Curse

Halimahdance · Sep 13, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

After weeks of farming for Rubies and Sapphires and just getting Glittering Dust, I wonder why there isn't an Artisan who would craft a gem. Not make it too easy - alot of Dust (I sure have plenty), gold and whatever else.

I know that they can be acquired via the Vabbian Trade Official for Trade Contracts, but there are only so many of those to be had. Also, the price fluctuation on the gems at the Rare Material Trader is so varied by the time I get the required Platinum to buy a single one, the price has changed, and rarely are they cheaper.

A11Eur0 · Sep 13, 2008, 02:23 AM // 02:23

farm hard mode elementals in old ascalon, they have a rather high gem drop rate. In a month of farming casually I think I had about 10 of each.

AKB48 · Sep 13, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

farm hard mode elementals in old ascalon, they have a rather high gem drop rate. In a month of farming casually I think I had about 10 of each.

yeah....in a month u get 20 gems.....gg w/ that

Demonstar · Sep 13, 2008, 03:24 AM // 03:24

The point of gems is they're supposed to be rare.

Ya know, like what ectos used to be.

glacialphoenix · Sep 13, 2008, 05:33 AM // 05:33

They're supposed to be rare, yes.

Also, you might be better off buying trade contracts.

A11Eur0 · Sep 13, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by AKB48

yeah....in a month u get 20 gems.....gg w/ that

Keeps the prices up for the rest of us who farm them as well.

You gotta pay to play. Vabbian is the second most expensive armor set in the game. keep it that way.

And you can get lucky sometimes spamming kodash WTB'ing trade contracts for 100 a piece like the other quartermaster tokens...700g for a ruby ftw.

Halimahdance · Sep 13, 2008, 01:04 PM // 13:04

I didn't realize about the HM drops. HM is still new to me - only a few days. I will try that suggestion.

I know the whole point of gems is the rarity - which is what makes it fun. I need to beat my head on the keyboard a bit less. Dust after all = $$$ which eventually = gems.

Thanks all!

MithranArkanere · Sep 13, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

There are actually three types of materials:

- Common Raw materials.
- Crafted materials. (Empty Flasks, Ink, Coal, etc...)
- Rare raw materials.

Gemstones are rare materials. You can't craft a gem or a monster eye.

So, the only thing that should be done is note the materials that can be crafted with a different description.

MagmaRed · Sep 13, 2008, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

There are actually three types of materials:

- Common Raw materials.
- Crafted materials. (Empty Flasks, Ink, Coal, etc...)
- Rare raw materials.

Gemstones are rare materials. You can't craft a gem or a monster eye.

So, the only thing that should be done is note the materials that can be crafted with a different description.

I get your point, but your examples are wrong. Tempered Glass can be salvaged or crafted. Ink can be salvaged or crafted. Charcoal can be dropped, salvaged, or crafted. Deldrimor Steel and Damask would have been better choices for your examples, as I am not aware of a way to get them without crafting them.

MithranArkanere · Sep 13, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Actually, ALL craftable materials will also can also drop, be salvaged or both.
I'm not telling those can be only crafted. I'm telling that the rest can't be crafted.
The only thing wrong was the word I used. I meant 'craftable', not 'crafted'.

The items that can be crafted are:

Bolt of Damask
Bolt of Linen
Bolt of Silk
Deldrimor Steel Ingot
Elonian Leather Square
Leather Square
Lump of Charcoal
Roll of Parchment
Roll of Vellum
Spiritwood Plank
Steel Ingot
Tempered Glass Vial
Vial of Ink

Hm... since all cratable materials are rare materials, cou could say the types are:

Common materials. Can be salvaged with both Salvage Kits and Expert Salvage Kits.
Rare Materials. Can be salvaged only with Expert Salvage Kits.
- Craftable Materials. Can be crafted in Artisans.
- Raw materials. Can't be crafted in Artisans.

A11Eur0 · Sep 13, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

What can you salvage deld. steel and damask from? I'm curious.

MithranArkanere · Sep 13, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

What can you salvage deld. steel and damask from? I'm curious.

From items previously made out of them, if you are lucky enough, XD.
But they can be actually salvaged.

Raul the Rampant · Sep 13, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

I can't say for certain as I've never done it, but I'd be willing to bet that it would be possible to salvage d. steel and damask from armor that was crafted using those materials. The chance of this happening would probably be tiny and you wouldn't get very many...

Although if that was the case you'd be able to theoretically salvage eyes and claws and anything else from armor created using them.

Edit: Beat me to it.^^

MithranArkanere · Sep 13, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Yet those can't be crafted.

See my point?

A11Eur0 · Sep 14, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

From items previously made out of them, if you are lucky enough, XD.
But they can be actually salvaged.

You know what I meant though...what monster drops can salvage into Damask and Deld steel? I haven't seen ANYTHING salvage into these items.

salvaging those materials from something you made using those materials is a given. Ecto and Shards are another couple of mats that fall into this category. But the thread is calling for either crafters, or a higher rate of salvage from monster drops, I.E. Farming. There are materials that cannot be obtained by salvaging monster drops. Saying you can salvage them from something CRAFTED using those materials is ridiculous...of course you can, but that's not exactly helpful for farmers is it? Hey, I'm going to make a vabbian cuirass and salvage it, maybe I'll get a couple RUBIES!!!! Yeah...that works wonders.

MithranArkanere · Sep 14, 2008, 01:19 AM // 01:19

All materials can be obtained.
Some mostly by crafting, some mostly by drops and some mostly by salvaging.

But you can't just craft all, or just buy them from a merchant.

Rubies CAN be salvaged from jeweled daggers.
Jade and Amber CAN be salvaged from Jade and Amber weapons.

The chance is awesomely low, but there is a chance.

Any material you can't usually obtain by salvaging or by crafting, can be crafter or bought directly in the Material Trader when there is supply.

You can't just make all rare materials craftable.

MagmaRed · Sep 14, 2008, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Some materials cannot be obtained outside of crafting them. Yes, I know you can salvage Deldrimor Steel from an armor set that used them to craft it. However, where did you get the Deldrimor Steel to craft the armor you are salvaging for it?

No monster drops Deldrimor Steel as loot.
No items that monsters drop as loot can be salvaged into Deldrimor Steel.

Damask, Elonian Leather, and Vellum are also in that list, and I think the only ones. All other materials can be found as loot dropped from a monster, or can be salvaged from loot dropped by a monster.

AKB48 · Sep 14, 2008, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Keeps the prices up for the rest of us who farm them as well.

You gotta pay to play. Vabbian is the second most expensive armor set in the game. keep it that way.

And you can get lucky sometimes spamming kodash WTB'ing trade contracts for 100 a piece like the other quartermaster tokens...700g for a ruby ftw.

But honestly....are you gonna go to some place and spam "I got the second most expensive armor in the game! Check me out!"......I personally find the armor boring, since you can't really have people say "wow, now that IS nice"

Raul the Rampant · Sep 14, 2008, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

No monster drops Deldrimor Steel as loot.
No items that monsters drop as loot can be salvaged into Deldrimor Steel.

Damask, Elonian Leather, and Vellum are also in that list, and I think the only ones. All other materials can be found as loot dropped from a monster, or can be salvaged from loot dropped by a monster.

They can drop as loot from hidden treasure in dungeons. Granted those don't particularly lend themselves to direct farming, but they can be obtained in loot form. There is also the option of buying unwanted armors from other people for the sake of salvaging, but actually doing so would be somewhat absurd. I would agree that it would make sense for d. steel, e. leather, damask and vellum to be salvageable from at least a few rare drops, though.

But I think MithranArkanere is right in that not all rare materials should be craftable; having the ability to craft eyes, claws and fangs just isn't logical given their nature. As for gems, I guess that between the asurans and dwarves that somehow they could cook something up for crafting these. It would probably be quite expensive, though, and I would be willing to bet they'd end up like charcoal in that it's more expensive to craft it than it is to just buy it from a trader anyway. In the end it could be justified, but I really don't see the need for it.

Hyper.nl · Sep 15, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Ehm, are you supposed to farm rubies and sapphires? I think you can get them far more easily with trade contracts (Nightfall quests) or buy them from the trader. (Farm gold, buy gems)

/notsigned to craft them, that would disturb the market too much.