Curse

EnjoyYourRequiem · Aug 06, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

I figured there would have been many, many threads about this, but I only found one in a search and it's from 2006. I don't feel it got the same things across as I wish to.

The survivor title is only available to newer characters. Older characters who may have already been chosen as one's main character were jipped. Birthday presents contradict the idea of remaking an old character. Older characters shouldn't be at a disadvantage like this.

My proposal is that all characters from before the addition of the title should be re-eligible for the title. It is a one-time activation deal and counts up to 1,337,500 exp gained without deaths. This is not hard to add into the game. Any old characters with LDoA cannot have a chance at achieving survivor.

Since characters attempting this probably have an array of achievements already, it puts more pressure on not dying because you can't remake it for another chance. Not that it is hard to not die in the first place. New characters are handed a free title, whereas old characters will need an enormous replacement title for the inability to gain survivor. Of the money-titles excluding Skill Hunter, 3 of them are relatively cheap compared to the others. Without Survivor/LDoA, a character is put into a position where they cannot get 30 titles without pouring out millions of gold or complete another decrepit title. It's complete nonsense.

I feel GWAMM is broken without 1 more achievement title, whether it be survivor for old characters, or a single title for doing every available quest in the game for your character.

Breakfast Mc Rit · Aug 06, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

It's not going to happen. If you so want GWAMM for your older character, grind out a different title. Yes, it is nonsense, but it's a game and the title is what? Just for show.

arbiter · Aug 06, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by EnjoyYourRequiem

I figured there would have been many, many threads about this

And you would be correct!

Anet should do something, but they wont, so end of story

zamial · Aug 06, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

Gwamm is not supposed to be easy. It is god walking amongst mere mortals, Not God walking amongst other gods.

I too have a old non-survivor/Ldoa main charecter. Noone claims you need to spend millions, you have 4 months to collect items to trade into consumables at x-mas alone. I bet if you start now you would have all your charecters with stacks of items to trade in.

No I am not a Gwamm but I am closing in on it, fast. I do not feel it needs to be any easier than it already is to acquire. I also believe there is a guide around here that explains how to get Gwamm, esspeccially the cash titles.

This is all about Gwamm not about survivor for old charecters. The precidence for titles has always been from day implemented. Heck I smoked 5 stacks of sparklers a week before the party animal title was implemented, I am not complaining.

/not signed, you know why.

komma · Aug 06, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

this has been discusssed before....best outcome would be for the survivor progress counter to reset after everydeath and re-appear after a certain percentage is met.

Arduin · Aug 06, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

I should say Survivor for an older character is decrepit too. What's there to do to gain Exp from when you've already completed all PvE content?

You can't go skill-capping anymore for the easy 10k exp. You can't do missions/quests anymore because you have already completed them. Only things left are playing the Elite Areas over and over or go boxing/HFFF like every other Survivor is doing. Sounds truly boring to me.

Marverick · Aug 06, 2008, 10:32 PM // 22:32

We should be able to transfer Legendary Survivor between characters. That way we can make a new character, get the title, and then transfer it onto our main. IMO the best way. If you just make it XP between deaths, grinding repeatable quests and DoA/FoW would just be too easy.

MithranArkanere · Aug 06, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Marverick

We should be able to transfer Legendary Survivor between characters. That way we can make a new character, get the title, and then transfer it onto our main. IMO the best way. If you just make it XP between deaths, grinding repeatable quests and DoA/FoW would just be too easy.

At least if they are of the same profession.

Getting this title is the same for each profession.

So at least is should be profession-wide or transferable between characters of the same profession.

Anduin · Aug 06, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by zamial

Gwamm is not supposed to be easy. It is god walking amongst mere mortals, Not God walking amongst other gods.

I too have a old non-survivor/Ldoa main charecter. Noone claims you need to spend millions, you have 4 months to collect items to trade into consumables at x-mas alone. I bet if you start now you would have all your charecters with stacks of items to trade in.

No I am not a Gwamm but I am closing in on it, fast. I do not feel it needs to be any easier than it already is to acquire. I also believe there is a guide around here that explains how to get Gwamm, esspeccially the cash titles.

This is all about Gwamm not about survivor for old charecters. The precidence for titles has always been from day implemented. Heck I smoked 5 stacks of sparklers a week before the party animal title was implemented, I am not complaining.

/not signed, you know why.

... and yet, you would still be working if this were implemented. It isn't like they are just handing it to you.

Maybe they should make a one time thing where old characters (those who were made before the title became available) can pay to have their deaths erased so they at least get one shot at it. I don't see how this isn't fair?

I have legendary survivor on one of my characters, and I got it through beating all of the Canthan and Elona missions and quests, and vanquishing some Elonian areas as well as beating some hard mode missions. I'd say I worked for it then. Why can't my first character get a shot?

It's just a game, so I don't get why people get their panties in a bunch whenever this idea appears. Does it hurt you somehow? (Not directed at the person I quoted, just a general question.)

obsidian ectoplasm · Aug 06, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Wow...never herd this before ** Sarcasim**

Lady Raenef · Aug 07, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Search is your best friend.

EnjoyYourRequiem · Aug 07, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by zamial

Gwamm is not supposed to be easy. It is god walking amongst mere mortals, Not God walking amongst other gods.

How is letting old characters get an easy title that new characters can get making it any easier?

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Originally Posted by zamial

No I am not a Gwamm but I am closing in on it, fast. I do not feel it needs to be any easier than it already is to acquire. I also believe there is a guide around here that explains how to get Gwamm, esspeccially the cash titles.

How to get wisdom - get millions of gold, hunt down UNIDs
It doesn't make getting GWAMM any easier. Characters that are less than ~2 years old can get that 30th title in a few days whereas it takes months otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

I should say Survivor for an older character is decrepit too. What's there to do to gain Exp from when you've already completed all PvE content?

You can't go skill-capping anymore for the easy 10k exp. You can't do missions/quests anymore because you have already completed them. Only things left are playing the Elite Areas over and over or go boxing/HFFF like every other Survivor is doing. Sounds truly boring to me.

Not even sure what you're trying to say here. Why wouldn't an old character just farm their xp? It being boring has nothing to do with anything here.

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

Search is your best friend.

..... You didn't even read what I said did you?

MStarfire · Aug 07, 2008, 01:27 AM // 01:27

In before close/merge/flame.

Lykan · Aug 07, 2008, 02:26 AM // 02:26

old suggestion is old

Shayne Hawke · Aug 07, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by EnjoyYourRequiem

I figured there would have been many, many threads about this, but I only found one in a search and it's from 2006. I don't feel it got the same things across as I wish to.

<snip> Any old characters with LDoA cannot have a chance at achieving survivor.

I feel GWAMM is broken without 1 more achievement title <snip>

There were lots more than one thread on changing Survivor or LDoA. You searched it wrong. In fact, if you'd just go back a few pages, you'd probably find a recent thread addressing the issue, albeit possibly locked due to previously opened threads that people still didn't search for properly.

"wah wah, i can't get my 30 titles cuz i died and i was too old." - There are other ways to get your 30th maxed title. You have no right to complain about price or time at that point, because for the sole purpose of prime functionality, the most maxed titles you'd need on your character is seven.

Suvivor is not fit to be changed until LDoA gets changed, and the only proper ways to deal with LDoA is to remove it from post-Searing characters, or to strip it altogether. After that, we can stop worrying about the exclusivity of the two titles and actually change the Survivor title into something more fitting.

zamial · Aug 07, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by EnjoyYourRequiem

How is letting old characters get an easy title that new characters can get making it any easier?

How to get wisdom - get millions of gold, hunt down UNIDs
It doesn't make getting GWAMM any easier. Characters that are less than ~2 years old can get that 30th title in a few days whereas it takes months otherwise.

How is it different? well a new charecter is well new and an old charecter already has most of the work done.

HOW TO GET WISDOM+ WITHOUT BREAKING THE BANK 101:
Our guild has this jazzy deal, I give all my gold drops to 1 person and so does everyone else. In return I get drinks. When he is done which almost is, we will change rolls. We have friends in our guild that have few titles and care little to nothing for them, I give them weapons, gold or whatever and they hand over drinks and golds to us. This can be done the fastest w/ a fast meeting and see who is closest and go from there. Realistically if no one helps each other out, no one in our guild would have half the titles they have now. Personally, I have around 6000 minutes drunk and have spent under 500 gold on drinks. If I can do it so can you. GW2 is still aways away, I am not worried about GWAMM. Selflessness is the key, I would rather there only be 1 wisdom that gets it maxed in our guild than no one, the problem is most people only think about themselves.

Why is there not a huge outrage about this same issue for LDoA for older tyrian charecters.....same boat, dif sail.

They even added in party animal to make it that much easier.

Titles start when they are implemented and go forward. Would I be upset if there was a change? no absolutly not. But many people Deleted there main toons to have a survivour when the title 1st became available, I believe that they would be upset as, they did what they had to do, we did not.

This thread is not about survivour it is about GWAMM, do not be fooled. This topic has been beaten to death and necroed to nausium.

Don Doggy · Aug 07, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Old suggestion thats not going to happen.

Solas · Aug 07, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by zamial

Gwamm is not supposed to be easy. It is god walking amongst mere mortals, Not God walking amongst other gods.

its not a question about how easy the title is to get but how everyone should have an equal chance t otry and attain it. the current alternatives are kurzick title which is around 400 hours i think while giving 1.8 mil K, or Treasure chest (4000k spent +400 hours~ with most drops worth around 200g so a total of -2000k roughly in NM) and Wisdom (5k + ~ on unid golds)
non of these are hard just time consuming.

i know you mentioneda bout your guild but really i wouldn't say that is among among the vast majority,its a rare case.
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This is all about Gwamm not about survivor for old charecters. The precidence for titles has always been from day implemented. Heck I smoked 5 stacks of sparklers a week before the party animal title was implemented, I am not complaining.[quote]
Although that is a big loss you still have the option to go for the party animal track.

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/signed i think that there should be someway to attain survivor on a character that has died once already. even the account wide LS would be nice.

if you allow people to do it over once though they will want to try again and again on the same char.

Ama Seraphim · Aug 07, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

/not signed.. if you want to keep the age.. then buy a character slot and try again..

Alastair · Aug 07, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena...ccomplishments

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Account-based Accomplishments
Because the Hall of Monuments displays accomplishments on a character-by-character basis, many players have felt strongly discouraged from playing multiple characters. To allow greater freedom in play style, we are changing the design for the Hall of Monuments. Accomplishments will be transferred to Guild Wars 2 on an account-by-account basis, and players will have the option of displaying their accomplishments by account or by character in the Hall of Monuments. (Please note that the armor statues in the Monument to Resilience will reflect the appearance of the character currently in the Hall of Monuments, not the character that originally displayed that armor set.)

here. It doesn't help with your main character, but it will help out for GW2 if you get survivor on another character. maybe...

-Alastair