Curse

FlamingMetroid · Aug 04, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

AT ANY RATE, I'm wondering if you thought he was "super-OH, MY GOD, HE'S A N00B" easy the first time you fought him, eh? o_O;

I was so baed I was using fire magic on my assassin back then and I still thought he was a pushover :|

DarkNecrid · Aug 04, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

If you want him to be harder go in with a party of 8 with 5 skills or a party of 5 with 8 skills.

/notsigned

Way to read the topic.

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Yeah buddy, they could remove all the ghosts from Pac-Man except 1 and if I wanted a challenge I could whip out my private parts to control Pac-Man, but that's not good game design. Sorry. It's up the game company to provide the challenge, not the players. You aren't supposed to let them be lazy.

dragonx1013 · Aug 04, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Signed on one condition. DON'T add this skill when you (SPOILER Don't read on if you don't want to spoil the game) have to fight Shiro in Nightfall. Without the celestial skill I found him very difficult and had to get a full correlating team of humans (for some people who like to go on with the henchmen, its difficult. I know there are strategies, but if you have to use a certain strategy to win, then its not fun). Add it in Hard Mode, and its all good with me.

Kanyatta · Aug 04, 2008, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Here's reasons you should add it:
-The icon looks badass.
-The icon looks cool (very important)

I stopped reading here. You lost all credibility as soon as you used "badass" as a reason... twice... three times if you count the thread name. Unless you're 11 years old, then I might let it slide.

DarkNecrid · Aug 05, 2008, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

I stopped reading here. You lost all credibility as soon as you used "badass" as a reason... twice... three times if you count the thread name. Unless you're 11 years old, then I might let it slide.

Kanyatta, it's badass dude.

I mean come on, it's like emo Shiro except he kills your party when he slices himself, clearly this should be done okay. Don't get caught up on the word choice, get caught up in what this means for Shiro...he's been crying for buffs for weeks...

mastermaxx1 · Aug 05, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

(fun fact: you use all your skills from rings, lol. Hence the name Signets.).

If this is true then the number of skills you can have in your skill bar is limited to the number of fingers you have. Most humans have a total of 10 fingers, but there are 8 skill slots currently available on the skill bar (unless you don't count thumbs). Does this mean that if your char was born with an extra finger he could use an extra skill, or could you put the rings on your toes and double your number of available skills?

DarkNecrid · Aug 05, 2008, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by mastermaxx1

If this is true then the number of skills you can have in your skill bar is limited to the number of fingers you have. Most humans have a total of 10 fingers, but there are 8 skill slots currently available on the skill bar (unless you don't count thumbs). Does this mean that if your char was born with an extra finger he could use an extra skill, or could you put the rings on your toes and double your number of available skills?

I think the original lore reason was that any number of rings beyond 8 was dangerous because their combined power & energies would basically destroy any human or whatever.

It is true though.

Signets are rings that are built to not cost energy (energy of your character to unleash the power inside the ring). There's nothing in-game that shows this anymore tho :/. But originally you got skills through skill rings, had skill keychains, skill gems (to put in a ring), etc.

Dark Paladin X · Aug 05, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

He's not that hard if you are a group of people who know what you are doing man.

If you are doing this with heroes and henchies, you are in a world of hurt, they really don't know how to kite well.

Faer · Aug 05, 2008, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

uh:
Impossible Odds+ Battle Scars. Shiro is already hard as it is. And don't forget Meditation of the Reaper.

Anything that can be beaten with 8 Warriors swinging axes around and using crummy Healing Prayers spells is not "hard". Not in my books, anyway.

Accursed · Aug 05, 2008, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

uh:
Impossible Odds+ Battle Scars. Shiro is already hard as it is. And don't forget Meditation of the Reaper.

Shiro is the easiest out of the 4 end game bosses.

You could take 8 elementalists and destroy him with their celestial skills.

DarkNecrid · Aug 05, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

If you are doing this with heroes and henchies, you are in a world of hurt, they really don't know how to kite well.

Nope.

I didn't even need any anti-melee hexes. (Gwen just had Echo. No joke.)

Pretty sure he's piss easy. If you have problems with heroes kiting, l2flag them.

I even used a pretty low setup for that mission just to prove my point, you'll notice I have 370 HP instead of 500+, only have 1 (very bad) bonus weapon, and had Conjure Lightning on bar just for Ether Renewal.

My heroes are using pretty subpar equipment as well, with no runes in their armor because I am cheap and haven't gotten around to spending my other 100k yet.

I beat him in like 45 seconds, by the way.

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^No, the Lich is. The Lich couldn't kill you if he wanted to. Shiro can.

mastermaxx1 · Aug 05, 2008, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

I think the original lore reason was that any number of rings beyond 8 was dangerous because their combined power & energies would basically destroy any human or whatever.

It is true though.

Signets are rings that are built to not cost energy (energy of your character to unleash the power inside the ring). There's nothing in-game that shows this anymore tho :/. But originally you got skills through skill rings, had skill keychains, skill gems (to put in a ring), etc.

I thought that was pretty interesting, nice fact

Arkantos · Aug 05, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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AT ANY RATE, I'm wondering if you thought he was "super-OH, MY GOD, HE'S A N00B" easy the first time you fought him, eh? o_O;

As a matter of fact, I did. Same with the other 3 end-game bosses.

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(((NOTE: It's obvious that our opinions are not going to change, so let's stop the arguing, yes?)))

Welcome to discussion forums.

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If you want him to be harder go in with a party of 8 with 5 skills or a party of 5 with 8 skills.

Why? Gimping yourself to create a challenge is very different from playing your best with a challenge.

DarkNecrid · Aug 06, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Why? Gimping yourself to create a challenge is very different from playing your best with a challenge.

The truth. I even gimped myself pretty hard but not directly on purpose. Part of it was me being lazy, another part was because I screwed up, and the rest was for the lolz. My monk had 5 skills, Gwen had 1, Jora had 4 (I accidentally had the other 4 disabled from a previous mission), I had subpar Health, I had terrible weapons, my heroes had absolutely no runes and stock weapons except for Jora. I had no rezzes either! (Cept for the henchies)

It was still ez so. :|

The only end boss which gave me difficulty was Abaddon at first, but only because I was literally trying to attack him cause I was tired as shit. <.<

45 people obviously suck because they don't understand what badassery obviously means. Badass OWNS.

draxynnic · Aug 06, 2008, 02:42 PM // 14:42

I think Construct Possession is used by the ghostly, untargettable Shiro in Sunjiang District.

Regarding killing Shiro without a stance-breaker: My Warrior did so for sport. Before Nightfall. With a build that started off using Quivering Blade and a bunch of other high-damage adrenal attacks. (I upgraded to Dragon Slash since.)

DarkNecrid · Aug 06, 2008, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

I think Construct Possession is used by the ghostly, untargettable Shiro in Sunjiang District.

Regarding killing Shiro without a stance-breaker: My Warrior did so for sport. Before Nightfall. With a build that started off using Quivering Blade and a bunch of other high-damage adrenal attacks. (I upgraded to Dragon Slash since.)

Nein, Construct Possession isn't used on him. You can see what skills monsters use in the .dat.

EternalTempest · Aug 06, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

/not signed

Shirow is a *single* lvl 20 badass
Your group is 8 lvl 20 hero's of legend aided by a powerful dragon...

Tyla · Aug 06, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by EternalTempest

/not signed

Shirow is a *single* lvl 20 badass
Your group is 8 lvl 20 hero's of legend aided by a powerful dragon...

A: Shiro is level 30, 32 in Hard Mode.

B: If it's unfair odds as you stated, wouldn't it be best to make him harder?

DarkNecrid · Aug 06, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Come on guys, BADASS. BADASS. BADASS. BADASS.

Sign that stuff.

Also yes it is 8v1, so he should be challenging to accomodate those odds...

Kanyatta · Aug 06, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Kanyatta, it's badass dude.

I mean come on, it's like emo Shiro except he kills your party when he slices himself, clearly this should be done okay. Don't get caught up on the word choice, get caught up in what this means for Shiro...he's been crying for buffs for weeks...

OK, I would /sign something to make Shiro more difficult; but if the reasoning behind which skills to be implemented is how "badass" or "cool" it is, I just can't get on board.