Curse

RedStar · Aug 24, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

I don't get offended by words, but some people do.

The chat filter isn't a solution...I mean most people don't write correctly (like biatch).

Also, you don't speak with the same language to your friend and to strangers...do you ? Like I said, some people get offended very easily.

Dr.Jones · Aug 24, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

For the last time: The filter is NOT the solution against bad language and does not excuse it.

It's a PARTIAL MEASURE just in case people do not follow the rules.

You must follow the rules and us proper language only regardless of the chat filter, since such language is forbidden by the EULA itself.

If you want to be a dirty loudmouth... well... DON'T.

Proper language is the only valid language, you can be the evilest demon of hell or the darkest anti-hero, and yet you MUST use proper language only. Not a single swearword should be allowed.

If you read wut i wrote you would have noticed that i said if they added a way to add words to the filter it would fix any problems people would have. L2R

Chocobo1 · Aug 24, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones

If you read wut i wrote you would have noticed that i said if they added a way to add words to the filter it would fix any problems people would have. L2R

Heh, thats the a really good idea. Also, people purposly bypassing a filter (saying fvck or something) could be reported, because obviously they are trying to biapass the filter in order to make someone who potentially doesn't want to hear it listen to them cursing.

Lady Raenef · Aug 24, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Anet makes the rules. If you actually read the EULA instead of hitting the agreement button, there's some guidelines. For example, you wouldn't keep your job as a courtesy greeter at Wal-mart if you were using foul language at walk-ins and displaying rage all day. There are guidelines that they follow. There's guidelines in life. You can use foul language in real life, but all that does is shine your immaturity and lack of intelligence to use a better descriptive word in it's place. Learn to say 'fudgecracker snapcakes" next time. No one will report that. You may even get a few chuckles then you can be a comedian. Then I'll sue you for stealing my quote.

MStarfire · Aug 24, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

I stopped reading after your second sentence. While I agree that being able to be suspended for language is bullshit (it happened to me), I'm tired of people always spouting about how they have a right to free speech.

You do NOT have any sort of right to free speech in Guild Wars. Free Speech, as spelled out by the First Amendment, means that Federal and State governments have no right to prohibit you from saying whatever you want. However, Guild Wars is a private service offered by NCSoft, and while you're playing, the Constitution does NOT apply to you. You agree to abide by their TOS every time you login.

While you're right that the language rules are full of shit and need to be removed, you can't use the First Amendment as your rationale.

Hanging Man · Aug 24, 2008, 11:16 PM // 23:16

I agree on the fact that there is a language filter in place, and is recommended for the younger players in the game. But taking out the entire /report is a bad idea. People who say offensive things towards other people more than deserve to be /reported. But getting reported for using swear words, is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO stupid.

Cale Roughstar · Aug 24, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36

As was kindly posted on the first page, the verbal abuse /report function does NOT apply to swear words. Verbal abuse applies to one thing and that is... abuse! When the OP's buddy called someone an f'ing asshole, he was reported for abusing the other player. He could have called him a "vapid slag whose brains are the size of peas." and the ban still would have been just as deserved. It was abuse, and that is what A-Net does not want. They want a friendly enviornment where we can all get togeather, play the game without being insulted, and then go sing kumbya afterwards

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The fact that he used swear words made the offended party much more likely to report him, but it all comes down to abuse.

Both sides do have to remember that it is JUST a game, people will screw up, and people will screw you over and sometimes the only thing you want to do is just beat them over the head with a 2x4 but that doesnt mean that calling them names is appropriate.

Kindergarden anyone?

However, I do agree that the idea for banning someone for using curse words is stupid, as the chat filter IS there for a reason. Don't like the cussing, turn off the cussing! The aforementioned ability to add words to the filter is a great idea for those with more tender ears.

Chocobo1 · Aug 25, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by MStarfire

I stopped reading after your second sentence. While I agree that being able to be suspended for language is bullshit (it happened to me), I'm tired of people always spouting about how they have a right to free speech.

You do NOT have any sort of right to free speech in Guild Wars. Free Speech, as spelled out by the First Amendment, means that Federal and State governments have no right to prohibit you from saying whatever you want. However, Guild Wars is a private service offered by NCSoft, and while you're playing, the Constitution does NOT apply to you. You agree to abide by their TOS every time you login.

While you're right that the language rules are full of shit and need to be removed, you can't use the First Amendment as your rationale.

You really make my head hurt. Seriously. How many posts have I made telling people they need to read more than the first post -_-;.

Anyways, yeah I agree that if he called someone a fcking asshole or whatever he can be banned, but it was more how we swore during our CoF run because something bad happened and we got ripped off because they decided they didnt need to pay because of the swearing. I'm not going to lose my account for like 3 days or a week because of 2 plat but it's still annoying how they can do that when it was really obvious it wasn't actually offensive to them, they were just cheapskating it.

gremlin · Aug 25, 2008, 01:22 AM // 01:22

I look forward to my gw dat file increasing by 50% to cover the swear filter.

This must of course cover all languages from ancient dead languages to made up ones such as Kilngon.
Then all the misspellings abbreviations rhyming slang and other methods designed to make the meaning clear while bypassing the filters.
Then there is the army of moderators to act upon complaints.
The inevitable arguments about he said she said etc.

Its a lot easier to stop such people being able to exercise their free will for a short time or even permanently if they don't take the hint.
In real life if someone bangs on your door swearing or playing their TV loud all night.
Local government seldom suggests you invest in earplugs they take action and fine individuals and even kick them out of town.
As in real life so it is in the game expect reprisals for bucking the system.

The right to do something also comes with the responsibility to not abuse that right.

Chocobo1 · Aug 25, 2008, 10:49 AM // 10:49

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Originally Posted by gremlin

I look forward to my gw dat file increasing by 50% to cover the swear filter.

This must of course cover all languages from ancient dead languages to made up ones such as Kilngon.
Then all the misspellings abbreviations rhyming slang and other methods designed to make the meaning clear while bypassing the filters.
Then there is the army of moderators to act upon complaints.
The inevitable arguments about he said she said etc.

Its a lot easier to stop such people being able to exercise their free will for a short time or even permanently if they don't take the hint.
In real life if someone bangs on your door swearing or playing their TV loud all night.
Local government seldom suggests you invest in earplugs they take action and fine individuals and even kick them out of town.
As in real life so it is in the game expect reprisals for bucking the system.

The right to do something also comes with the responsibility to not abuse that right.

Alright enough with the stupid comparisons. Swearing on occassion when it is acceptable such as something really screws up cannot be compared to someone coming up to your door and swearing nonstop. It's not the point at all, those people can be banned I don't really care. They are just trying to cause a problem. Le sigh le sigh le sigh.

natmarie21 · Aug 25, 2008, 01:51 PM // 13:51

hell, i know a 7 yr old who plays the game, so dropping the f-bomb isn't very wise. you can say it to yourself, but why type it? if someone goes + aggro'es an entire mob, or annoys you, yeah, you can say, 'why the hell did you do that?', or simply shout at them not to do it again, but using the f-word isn't neccerssary. the report section is for those who are racist, serial swearers, and just plain abusive, and seeing as there are so many of those people out there sadly, ANet won't get rid of it.

fireflyry · Aug 25, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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Originally Posted by George Washington

“The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low that every person of sense and character detests and despises it”

In saying I have thick skin and have never reported anyone for saying anything.It's a game, I don't take it personally, GW is not serious business.

A few points though:

Non-subscription games are rife with bad language, as such they are just as rife with those that detest it and are anally retentive enough to report every little thing they take offense to.

Speaking from my personal experience I have never encountered the amount of abusive idiots as I have playing GW and as such the fact people get banned for it hardly surprises me.

Offensive is subjectively and personally defined.

You have no input in that definition what-so-ever.

If it's an issue for you there is a blatantly obvious solution.Change the way you interact with others.

Simple.

sigshane · Aug 25, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

/UNsigned.

Do you have kids, OP? And if you do, does it not make you cringe when at the ball park, or McDonalds, with your kids, and someone in there exercises his constitutional rights by spewing language that would be considered foul in HELL, not two feet from your child? Or better, how about the look on your kid(s) face(s) when you have just finished vomiting forth such language in their presence? Do you do that? I mean, it's protected, right? Your speech?

And do you know how much MORE effort it takes to actually type in profanity, than just to swear to yourself at the computer? Noone else needs to read your profanity, do they?

MithranArkanere · Aug 25, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones

If you read wut i wrote you would have noticed that i said if they added a way to add words to the filter it would fix any problems people would have. L2R

Once more yet again. The filter is NOT an excuse.

If Spanish 'Nigro' stands for 'Nigromante' (necromancer).
You cannot make a successful filter for all available languages at the same time.

If someone use improper language, the fault is his. It's not fault of the ones listening.

If someone shots you with a gun, it's your fault for not dodging? No. It's fault of the one shooting.
This is the same. People must refrain from using bad words, not prevent listening other's bad words.

gremlin · Aug 25, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Alright enough with the stupid comparisons. Swearing on occassion when it is acceptable such as something really screws up cannot be compared to someone coming up to your door and swearing nonstop. It's not the point at all, those people can be banned I don't really care. They are just trying to cause a problem. Le sigh le sigh le sigh.

Ok I may have gone a little OTT with my comparison.

But while my example had one person swearing none stop and you may swear once in a night its not a fair comparison sure I see that.

But wait your not the only one swearing you and many others swearing means the overall effect is similar.

I am not too worried as I seem to miss most of this when I am online.
Is all the trouble on none UK servers ?

Dr.Jones · Aug 25, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Once more yet again. The filter is NOT an excuse.

If Spanish 'Nigro' stands for 'Nigromante' (necromancer).
You cannot make a successful filter for all available languages at the same time.

If someone use improper language, the fault is his. It's not fault of the ones listening.

If someone shots you with a gun, it's your fault for not dodging? No. It's fault of the one shooting.
This is the same. People must refrain from using bad words, not prevent listening other's bad words.

because a gun and bad language are on par with each other...... no argument about who's fault it is but when it comes to lange i have never had anyone say anything to me that was so harmful/ hateful that botherd me for a week and that's because the people i am playing with don't know me because its a game! and belive me people have said a lot of shity things about me in my guild. but i dont care about what they say because they dont know me. and none of you know me.

the grate thing about the internet is you could be chating with some one who in real live you would have never talked to in a million years. you cant see race or sexualty, or what sex they are over the internet. the only information you know about some one else is the infromation they tell you.

Chocobo1 · Aug 26, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by natmarie21

hell, i know a 7 yr old who plays the game, so dropping the f-bomb isn't very wise. you can say it to yourself, but why type it? if someone goes + aggro'es an entire mob, or annoys you, yeah, you can say, 'why the hell did you do that?', or simply shout at them not to do it again, but using the f-word isn't neccerssary. the report section is for those who are racist, serial swearers, and just plain abusive, and seeing as there are so many of those people out there sadly, ANet won't get rid of it.

Well uh the game is rated mature. 7 year old aren't mature, so if there parents can't control what they buy for there kids then it's not my fault. This thread has gone from quoting the EULA to stuid comparisons. It's quite funny. Theres also the view that everyone who swears is doing it constantly. This is about the one off occassion, used appropriately (yes, you can argue swearing isn't appropriate but to be honest I see them as words that strongly express anger or dislike at a situation, therefore in my opinion there is a place to use them).

HawkofStorms · Aug 26, 2008, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Well uh the game is rated mature. 7 year old aren't mature, so if there parents can't control what they buy for there kids then it's not my fault. This thread has gone from quoting the EULA to stuid comparisons. It's quite funny. Theres also the view that everyone who swears is doing it constantly. This is about the one off occassion, used appropriately (yes, you can argue swearing isn't appropriate but to be honest I see them as words that strongly express anger or dislike at a situation, therefore in my opinion there is a place to use them).

Yes, that is why you swore (and was blocked by the filter) multiple times in your openning post, because you don't swear all the time and only do it on one off occassions.
/sarcasm

JupiterStarWarrior · Aug 26, 2008, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Well uh the game is rated mature. ...

Actually, the rating of the game is Teen, not Mature.

Master Fuhon · Aug 26, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56

If you are using the word F*** for any of its various sexual connotations or to provoke someone, you earned the ban. There are other unique cases:

I F***ed up - which I've never heard over the internet, no one ever admits to being wrong
F*** (uttered as an exclamation of frustration) - having a temper only makes it funnier for the guy who gets you banned
What the F*** was that? - why are you wasting the time to type out the two words in the middle

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Just because someone uses "the N word" doesn't make them racist. I have a few black friends and when we're out and about and stuff, "the N word" is used pretty loosely because they know me and my white friends are not racist. The amount of people who use racial slurs is far and away greater than the actual amount of racists. Grow up and live in the real world, not everything is sunshine, candy and rainbows and never will be. I have a different opinion about racist actions, obviously (KKK, racial profiling, etc.)

Actual usage of the N word is a guarantee of ignorance if not racism. (I'm white saying this) Pronounced with the -er at the end, and it's widely recognized as being used to degrade another person. Even black people use it against other black people as a sign of contempt.

If you talk about how people end the word with -a, consider that the word has been used for centuries only by racists. I would believe that the pronunciation of the word was changed on purpose to instill racial pride at not being offended by a word that has always been used to offend.

Grow up, read history, get off the internet, live in the real world where there is an attempt at diversity. Racial relations are still tentative in most of the US. You did not indicate your race, but consider yourself lucky that your black friends have tolerance. Really, it's a credit to them for understanding you don't mean anything by it.

But in specifics to what the thread has been about, I think racial slurs are far worse than other swears and I can't find a single reason why the ban wouldn't be justified in those cases. I'm also kind of laughing at the supposed rights being attributed by free speech here.