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N1ghtstalker · Jul 18, 2008, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Steam has great support too! *cough*anet doesnt*cough*

Daisuko · Jul 18, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Plus I can check my friends list and go... "Oh hey, I'm bored as all heck in guild wars atm, but 5 of my friends are on the same TF2 server. Howsabout I go join them for awhile?"

Alexandra-Sweet · Jul 18, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Daisuko

I don't really get the arguments that steam sucks, but as for why it DOESN'T suck..... And why I personally use the "add non-steam game to steam" function and run guild wars through steam....

1. I can actually talk to friends who aren't on guild wars, without leaving fullscreen and having to enter other windows.

2. It notifies all of your friends so they know you're on guild wars, in case they were thinking about it but didn't know if anyone they knew was even ON guild wars.

3. Removes desktop clutter.

4. Auto-starts when my computer starts anyway, so I don't have to search for it or anything.

5. There's no way to screw up and accidentally PM the wrong person or say something in the wrong chat.

6. Anet doesn't get logs of what's said, I don't really like that about GW, anet keeps track of everything typed if they wanted to look it up, including whispers.

7. I can talk to people I want to on guild wars, while remaining offline if I don't want others to talk to me.

I could possibly think of more, but you get the picture... I <3 steam.

One of the biggest and best features of Steam, all games are stand-alone so there's no more missing/broken cd's and cd swapping.

Daisuko · Jul 18, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

One of the biggest and best features of Steam, all games are stand-alone so there's no more missing/broken cd's and cd swapping.

Guild wars has that feature too, just takes longer to re-download everything. They're actually fairly similar. I run all of my games through steam, because that way I don't have to ask all of my friends individually... "do you play this game? what about this one? this one?" They can SEE what I'm playing, and join if they'd like. I can do the same. Now, if they made a way to record what you're playing built-in to steam... as well as adding voice chat, well.... Then I would love them bunches more even. =) But until then, Steam, Vent... they're both on almost all the time.

EDIT : As for steam and Anet merging.... not possible in my opinion. Anet is a part of NCsoft, the greater company. Unless NCsoft decided to be a part of steam, guild wars won't be a "steam game" but you can of course add it to steam anyway...

DarkNecrid · Jul 18, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

It's amazing how clueless/downright wrong some people are ITT.

Here we goooo:

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Whats this thing people have with steam anyway? What will you do when Steam is discontinued? Loose all your games?

And before you say something about it being forever, companies DO turn their bellies up sometimes (Hellgate London, anyone?) and that leaves customers at loss...

And why would it attact people to GW? Stema is used for updating/managing games, GW has no use for that, it has superior system for that.

The chances of Steam going under is very unlikely. You're more likely to die 20 seconds from me typing this post, than Steam going under. Valve is VERY VERY well off (they have yet to make a game that sells like crap/doesn't perform well...even Blizzard Entertainment has Justice League Force and Death and Return of Superman!), and have a ton of people helping with Steam.

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

HELL NO

valve is already trying to take over the world with this shit. Id rather double click my gw shortcut without having to load steam.

Thanks but definetly a no.

Sooo....do that?

A game being on Steam doesn't mean you need Steam to use it. That is only true for Valve's games. Call of Duty 4 for example, is on Steam but you can launch it outside of Steam because it doesn't require it. Same for Trackmania...and....every non-Valve game actually.

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Quoted because this is win. I don't wanna load steam every time I play gw. Also seems pointless to add gw to steam because ncsoft has a store.

That's good, you don't have to.

Also, that's like saying it is pointless stocking Guild Wars at Target because Best Buy has it already.

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Originally Posted by Tamuril elansar

agreed with all posts above.

btw what can steam really offer to GW?

Integrated off-game friend list, faster downloading updates (nZone always dl at your max speed, unlike GW which goes at like 200kbs), more exposure to people = more sales.

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

I dislike Steam, and I don't see how it would really help GW to have it on there.

See above.

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

But no way in hell is NC-Soft going to pay Steam to host GW on their servers when they have their own servers, and it would compromise safety on the GW servers.

They don't. They just pay for Guild Wars to be on the steam service. The only games that uses Steam servers are Valve's. No other game uses Steam servers, nor does any other game require Steam really.

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Originally Posted by FXCW

I really like steam, but I can see no valid reason to have GW on it.

More sales.

Most of you guys should probably learn more about the subject at hand before you talk down about it or say misleading / completely incorrect info about the program.

Ec]-[oMaN · Jul 18, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

One of the biggest and best features of Steam, all games are stand-alone so there's no more missing/broken cd's and cd swapping.

You see that as a benefit others may not. What happens when your account gets get hacked all games gone, if you ever have to reformat or build a new comp you gonna sit on steam and DL all your games for the next 2 weeks? When they are still fixing stuff like this or have actually just started to implement such things 3+ years later why would I want steam? I've been through all the updates since steam took over CS with patch 1.6, for the next year+ steam would become your worst nightmare. Hot damn they've finally managed to make it something worth all the time and effort. Anyways besides the sour taste left in my mouth, does anyone actually see NCsoft forking money over to have their game advertised and distributed on Steam this far late in GW history?

Improved download status reporting in games list

Increased background update frequency

Improved voice quality

Added audio recording device selection for voice chat

Added push-to-talk support for voice chat

Fixed apps getting stuck at Updating 0% when downloading

Fixed possible crash when resuming from Standby mode

Fixed Steam preventing some PC's from entering Standby mode

Fixed overlay sometimes getting stuck up and not responding to hot-keys after server join

Fixed uninstalled apps becoming installed when viewing their Properties page after Steam restarts

Spazzer · Jul 18, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones

LOL steam is made by a different company entirely.....

Well, yes? I don't see what difference that makes.

Are you sure you know what Steam is?

Alexandra-Sweet · Jul 18, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

You see that as a benefit others may not. What happens when your account gets get hacked all games gone, if you ever have to reformat or build a new comp you gonna sit on steam and DL all your games for the next 2 weeks? When they are still fixing stuff like this or have actually just started to implement such things 3+ years later why would I want steam? I've been through all the updates since steam took over CS with patch 1.6, for the next year+ steam would become your worst nightmare. Hot damn they've finally managed to make it something worth all the time and effort.

Improved download status reporting in games list

Increased background update frequency

Improved voice quality

Added audio recording device selection for voice chat

Added push-to-talk support for voice chat

Fixed apps getting stuck at Updating 0% when downloading

Fixed possible crash when resuming from Standby mode

Fixed Steam preventing some PC's from entering Standby mode

Fixed overlay sometimes getting stuck up and not responding to hot-keys after server join

Fixed uninstalled apps becoming installed when viewing their Properties page after Steam restarts

You can't remove a game you purchased through Steam, it will always remain on your account, and you can always request your password through e-mail incase your account got "hacked" and the password changed.

And be glad Steam does still fix bugs after 3 years, I know a company that doesn't...

You can also use Steam to back-up your games incase you have to reformat.

isamu kurosawa · Jul 18, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I never liked steam anyway. The downlaod feature comes built into gw and the only other features that are any use are also available in the less obtrusive xfire.

Not to mention xfire has a full host of other features available.

Daisuko · Jul 18, 2008, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

You can't remove a game you purchased through Steam, it will always remain on your account, and you can always request your password through e-mail incase your account got "hacked" and the password changed.

And be glad Steam does still fix bugs after 3 years, I know a company that doesn't...

You can also use Steam to back-up your games incase you have to reformat.

Sadly, if I remember correctly, you can simply change your contact e-mail for steam without even having to know the old one. Wich is pretty terrible honestly.

I may be wrong, but as far as I know, you could simply change the password and contact e-mail. Though I'm sure steam, who actually has good customer support, could resolve this issue if you brought it up to them. Unlike Anet, whom whenever I had an issue, replied, transferred me to someone else, then someone else, then another person, then basically said... "Durrr.... We don't know. We're going to take your question the wrong way and not really answer it at all, because we don't know."

Edit : on a side note, I think it'd be nice to have an area where people can find out what games other players play, so they can try playing with them. I met a whole clan in TF2 that played guild wars also... unfortunately, it turns out all of them only started playing less than a month ago when I met them... so I've mostly been teaching them how to do things, what to do, what not to do... ect.

Spazzer · Jul 18, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

There's a pretty large disparity between people who know what they're talking about and people who don't like this idea.

Before I become the Steam Nerd Defense Force, I'm gonna jump out after this:

Steam is an awesome utility and should not be overlooked by any game developer.

NiukNiuk · Jul 18, 2008, 07:02 PM // 19:02

I use steam (mainly for TF2)
I've bought some games on it
I never had any problems recently with it (except if you count problems that everybody had with steam when it was launched in 2004)
I find steam really cool now, extremely useful and waaaaaay better than what it was some years ago (remember when HL2 was launched?)

And I'll probably buy more games on it (Left4Dead, here I come^^)

Guild Wars on steam? why not...I won't be shocked by that but I don't think that ncsoft will agree

toastgodsupreme · Jul 18, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

What I dislike about steam:

First two pictures...

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Steam vs Photoshop on startup. Steam is a launcher. A LAUNCHER. And it uses nearly as much memory as photoshop, and WAY more processor time.

Let's go on...

If you REALLY need to chat with your friends while you're playing GW, there's a reason they give you WINDOWED MODE.
Do you REALLY swap games SO much that you need a launcher with all of them listed? ( http://www.launchy.net/ )
Are you so lazy that you can't click on a shortcut on your desktop/start menu/etc?
Do you honestly believe that having MORE people on steam is a good idea? Yeah, that's just what the steam servers need... more people. Not like they ever have issues.
If you don't like having to log into GW each time, there IS a way to have it autologin for you. "C:\Games\Guild Wars\Gw.exe" -fps 60 -password xxxxxxx

I'm a long time CS player, so it's not like I never use it. The point is, for something that is just a launcher, it's given a LOT of people a LOT of headaches.

Daisuko · Jul 18, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by NiukNiuk

I use steam (mainly for TF2)
I've bought some games on it
I never had any problems recently with it (except if you count problems that everybody had with steam when it was launched in 2004)
I find steam really cool now, extremely useful and waaaaaay better than what it was some years ago (remember when HL2 was launched?)

And I'll probably buy more games on it (Left4Dead, here I come^^)

Guild Wars on steam? why not...I won't be shocked by that but I don't think that ncsoft will agree

Well, I'd be suprised to be honest, steam mostly distributes small stand-alone games, and first person shooters... they're expanding, but I don't think they have any MMO's yet.

Alexandra-Sweet · Jul 18, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Daisuko

Well, I'd be suprised to be honest, steam mostly distributes small stand-alone games, and first person shooters... they're expanding, but I don't think they have any MMO's yet.

They have EVE Online, Trackmania and some other less popular MMO's.

Divinus Stella · Jul 18, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

Steam is a resource hog as toastgod proved, its also slow for updates, usually when a large update comes out all the servers slow right down.

I dont see why its needed, doesnt help in any way just an inconvenience.

The Evil Monkey · Jul 18, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Steam accounts are easily hackable.

Dallcingi · Jul 18, 2008, 07:24 PM // 19:24

GW is fine as is imo
no steam is needed it just a hassle.

Calista Blackblood · Jul 18, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

xfire does everything that steam does without forcing the installation of a somewhat crappy program aka the aforementioned steam.dont jump at me,i use steam too (css,hl2dm,cod4,portal and so on)but i just cant see how gw coming to steam/valve is productive because 1 thing and 1 thing only will happen.

the ursan and shadow form QQing will end up on steampowered.com forums and steam/valve/anet still wont give a flying rats ass about trying to fix their "broken"

neither entity can fix their broken stuff now,i can imagine total carnage if steam/valve +anet ever unite

Zaris · Jul 18, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

1. Steam sucks (i can know i got steam)
2.Guildwars isnt made by valve