Curse

JupiterStarWarrior · Aug 01, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Tyla

One person? How about entire teams? How about 15 disconnections on both sides? How about nobody connecting at all?

That is beyond stupidity, and there is no reason they shouldn't do a rollback. The least they could do is simply say something about the situation.

It doesn't matter if it was one person, or entire teams out because of disconnects. They're not liable. Lah-dee-dah-dee-dah. Do you honestly think that, because of connectivity issues, even server side, ArenaNet should redo the tournament?

A clue:

NO.

(I've always wanted to do that...

)

Tyla · Aug 01, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Because a reroll of the tournament will affect you how?

One or two connectivity issues is one thing, but entire teams? There isn't even a mention from Arena Net, not even an appology or feedback from them about this.

JupiterStarWarrior · Aug 01, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

OK, so I see what you're saying, that dc's and error's are not liable to Anet. But, seeing as it was obviously server-side, what I would want at least is an explanation from Anet as to what happened.

That would be good, because it did affect PvE as well (my group was in the middle of Vanquishing The Sulfurous Wastes when it hit; we could not continue due to lag, so we just stopped--we can handle Death Penalty, but lag we could not; one of our group even had over 120,000 ping!)

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Also, they did it for the Dragon Festival, they didn't HAVE to do it. So, why do PvE events get more support than PvP events?

I don't speak for ArenaNet or NCSoft, so I can't tell you. Although, with the Dragon Festival Redux, I got off lucky, because, as I said, I just got Factions. But I would have lived if it hadn't come about.

JupiterStarWarrior · Aug 01, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Because a re-roll of the tournament will affect you how?

One or two connectivity issues is one thing, but entire teams? There isn't even a mention from Arena Net, not even an apology or feedback from them about this.

A re-roll wouldn't affect me, to be honest. However, it's clearly in the rules that they (ArenaNet/NCSoft) are not responsible for any disconnects. My heart-felt sympathies goes out to those who participated in those tournaments during the severe lag issues, but rules are put in place for the fairness of all.

What if this had happened to me? Would I be upset? Yes. Would I complain? Probably. But, in the end, I'd tuck my tail between my legs and move on with my life. After all, this is just a game.

As far as addressing the issue, I agree (as I stated in my post right after yours.

). It needs to be addressed. An apology would be acceptable, especially since it affected not just PvP, but PvE as well. If I were ArenaNet, I'd put something along the lines of, "We apologize for the inconvinece the server lag of such-and-such weekend caused. It was due to <insert reason here>."

Will we get such an apology? I have no idea. Although, I think we, as a community, should.

HawkofStorms · Aug 01, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0313007&page=1

The big problem seen in the above thread is that a.net isn't even ACKNOWLEDGING that there was a problem that affected the mats. They even LIED about it, saying the server problem only lasted 3 hours and had no impact. Which is a lie, since I and my entire alliance (as well as numerious people posting on guru) started having connectivity issues Friday night, and lasted until Sunday morning.

Yes, I agree with JupiterStarWarrior, they are not legally obligated to redo the match. That doesn't mean that they can't redo it if they want to... or at least admit that there was a problem. 1 person disconnecting, no big deal. Entire teams not being able to play because of a.net side sever problems is another. Heck, the NPCs weren't even loading in properly in certain guild halls.

HawkofStorms · Aug 01, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

A.net doesn't have to be legally liable (the only reason those specifications are in the rules), for them to still have a moral responsibile to the community to stand behind their product.
Metaphor: If a defetivie product is protected by legal contract for its failure, it is still morally right for a company to admit their product was defetive and issue a recall.

The community isn't trying to "force" a.net to do anything. A.net can do whatever they want with their game as per the EULA. A lot of people don't even want a reroll anymore, just an admission that errors occured.

Kanyatta · Aug 01, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Tyla

The least they could do is simply say something about the situation.

This is the way I'm feeling as of late. Redoing the MAT has stopped being that big of a deal because I've accepted there's no respect for the PvP community from the devs side, and at least there wasn't a whoru that got gold trim or something like that.

What I'd really like is some kind of statement about wtf happened. The lag did not just last a few hours, the game was virtually unplayable from Friday ~10pm CST till Sunday ~noon CST.

Div · Aug 02, 2008, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

After all, this is just a game.

Because you're just a typical PvEr who plays the game as it is.

A competitive tournament like this one has a lot on the line, as the winning team basically gets about $500 worth per person. In previous monthlies, the prizes have ranged up to $1000 per person for the winning team. The prizes before the game started dying were even larger, going up to tens of thousands of dollars.

From your viewpoint, a disconnect just means you lost an hour's worth of vanquishing. To some, it's a few hundred dollars on the line.

upier · Aug 02, 2008, 01:00 PM // 13:00

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Because you're just a typical PvEr who plays the game as it is.

A competitive tournament like this one has a lot on the line, as the winning team basically gets about $500 worth per person. In previous monthlies, the prizes have ranged up to $1000 per person for the winning team. The prizes before the game started dying were even larger, going up to tens of thousands of dollars.

From your viewpoint, a disconnect just means you lost an hour's worth of vanquishing. To some, it's a few hundred dollars on the line.

Get a real job then?
The simple fact that there is money involved means NOTHING!

JupiterStarWarrior · Aug 02, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Because you're just a typical PvEr who plays the game as it is.

And you say this as it's a bad thing? Hum.

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Originally Posted by upier

Get a real job then?
The simple fact that there is money involved means NOTHING!

Wow. Stole the words out of my mouth. ^_^

lord of all tyria · Aug 02, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Because you would totally turn down money for playing a game you like.

upier · Aug 02, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by lord of all tyria

Because you would totally turn down money for playing a game you like.

Of course not.
But there is a difference between accepting something and (almost) stating you are entitled to it.

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

Wow. Stole the words out of my mouth. ^_^

Just copy&pasting your smiley back because it's too cute for words!
^_^

Fleur De Lyss · Aug 02, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

A re-roll wouldn't affect me, to be honest. However, it's clearly in the rules that they (ArenaNet/NCSoft) are not responsible for any disconnects. My heart-felt sympathies goes out to those who participated in those tournaments during the severe lag issues, but rules are put in place for the fairness of all.

What if this had happened to me? Would I be upset? Yes. Would I complain? Probably. But, in the end, I'd tuck my tail between my legs and move on with my life. After all, this is just a game.

As far as addressing the issue, I agree (as I stated in my post right after yours.

). It needs to be addressed. An apology would be acceptable, especially since it affected not just PvP, but PvE as well. If I were ArenaNet, I'd put something along the lines of, "We apologize for the inconvinece the server lag of such-and-such weekend caused. It was due to <insert reason here>."

Will we get such an apology? I have no idea. Although, I think we, as a community, should.

I agree with most of your posts on here, Jupiter.Though I don't see why people are making a big deal out of it, or wanting an "apology". Its a minuscule dilemma we faced and you guys want them to apologize? What ? If your mom made you dinner and she burnt it would you expect her to apologize ?

Fleur De Lyss · Aug 02, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Because you're just a typical PvEr who plays the game as it is.

A competitive tournament like this one has a lot on the line, as the winning team basically gets about $500 worth per person. In previous monthlies, the prizes have ranged up to $1000 per person for the winning team. The prizes before the game started dying were even larger, going up to tens of thousands of dollars.

From your viewpoint, a disconnect just means you lost an hour's worth of vanquishing. To some, it's a few hundred dollars on the line.

Well therein lies the problem, People need to take better care of their finances. If they are gambling with "hundreds" of dollars, then they should be prepared to lose it.

JupiterStarWarrior · Aug 02, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by upier

Just copy&pasting your smiley back because it's too cute for words!
^_^

Don't need to copy and paste it. ^_^ *cough*

Anywho...

If my mom burnt dinner, she'd be okay with it; she likes her burnt offerings.

Kanyatta · Aug 02, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by upier

Get a real job then?
The simple fact that there is money involved means NOTHING!

lolwut? I have a real job, but personally, I wouldn't say hundreds of dollars means nothing.

I also wouldn't consider playing a MAT "gambling", as Fleur said. Each team has nothing to lose and everything to gain, but if the best team isn't winning because of Anet's server issues, I'd say something went haywire.

upier · Aug 02, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

lolwut? I have a real job, but personally, I wouldn't say hundreds of dollars means nothing.

I also wouldn't consider playing a MAT "gambling", as Fleur said. Each team has nothing to lose and everything to gain, but if the best team isn't winning because of Anet's server issues, I'd say something went haywire.

You misunderstood.
It's not the money that means nothing.
It's the fact that you are playing for money that means nothing. People seem to feel that because they play for money that they have the right to demand that a different set of rules apply for them.
And I really don't see why that demand would be justifiable.

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

Don't need to copy and paste it. ^_^ *cough

I am one of THOSE lazy bastards.

around · Aug 03, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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It's the fact that you are playing for money that means nothing. People seem to feel that because they play for money that they have the right to demand that a different set of rules apply for them.

Yes they can, because they were cheated out of money which they could have won if ANet had not cocked up.

The analogy would be if during the Champion's league (insert american equivalent if you don't understand) final one team couldn't turn up through no fault of their own (be it heavy traffic, mechanical breakdown or some joker putting laxatives in the tea). Imagine then if all the prize money was awarded to the other team.

Would you feel hard done by? I would.

upier · Aug 03, 2008, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by around

Yes they can, because they were cheated out of money which they could have won if ANet had not cocked up.

The analogy would be if during the Champion's league (insert american equivalent if you don't understand) final one team couldn't turn up through no fault of their own (be it heavy traffic, mechanical breakdown or some joker putting laxatives in the tea). Imagine then if all the prize money was awarded to the other team.

Would you feel hard done by? I would.

This:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3&postcount=35

Or the important part:

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Due to the nature of computers and the Internet, ArenaNet is not responsible for the results of any disconnection or network problems experienced by players.

IF you have an issue with the rules - you can show that by NOT participating.
A.Net clearly set the rules for EXACT such cases.
The players do NOT have the right to demand the rules be changed.
As a sign of good will A.Net COULD award additional players - but like previously stated, the players do NOT have the right to demand this.

Now that we have that covered - would "I feel" cheated?
Yeah.
So?

That's like going to the store - looking at the PS3 and then say that it's 400€ price tag isn't good and that it should be sold to you for 300€!
Yes, they CAN sell it to you for 300€.
But do they need to?

around · Aug 03, 2008, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Yes, they're not responsible. I know the internet is a fickle place-who knows what goes through those tubes?

Just like the Champions League organizers weren't responsible for one team's mechanical breakdown/heavy traffic.

But ANet CAN reschedule the tournament, just like the Champion's League organizers, so that everyone has a FAIR and EQUAL chance at winning the prizes.