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Orange Milk · Jun 30, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

/who cares

Every bar in PvE is Ursan Blessing, unless your a monk then it's HB.

And in PvP if your PUGing your failing anyway so who cares what the bar is.

Kanyatta · Jun 30, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

/notsigned

You ever conciderd that other players have more experiance than you and run a build that's not published on Wiki? There is such builds you know.

What's with people's hate towards wiki builds? Pretty much every good build that's ever been invented has been put on wiki. Unless there's some amazing skill synergy thing millions of players have missed, wiki pretty much has everything, and usually if someone comes up with a good build that works, the first thing they go and do is make a page on PvXWiki for it. Granted, there are builds that have 2 or 3 skills altered that the player may feel offers better synergy, but its basically the same build at heart.

/notsigned

If they don't show bar, just kick, because they're probably not worth keeping anyway.

Tearz1993 · Jun 30, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

/notsigned

But for all those idiots saying "I won't ping because my bar is better than wiki builds!", there's a 99.99% chance that your build isn't better, but it's what you like to run instead. So stop pretending you're better than everyone else.

Stockholm · Jun 30, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

What's with people's hate towards wiki builds? Pretty much every good build that's ever been invented has been put on wiki. Unless there's some amazing skill synergy thing millions of players have missed, wiki pretty much has everything, and usually if someone comes up with a good build that works, the first thing they go and do is make a page on PvXWiki for it. Granted, there are builds that have 2 or 3 skills altered that the player may feel offers better synergy, but its basically the same build at heart.

/notsigned

Right there is the problem, if you as much as change 1 skill from whats published you get the whole argument about not knowing what you do, BECAUSE YOUR WHOLE SKILL BAR DON'T MATCH THE WIKI BUILD.

Thank god for Heros and Henchis

romeus petrus · Jun 30, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30

/notsigned

If anyone refuses to ping build just kick.

Franco Power · Jun 30, 2008, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

/notsigned

You ever conciderd that other players have more experiance than you and run a build that's not published on Wiki? There is such builds you know.

Because, your retarded Cripslash + Meteor shower build is not better then the 3 years old standard Shock Axe just because it's not on Wiki.

Aleta · Jun 30, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by pamelf

/notsigned. Showing your skills should be your choice and your choice only.

Absolutely and totally agree!

/notsigned

Shuuda · Jun 30, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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If they don't show bar, just kick, because they're probably not worth keeping anyway.

That's probably the best way. I normalyl assume people who don't ping:

- Have shamefully bad builds.
- Think people are gonig to "steal" their build, in which case they're idiots.

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 30, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

/not signed.

There's no need for it. Either a new member to the party will ping their bar or they won't. If they don't - kick 'em. If they do, be sure you've got the half a brain needed to recognize whether it's a viable build or not, regardless of whether it's a wiki cookie-cutter or not.

Stockholm · Jun 30, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Franco Power

Because, your retarded Cripslash + Meteor shower build is not better then the 3 years old standard Shock Axe just because it's not on Wiki.

Yeah that really is retarded on a Monk,

Go Play with your Wammo

Age · Jun 30, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

It is to late for this and I don't think it can be done and if I don't want to show my bar that is my choice.

Richardt · Jun 30, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

/notsigned

I could add to the argument about player privacy etc. etc.

But I'm not supporting this for the annoyance factor. When my guild gets ready to go, we often have several people leaving/rejoining the party for various reasons (getting dif. weapons, armor, skills etc.).

Now imagine what would happen if everytime they left their build was pinged? It would just creat unneccessary spam as the vast majority of the time what they have on their bar isn't the finished product, and once they get done they normally ping the build anyways.

Jetdoc · Jun 30, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

That's probably the best way. I normalyl assume people who don't ping:

- Have shamefully bad builds.
- Think people are gonig to "steal" their build, in which case they're idiots.
- Don't like people to tell them how to play the game, and force them to use a cookie cutter build that may be inferior to their own for that specific mission/area.

Added another option for you to consider.

A whole-hearted /notsigned on this one.

Omnidragon42 · Jun 30, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

This would be annoying when forming groups, spamming the chat box. It's a players right to keep their build private if they want to. There's no need for it because anyone who refuses to ping is an arrogant jerk you probably don't want anyway, so:

/Notsigned.

Stockholm · Jun 30, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Added another option for you to consider.

A whole-hearted /notsigned on this one.

OH OH, now you'll get it to.

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Originally Posted by Franco Power
Because, your retarded Cripslash + Meteor shower build is not better then the 3 years old standard Shock Axe just because it's not on Wiki.

credit · Jul 01, 2008, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

That's probably the best way. I normalyl assume people who don't ping:

- Have shamefully bad builds.
- Think people are gonig to "steal" their build, in which case they're idiots.

This sums it up.

gremlin · Jul 01, 2008, 05:15 AM // 05:15

The idea fails on so many levels but the main one is that it has the same effect as ursan, it reduces gw to a few classes and a few builds.

There are hundreds if not thousands of different builds and ok there are a few really strong builds that work extremely well.
But as the pvp crowd never cease telling us pve is easy and you can solo it with 3 skills on your task bar.

Yes there are some terrible builds out there that fail because the player is very inexperienced but there are plenty of average to good builds that work well enough and are "fun to play".
Shouldn't that be the determining factor ? that everyone has fun.

When I started playing people just asked for what they wanted in their party as in ss necro wanted, stick with that method and don't try to micromanage other players.

Azza · Jul 01, 2008, 05:35 AM // 05:35

i dont like to show my build cus im always told to change something, even if i have My hard mode titles up for a certain campaign, some 1 says i dont like ur bar change it, when i know for a fact it works(of course i heroed and henchied all of my Hard Mode), but this is 1 reason why i dont help Pugs u cry when i show u my build u Cry when i dont so GG ur all a bunch of retards

Lady Lozza · Jul 01, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

/notsiged

For all the reasons above.
There isn't wiki hate, there is wiki compliance hate, there's a difference.
It works like this: 100% wiki compliance = good, 99% wiki compliance = kick.
Taking disease into an area of human opponents is a no-no, yet if it is on the wiki bar people expect you to take it and use it.

HawkofStorms · Jul 01, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

/notsigned
Considering how much of an A-hole the OP was... calling people who disagree with you "nubs," which isn't even spelled correctly... way to be a n00b, he shouldn't be surprised with the responses. Be a smartass and you get smartass replies. If you want a more serious discussion, try explaining things constructively in your opening post and address the pros and cons of an issue.

Edit: Yes, "every build ever invented is on pvxwiki." However, that also means a TON of builds exist on pvxwiki that aren't any good (if after all, every build is on there). That's the problem with wikis. User created content means anybody can add or alter stuff. I could go over there right now and find half a dozen unpopular, unused builds that are "wiki tested" that suck... and then come back and say "but its on the pvxwiki so it must be good." Granted, its a lot better and more regulated now that it is a seperate site from the wikia gw wiki, but that's doesn't mean its vetting system is absolute.