Curse

MirkoTeran · Jul 01, 2008, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Every bar in PvE is Ursan Blessing, unless your a monk then it's HB.

QFT.

I love sardelac. Inde, could you merge it with something? Like trash?

Hyper.nl · Jul 01, 2008, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Hm, I've seen people who run 'super-secret' builds. I think they don't want to ping nor auto-ping. Not everyone is willing to share their combinations. (Even if they suck)

Just something to keep in mind.

RiKio · Jul 01, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Yeah but...What happens when you are not the leader and the leader chooses to maintain the ``Super-Secret-Skillbar´´ member? Then you will rage when you see that Super Skillbar is a Warrior with Backfire..........

I shall seem elitist but.../signed. Therefore I can evaluate others build and recommend them how to improve it. Not just for blaming for wearing a bad build.

pumpkin pie · Jul 01, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

lol, sorry not signed

my humble opinion.
I never ask player to ping build to see if they can play the game with me. I only ever ask player to ping build when I want to copy their build.

Plus I am not going to share my build with any tom dick and harry i happen to pug with, much less the ones that want to force people to ping their build.

therefore you don't get my vote for this.
/not signed.

Antheus · Jul 01, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

Someone not showing a build means:
- they are not team players
- they lack confidence (ashamed of their builds, or uncertain if they'll work)
- they lack experience (don't know if their build is the right one for the area)
- they don't know how to ping (well...)

Quote:

Yeah but...What happens when you are not the leader and the leader chooses to maintain the ``Super-Secret-Skillbar´´ member? Then you will rage when you see that Super Skillbar is a Warrior with Backfire..........

Ask them yourself. The only difference between leader and member is that leader has one extra button on their party window. If leader has problems with authority, it's a good sign to leave anyway.

The purpose of pinging isn't showing off, it's ensuring that you don't end up with 2 healing monks or 3 MMs or something like that.

Either way, not wanting to ping skills, or better yet, doing it on their own upon joining, is a sure way of finding out people who won't fit into the team.

Then again, that would be old game, today everyone's either ursan or monk, so who cares about team play.

So not having this option is better. It serves as much more reliable filter than anything.

And as always: GW PvE used to be serious business, heh. Today, you're either Ursan, Monk or SF sin. Either that or playing with guild or heroes.

Tyla · Jul 01, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55

If they don't ping it's either bad or they're afraid it would be "stolen".

Whichever position the person not pinging is in, they are bad. Simply as.

/Notsigned.

JupiterStarWarrior · Jul 01, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Every bar in PvE is Ursan Blessing, unless your a monk then it's HB.

Not true. I myself don't use it because I really don't need to use it. It's not that I don't like it; it's just not as useful to me as it could be.

At any rate, I'd like to see my party's builds so I can adjust to what I can or cannot do. For example, if there are no healing monks in my party, I'd like to take over in that respect and do a Fast Cast Healer/Protector using Signet of Illusions. And, forcing someone to show his or her build is kind of wrong; it sort of offers the opportunity to change the build to something that is totally out of whack, something out of the box, or even something that could make or break the mission and/or quest.

Also, I am known to make slight changes to my build (or my Heroes' builds) in order to accommodate my party's strengths and weaknesses. After I'm done, I'll ping the build and will accept constructive criticism about that build. For example, if I were a Necromancer, and someone asks for Blood Ritual to keep energy up, I'll drop something and put it in.

It is also a double-bladed sword: someone will look at my Signet of Illusions and say it's a sucky build because I use SoI. Well, I happen to know how to use it and am in the habit of keeping SoI on me at all times, so I don't really see how it's a bad build.

In conclusion, I do not agree for an "auto-ping skill bar" idea.

Improvavel · Jul 01, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Most useless idea ever. Who cares about the build anyone came with?

What matters is the builds everyone running and then changing accordingly due to each others build and/or area being done.

That conjure ranger build might be good, but if in a heavy physical team with order of pain is bad...

flclempire · Jul 01, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by gremlin

Would never ping my build to anyone except maybe a member of my Guild.

There isn't really any point and its certainly none of their business.

Suppose they have a build you think is wrong, now you may think this gives you the right to lecture them on what makes a good build.

First of all who is the most experienced at GW you or them they may just know something about the build you don't.

Second if they change their build they will be inexperienced in using the new one so prob not as good as leaving them with a build they are happy with.

Third it leaves them open to abuse from idiots who will spam everyone else in the area with don't take the noob.

Most of those who criticize others builds seem to be of the I know what's best its on guildwiki type of player.
Its like knowing 3 chess openings and thinking your an expert, sorry you aren't.

I like experimenting with new builds and varying old ones and its none of your business.

btw when you ping your build back to them are you willing to listen to any comments on your build ? -------- Thought not
/notsigned

Then you should hit the road with some henchies and stop being a baby

Currently people are interested in getting stuff done, not marveling at how you made an efficient build inefficient just because Heal Area is your favorite move.

gremlin · Jul 02, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by flclempire

Then you should hit the road with some henchies and stop being a baby

Currently people are interested in getting stuff done, not marveling at how you made an efficient build inefficient just because Heal Area is your favorite move.

Well that's one point of view and if the average player was a decent person I would be more than willing to ping my build discuss tactics etc.
I do usually check if my build works with other party members usually when I see a party member of the same class and we will have 2 necro or 2 ele.
Because I don't want to counter what they are doing.

This is because I have been playing for a couple of years and do on the whole know what I am doing in pve.

I only accept your views hold water in the elite areas of the game there party composition and correct skill usage are essential.

we will have to agree to disagree I guess

ilipol · Jul 02, 2008, 06:52 AM // 06:52

since my previous post on this thread was deleted ...

/notsigned

... it looks like you can't reply in a thread, the same way with the one who started it.

eximiis · Jul 02, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

Is that really important to know the bar of other ppl ?

You can finish all gw campain with nothing on your bar and 7 henchmen. So i'm pretty sure any build with 8 skills would be better.

Ppl like cookies !!

For elite area, well there's what you call guild friend. Much funnier and much easier.

/notsigned. Leave ppl the choice.

MithranArkanere · Jul 02, 2008, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by eximiis

Is that really important to know the bar of other ppl ?
[...]

You just invalidated all your arguments for a week or so.

This is GW. It is important to know other people's builds, because skill synergy is one of the most important parts of the metagame.

If you know what others have, you can make a more effective build.

Specially in PvP.

eximiis · Jul 02, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

This is GW. It is important to know other people's builds, because skill synergy is one of the most important parts of the metagame.
Specially in PvP.

The synergy is for PVP and a little bit for elite area.

PVE is for pew pew the monster with whatever skills on your bar !!

p.s. Vanquishing can't be done without organized build. but like i said you can finish pve with henchmen and i'm pretty sure every noob, stupid ppl, angry ppl, can come up with something better then a henchmen.

lutz · Jul 02, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

/notsigned
Yes, "every build ever invented is on pvxwiki."

No it isn't.

Zorrilo Gw · Jul 02, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

/notsigned. Would be annoying when joining parties for other than questing/mission (ie selling for example). If they refuse, just kick if you're worried.

Alex Morningstar · Jul 02, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

/notsigned

Considering what someone else said, that you can do PvE with an empty bar, I fail to see the point of auto-pinging a bar. Nevermind it would get pretty damn annoying pretty damn quick.

If they don't ping, kick them. If the leader wont kick them, you leave. It's easy and you don't have to add any coding that wasn't going to happen anyway seeing as GW is in the wind for GW2.

HawkofStorms · Jul 03, 2008, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by lutz

No it isn't.

I'm countering an arguement by another poster who said that several posts above mine.
Good random +1 though

Hailey Anne · Jul 03, 2008, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by Sai Rith

I'm tired of that Nub that refuses to ping his bar for no reason. I'm sure everyone else is too. What I propose is when someone joins the party, their skills automatically get pinged.

Im tired of that nub that asks me to ping my bar because he actually believes his is better.
I've been asked to ping my bar(which I will because I know my bars work)
But the leader asks me to replace a couple skills with ones he likes but makes the build completely unreliable and I end up doing alot less damage or if im healing people start dying because I use his build.
teams succeeded at Missions/Elite Areas long before the ability to png and they will continue to do so.
And besides its not hard to load a template AFTER the builds been pinged.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eximiis

p.s. Vanquishing can't be done without organized build.

Thats not true. Ive vanquished many areas with trial builds easily.

gremlin · Jul 03, 2008, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Probably the main reason for all this pinging in much of the game comes down to the ability of the players.

If you one of those who believe you always need two monks in a party for the mission to succeed.
Or have a preconcieved idea that all parties must have 1 wamo 2 ele 1 ss necro and interupting ranger etc etc then that's the reason your so build crazy.
This is mainly down to inexperience

Any six fairly good players can do most of the missions in the game, maybe not all but most no matter what their build and with pretty much any classes.

If you want to do all missions in the shortest possible time aiming to get the max bonus for an area.
Or are in an elite area or hard mode then yes party build and cooperation makes life a heck of a lot easier.