I totally disagree with most of what you have said.... This is the Hall of MONUMENTS! Not the Hall of mediocre-at-best-achievements. I think most of the player base doesn't really realize that the HoM is to reward players for time spent and attaining goals, not just for owning a game. PLEASE read further:

Monument of Fellowship (heroes/pets)
-The upgraded armor may be more expensive if you plan on buying WHICH IS GOOD. Either you spend the time in the challenge mission if you dont have the gold to buy it or you spend the gold that you have spent time getting to buy it.
-As far as pets I personally feel that ONLY the Black Widow should be displayed. It is by far the most difficult pet to obtain and therefore more than any other pet shows a "monumental" achievement.

Monument of Valor (weapons)
-I actually agree with the OP more on this than any other point he/she attempted to make, but I still largely disagree. Destroyer weapons only is a bad idea seeing as other weapons in the game are more difficult to obtain and in many cases cost more. For these reasons I personally believe that to show true "monumental" achievement the following weapons should be added: Tormented (As they cost roughly 5 times more than destroyer weapons and going by the quests they are at least 5 time more difficult to obtain if you were to earn them through play, making them THE elite PvE weapons). To this I would also add weapons that are ONLY available to HA only drops that are max damage and at least req9 (this including elite PvP as well, perhaps more HA only drops should be added so that there are weapons of each class/type that drop only in HA). This would accomplish an attainable goal for the general populace (destroyer weapons), recognition for elite PvE (Tormented weapons), and recognition for elite PVP (HA only weapons). This would provide the most reasonable "monumental" weapon achievement.

Monument of Honor (titles)
-Is fine imo (the op wants to drop the standard below max title, but whats monumental about being 1/2 of anything?!).

Monument of Resilience (armor)
-Is fine imo (the op wants to drop the standard below "elite" armor... but whats monumental about something i can pay a ~6k run from Ascalon to Droks and craft for a total of about 5k?.... nothing).

Monument of Devotion (mini pets)
-Should probably be account customizable.... but really whats "monumental" about a minipet anyway?!

Dryndalyn · Sep 11, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak

Huge blocks of bold text makes my eyes hurt.

/notread

Honestly, I'm not to fond of it either, but I am new to forums and there was no option to change the color of what I said and I don't know how to do it like how Gonzo did it. But I think that I have figured it out now - how I could have written it using lots of quotes, that is, instead of using the bold.

Sammy Darvanian · Sep 11, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

I partly agree and partly disagree... I think some people are forgetting that HoM features will be used in GW2 and we don't have much of an idea about how that'll happen. Maybe we'll all go /doh when we find out how things work later. ^^'

Plus, won't we be able to pass on our 'legacy' to the children/grandchildren/greatgrandchildren of our characters? It'd be strange if the HoM is account-based then, as then you couldn't pass things on to offspring of a specific character.

I'm probably biased as I have one main character though... But here's my opinion:

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

1.)Monument of Fellowship (heroes/pets)

Only heroes with ascended (changed) armor can be displayed. Some people prefer a hero's starter armor over the upgrades. And some heroes can only have new armor from the harder challenge missions, which are also more expensive.
Only the black moa, black widow, and phoenix pets are displayed as their own statue and labeled as what they are. All others are displayed as a statue with a wolf, bear, and lynx labeled Animal Companion.
You can only have 5 statues at a time, but you can't pick exactly which 5 when you rearrange them. It's always random.

I agree on the rearranging part, and I'd like to be able to display my heroes without having to either buy armour parts or to try to get through an elite dungeon I probably won't be able to finish. But HoM IS about prestige and accomplishments rather than just storing whatever you want... And armour remnants are relatively hard to get, aswell as the pets you mentioned. Anyone can run out of an outpost and cap some random creature, getting a black moa or a black widow or phoenix is a bit more difficult (yes, I know some consider getting these easy too.) and it takes more time.

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

2.)Monument of Valor (weapons)

Only high end weapons obtained from GWEN can be added. This does not include end game weapons, and even some golds can't be added. It's only Destroyer ones, and they customize to your character, without the added 20% damage bonus that other customized weapons do. And they all have the same inscription "Strength and Honor, damge +15% while health above 50%) and I don't know that they can be changed. Plus they're gonna be pricey, as they take 5k alone to make, plus 10 onyx gemstones and 10 diamonds. The others are common materials.

I couldn't agree more. I can't count the times I farmed (or tried to farm) greens for my characters. I have quite a collection on my mesmer so I'd love to show them off. There's not much prestige or effort in CRAFTING a weapon, is there? Only the cost. And it's just a very big limit really.

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

3.)Monument of Honor (titles)

Only maxed out titles can be displayed. Not everyone wants to grind to get max titles. And the Survivor one? It's hard to become Legendary Survivor. I've seen very few people with that title. Norn/Asura/Agent titles? They only give rep points one at a time for each creature slain. That could take forever...
PVP-only titles have to be a certain rank (I believe rank 8 for hero, rank 3 for others) before they're displayed at all.

I don't know about this one... Yes, there are some titles that are extremely hard to get, but don't forget there's still a long time before GW2 comes out and that you don't necessarily have to grind for them. My mesmer got 80% explored in Elona just getting to Bone Palace. Quite a few titles just stack up while focussing on other things. Including reputation. Dungeons, taking a character through GW:EN... It might be slower but you don't HAVE to grind unless you're really bored with PvE in general.
I don't PvP much so I'll shush about that...

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

4.)Monument of Resilience (armor)

Not that big of a problem, but only high-end/elite armor can be displayed. This includes Marhan's Grotto, Granite Citadel, Vabbian, Elite Sunspear, Elite Kurzick/Luxon, Ancient, Primeval, and Imperial (end game Factions). Sounds like a lot of choices, but the prices are high for some people. And some may be content with just the "low-end" armor.

I have to admit I was slightly annoyed when I remembered my warrior has 1.5k armour instead of 15k... But again, it's about prestige and effort. Most 15k armour requires more effort than just having money, so I'd say this isn't like the Destroyer weapons... Again, I'm biased, my mesmer has tons of prestige armour.

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

5.)Monument of Devotion (mini pets)

Any mini pet can be added, but it's automatically customized to the character that added it. It should be account-wide, not character-based.

Well this is where the earlier bit comes in, basing the HoM on your account could imbalance the whole point of the HoM in general. And not customising mini-pets could lead to even more imbalancing, you could just borrow them off other people or your other characters and copy them over and over.

So I'm probably one of the few who DON'T think the HoM needs to be 'fixed'. I just think it's a bit early to start demanding huge changes when nobody really knows how the link between your HoM and GW2 will work.

Hyper.nl · Sep 11, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

/notsigned all suggestions

NOTsigned to display non-elite armor. (Armor display should only display special armors imo)
NOTsigned to display incomplete PvE titles. (It would encourage to leave titles incomplete)

But here is my wishlist:

Make HoM account-based rather than character based
Customize minipets to account rather than a character
Allow other high-end weapons to be displayed (Like tormented items)

Shanaeri Rynale · Sep 11, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Just allowing people to select what they want to show and in what order would be a great place to start imho.

Friar Khan · Sep 11, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by Reflect

/not signed
1.most pets must not be display-able at all, as they are easy to charm
2.Titles must be a little more challenging
3.1k armor???in HoM?? everyone can aford it it is pointless, if u can`t afford a 15k armor it is all ur problem

I'd gladly pay 75k or whatever, per item/armor set, to add my favorite pets, 1k armors, and weapons. I can think of numerous examples where I've bought the non-ascended version of armor not because the ascended version was too expensive, but because I felt the non-ascended version looked better.

Curse You · Sep 12, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by Reflect

/not signed
1.most pets must not be display-able at all, as they are easy to charm

Nowhere near as easy as getting a Black Moa. At least you have to level most pets, since you can only display level 20 pets.

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

The game has 3 elite pets, I'm glad the HoM treats them as such. (Well actually 4, rainbow phoenix being the elite pets among elite pets.

What makes them "elite pets"? Is it because they either start as lvl 20s or are only available after doing some stuff? Frankly, charming a White Tiger is harder than getting a Black Moa, mostly because you actually have to level up a White Tiger.

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Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

-As far as pets I personally feel that ONLY the Black Widow should be displayed. It is by far the most difficult pet to obtain and therefore more than any other pet shows a "monumental" achievement.

Black Widow charming runs. Or, join a trapper team and convince them to help you get a Black Widow. That's 1 hour at best, during which time all you have to do it move around laying traps. Yea, real hard.

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Originally Posted by Sammy Darvanian

But HoM IS about prestige and accomplishments rather than just storing whatever you want... And armour remnants are relatively hard to get, aswell as the pets you mentioned. Anyone can run out of an outpost and cap some random creature, getting a black moa or a black widow or phoenix is a bit more difficult (yes, I know some consider getting these easy too.) and it takes more time.

Getting a pet, and leveling it up to 20 is a lot more of an accomplishment that stepping out a door and using Charm Animal on a Black Moa or doing an UW Trapping run with Charm Animal.

maraxusofk · Sep 12, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Honestly i can say that a balthazar statue instead of a silly pvp isle map for my r10 would be awesome, but im just happy it isnt r12 anymore.

for weapons, the tricky part would be in defining endgame as each person's standard is different. i say any tyrian 15>50 skin that doesnt drop should show, ie tyrian dyed serpent (not the hm canthan ones), crystallines, and dwarvens. tormented should be able to be shown too. the easiest way to do this would be to use the elite pvp skin rewards as a guideline as to what should be able to go into the hom.

i really wanan be able to rearrange my items. not jsut heroes, in the hom. i need to get my minis "just right."

yeah heroes should be able to display their current armor if it has upgraded armor. i mean i buy specific hero armors not because they are elite but because they look better on a certain hero to me, ie livia's cloth than deldrimor.

i see a huge improvement in the hom from the preview but it can still get better (goigog anet gj so far)

Age · Sep 12, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

/Signed I am not going to get all this done just please the ppl who thought it over.I don't even know if I will be playing GW2 by the time it comes out 2009 maybe 2010.

Equaliser · Sep 12, 2007, 06:06 AM // 06:06

/sign Petition

My only dislike about the HOM is the Monument of Valor (weapons). I hate the skin of the destroyer weapons skin plus the statics is bad

. I don't mind it being expensive as it is the finial epic weapon in the game - it should be hard to obtain but it should look really cool and really powerful.

Lourens · Sep 12, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Okay I've seen everyone saying various things that need to be changed in the Hall of Monuments, so I thought I'd make a whole new post that covers everything in there. Here's what we have so far:

1.)Monument of Fellowship (heroes/pets)

Only heroes with ascended (changed) armor can be displayed. Some people prefer a hero's starter armor over the upgrades. And some heroes can only have new armor from the harder challenge missions, which are also more expensive.
Only the black moa, black widow, and phoenix pets are displayed as their own statue and labeled as what they are. All others are displayed as a statue with a wolf, bear, and lynx labeled Animal Companion.
You can only have 5 statues at a time, but you can't pick exactly which 5 when you rearrange them. It's always random.

2.)Monument of Valor (weapons)

Only high end weapons obtained from GWEN can be added. This does not include end game weapons, and even some golds can't be added. It's only Destroyer ones, and they customize to your character, without the added 20% damage bonus that other customized weapons do. And they all have the same inscription "Strength and Honor, damge +15% while health above 50%) and I don't know that they can be changed. Plus they're gonna be pricey, as they take 5k alone to make, plus 10 onyx gemstones and 10 diamonds. The others are common materials.

3.)Monument of Honor (titles)

Only maxed out titles can be displayed. Not everyone wants to grind to get max titles. And the Survivor one? It's hard to become Legendary Survivor. I've seen very few people with that title. Norn/Asura/Agent titles? They only give rep points one at a time for each creature slain. That could take forever...
PVP-only titles have to be a certain rank (I believe rank 8 for hero, rank 3 for others) before they're displayed at all.

4.)Monument of Resilience (armor)

Not that big of a problem, but only high-end/elite armor can be displayed. This includes Marhan's Grotto, Granite Citadel, Vabbian, Elite Sunspear, Elite Kurzick/Luxon, Ancient, Primeval, and Imperial (end game Factions). Sounds like a lot of choices, but the prices are high for some people. And some may be content with just the "low-end" armor.

5.)Monument of Devotion (mini pets)

Any mini pet can be added, but it's automatically customized to the character that added it. It should be account-wide, not character-based.

Okay, there you have it! And in addition to the Monument of Fellowship, I think it would also be cool if a hero's pet could be like molded onto the hero's statue so it would be one big statue. I realize that could take a lot of work and franky I'm okay without it, but I have a different pet for each of my character's heroes, so I think it would be cool.

I realize that ANet is working on Guild Wars 2, and I'm looking forward to it, but from what I understand, the Hall of Monuments gives us some kind of bonus in Guild Wars 2. Like our characters there can take out our weapons, armor, minis, etc. and use them from our Hall of Monuments. I collect green weapons and I'd love to have them on display. They're the only weapons I use. I have a lot of gold weapons but I have them for sale on my store and I bet they don't count as high-end weapons. Therefore my Guild Wars 2 characters will be defenseless unless something good drops in there. So I think they should fix at least some of the things, if not all, mentioned above. Who's with me?!

1 No comment

2 ye would like to display my black dyed norn longbow or my crystalline

3 Protector and Cartographer titles are pretty easy imo

4 Why u want to display cheap armor ? every player can affort it just need to be lucky with finding a weapon worth 100k

5 U get a mini pet for each character after a year so no need

Hodor · Sep 12, 2007, 08:40 AM // 08:40

At the very least I'd like to be able to display my weapon collection. I understand limiting items displayed to only those which carry some connection to GW2, but allowing the Valor display to have what you'd like within some arbitrary limits would be nice. Just stipulate there's no advantage to GW2 from each non destroyer item.

Wrong Device · Sep 12, 2007, 09:08 AM // 09:08

Monument of Valor

This is crap.

I wish they would let me choose which weapons to show. Let it be a limited number of weapons.

What if I love my Bo Staff most of all? And I find all end-game weapons ugly? It's never about money.

And... These are MY monuments - I am not aright to decide what is MY best achievement?

P.S. If they won't fix HoM. I think the only thing I'm going to leave there is my mini-pet. Just for fun.

P.P.S. WTS Monumental Tapestry.

EDIT.
Yes, I don't care about armor, heroes, titles, pets... I'm more than sure there will be no use for them in GW2.
But a single weapon left from my "grandgrandgrandfather" would be really nice as a sweet memory about GW1. Even if it doesn't fit GW2's requirements.

Abedeus · Sep 12, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Monument of Valor will be useful only for... None? My elementalist? She uses End-Game green from Nightfall (Fire Staff). What about ranger? Her Chkkr's Flatbow is something to be proud of, if I farmed it by myself. Or perfect r9 dead sword of enchanting (+5 ene insc) for Ritualist... I can't put it? Lol why lmao?
Monument for minipets - Crap, I don't even want to waste Monumental Tapestry. If I want to show off my minipets, I will just show mini's in an outpost or guild hall. It's just stupid monument.
And why there is no reward for killing Destroyer? Even if he is weaker than Shiro + Lich (or just Lich), finishing GWEN plot should have a reward too. Oh well, I guess that having frozen Shiro is cool too.

MithranArkanere · Sep 12, 2007, 12:25 PM // 12:25

It should allow any green or gold (max stat req <= 9) weapon.

Limp · Sep 12, 2007, 12:54 PM // 12:54

/Signed
The weapons display is lame!

French Connections · Sep 12, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

The only changes I'd like to have implimented are:

-An account based HoM for Titles, Mini Pets, Armours, Heroes and Weapons.
-Adding more weapons to the monument of valor (namely rare R9 golds such as elem swords, crystalines etc... and maybe end game greens).

Some might disagree with the HoM being account based, but over several characters, I have many numerous maxed titles (Legendary Defender of Ascalon on one, Legendary Cartographer on the other) and armours (vabbian on my sin, FoW on my monk and numerous 15k armours on other chars). I find buying the same armour for each one of my characters quite stupid really, especially as there are some armours which I dont like the look of. Additionally, I'd like to have my LDoA title with a survivor title in my HoM by gaining Legendary Survivor on another character. I'm quite a perfectionist when it comes to "completing" games, and i'd find it rather fun if i can max titles on some of my other characters rather than using my main for gaining all my remaining titles.

Now players who have dedicated their time to one particular character will disagree but they'd have an advantage over people that use several characters. The Kind of a Big Deal track would be achievable to only players who have perfected one specific character THUS they'd still gain something out of making one individual character superior to all their others. Additionally, without intending to offend any of these people, they're in their minority. Most GW'ers may mainly play on one character but still enjoy playing on their other characters once in a while.

Wrong Device · Sep 12, 2007, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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namely rare R9 golds

"Rare" means nothing. Who's going to determine which item is "rare"? A bunch of Guru traders?

Wulfgast · Sep 12, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Well, I'd rather just see the minipet monument disappear altogether, but I know no one will agree with me there...

Weapons, achievements, heroes, and armor are all logical things for a character to commemorate, but... minipets? In the GW world, what the hell are they, anyway? All we know is that the Grey Giant is the result of fixing a "broken toy". I just don't see a legendary hero collecting toys, let alone displaying them in the same hall as their monument to the defeat of Abaddon, Shiro, and the Lich.

Aside from that nonsense, minipets are already account-based by their very nature, and account-based accomplishments shouldn't be displayed in a character-specific HoM, imho.

Don't get me wrong -- it's great that people have something to collect, and sometimes it's fun to see these things running around in a district, but this much emphasis on minipets is honestly a bit ridiculous.

I would try to brainstorm replacement monuments, but since no one will agree with any of this, I guess it doesn't matter anyway.