Curse

MithranArkanere · Oct 07, 2008, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Exclusivity It's not eternal.

Real things like cars, cellphones, basic rights, citizenship... many of those were exclusive for some time... luckily they are no longer that.
The BMP was exclusive for some time.
The material storage was exclusive to Factions some time.
Heroes was exclusive to Nightfall for some time.
Same goes for elite areas, what was for some, sooner or later becomes for all.

Sooner or later, everything 'opens', and anyone can have fun.

Keeping things exclusive for those that deserve it for a lot of time it's nice.
Keeping things exclusive forever it's a huge mistake.

isamu kurosawa · Oct 07, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Then why not just give every festival hat to every account that has ever and will ever be created without any requirements? While they are at it they can stop doing end of festival events too.

This idea is and has been a bad idea every time it was suggested. There are plenty of things in life that are "you have to have been there". If you missed the event because you where doing something else then boo-hoo. You got to be at whatever you thought was more important.

This idea is made even more trivial with the recent trend in events of offering hats up to one week after the event has ended.

Shayne Hawke · Oct 07, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05

As it stands, Festival Hats are armors with 0 AL, which means they're customized because of being armors and useless because of being 0 AL.

There's no point in asking them to be uncustomized or changed until they become useful.

FelixLives · Oct 07, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

signed on one condition, to be stay in one and the same account.

/agreed

/wishes I had gotten festival hats for all my characters

Sol It Ai Re · Oct 07, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by pamelf

Attendance can however be difficult for people who move around a lot; have exams; work overseas for periods (academics, military etc) have lives etc. I don't think having no life outside a game should be rewarded. :P

My last company give away cars in a raffle at the Christmas party every year - the tickets being performance based. Trick being that you have to be at the party to win it. Last year, a guy won a TVR, but he wasn't there, and the raffle was redrawn. Had a life outside attending his work's Christmas party and lost out on an amazing car... s***t happens!

I would say the majority of people who move around a lot/work overseas often have laptops, and there's this miracle invention called wifi that most places have now, so if you were that desperate for a hat, you could still log on.

If you have exams, or something else to do on that particular day - just log on and go afk - the events last for 24 hours, giving you 8 chances to get a hat by just standing there not doing anything. Only worry you might here is that you have no self control and can't resist actually playing once you log on.

And if you are in the military, or something similar, chances are you're not going to be that fussed about getting a hat in GW that you're probably never going to wear any time other than at the next event anyway ;-)

Plus, how does being in the house for a couple of hours/long enough to log onto a computer and go afk on Hallowe'en or on Chinese New Year or the last day of the Christmas period or whatever mean that you have no life whatsoever outside of the game??

Like many people have pointed out - the hats are a novelty award for attending the event, and nobody would be interested in them if they were so freely accessible.

What's the big deal anyway, it's only a hat. Never see anybody wearing them anyway except to show off at one event that you attended the one 2 years previously!!

/unsigned

Seffapotamus · Oct 07, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

/definitely NOT signed

These hats are a novelty item, that serve no purpose rather than being a souvenir of attending an in-game event.

I am proud of having attended every festival in the history of gw, and wouldn't want this to negate my elitism.

kratimas · Oct 07, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissia

simple answer: afking, most people do it (not to mention theres 24 hours, if not more to get the hat. and no one is busy for 24 hours). the people who dont have the hats probably dont because they didnt have the game at the time or had quit, not because of the reasons youve listed. therefore, too bad. youll get others.

Not that I give a frosty crank one way or the other, but the statement in bold above is a good example of someone who can't see past the end of their own nose.

People have lives out side of the game. Like the OP said, some travel for work, or maybe have to do guard duty for a couple of weeks, this list could go on and on. Anyway there is a good chance these people don't have access to a computer or at least one that has or will ever have GW on it. Therefore they will miss the event, I am just saying that just because you have nothing but time to set around a computer doesn't mean everyone else does.

IMO, I think the hats are silly and add nothing to the game but, I know some people like and enjoy them so, why not let people have them?

MithranArkanere · Oct 07, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

New players can even get old miniatures, given time.

I'm not saying they should just be uncutomizable adn anyone getting them instantly, but people should be able to get anything after enough time has passed.

imnotyourmother · Oct 07, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

yeah they are hats. Now what really should be done is make them have ARMOR so that I can CUSTOMIZE it with RUNE's and run out there in my Scare Crow Hat insteat of this goofy helmet that I never show anyway. That would be a Practical use for festival hats

snaek · Oct 07, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

New players can even get old miniatures, given time.

I'm not saying they should just be uncutomizable adn anyone getting them instantly, but people should be able to get anything after enough time has passed.

u can obtain them...
buy an account from a gw player that has been to the event

i mean while they're at it...
they mite as well give everyone one of these: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Frog_(miniature)

Konig Des Todes · Oct 07, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

signed on one condition, to be stay in one and the same account.

This is pointless now with the hat maker.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

just make an update to make everyone's festival hat maker be able to make all hats from all past events so a new guy who starts now can get the hats from last year and so on and so on
/signed tho

I'll /sign for that. It'll prevent people from selling the Day of the Tengu mask for like 100k+200 armbraces...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissia

/not signed. if u missed it, too bad. it was a one-time hat and there will be others

I smell e-peeeen wanting. Anyways, the hats are never the same, except for Canthan New Year (this could be an exception for the weekend event?) and not everyone, such as myself, even knew about GW for some hats (and some didn't have the ability/knowledge to get certain hats).

I, for one, only found out about GW when Factions got out, and started playing during the first Dragon Festival, so I didn't even know about a hat until it was the last day of the event (and how would I go from 5 Jade Orbs, which I had no clue how I got, to 250 in a day?).

It is unfair to those who were unable to get hats, or didn't know how to get one, due to being new to the game. ANet is starting to go back on elitism it seems, so this would be one more step to be rid of it.

/sign for a week/weekend event for the hat maker (or just all of wintersday have this availible, would be a good gift), just to get rid of elitism a bit more and to give those who were unable to get hats a chance to get them (while not automatically giving them).

How about 1k to craft a hat from the hat maker when you didn't show the hat during the event? Even it out a bit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissia

simple answer: afking, most people do it (not to mention theres 24 hours, if not more to get the hat. and no one is busy for 24 hours). the people who dont have the hats probably dont because they didnt have the game at the time or had quit, not because of the reasons youve listed. therefore, too bad. youll get others.

No one is busy for 24 hours, but you can only afk for 10 hours (so you have to set it up for 9-ish hours before the first hat). And some events have multiple events, so you may only get one.

Also, and more importantly, Not everyone can get to a computer within 24 hours. Ex: Military (big chance your either too busy to set up, log in, and go afk, or your sleeping) And idk about you, but I for one don't want to set up a laptop for afking an event when others have access to your laptop....

Edit: Here's an idea *based off of MithranArkanere's idea*, why not put in a new NPC for each event, and have that guy collect like 250 of a hard to get trophy that has no purpose (like Molten Claws, very limited places to get) and 1k. That NPC will give you one past event mask of your choice for each 250 trophies and 1k.

This will make them hard to get, but each mask available for each year. Nearly everyone wins.

And another idea: Since festival hats are purely for show due to 0 AR, why not make it 5k at the hat maker and you get a version of the hat that is like Common armor. 60/70/80 AR *based on profession* and the +1 attribute. Not to mention, you can put an insignia on it...

Currently, their only use is in-town and for the farmers that need low armor and can lose the +1.

snaek · Oct 07, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

I smell e-peeeen wanting. Anyways, the hats are never the same, except for Canthan New Year (this could be an exception for the weekend event?) and not everyone, such as myself, even knew about GW for some hats (and some didn't have the ability/knowledge to get certain hats).

I, for one, only found out about GW when Factions got out, and started playing during the first Dragon Festival, so I didn't even know about a hat until it was the last day of the event (and how would I go from 5 Jade Orbs, which I had no clue how I got, to 250 in a day?).

It is unfair to those who were unable to get hats, or didn't know how to get one, due to being new to the game. ANet is starting to go back on elitism it seems, so this would be one more step to be rid of it.

/sign for a week/weekend event for the hat maker (or just all of wintersday have this availible, would be a good gift), just to get rid of elitism a bit more and to give those who were unable to get hats a chance to get them (while not automatically giving them).

How about 1k to craft a hat from the hat maker when you didn't show the hat during the event? Even it out a bit.

thats no excuse

aksing for hats
is like aksing for every day to be 3x lockpick weekend
and everyday to be double fame weekend

u snooze u looze

there will be new events, and new hats
stop crying by old hats, and be thankful that u get new hats

Absinth187 · Oct 07, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Exclusivity It's not eternal.

Real things like cars, cellphones, basic rights, citizenship... many of those were exclusive for some time... luckily they are no longer that.
The BMP was exclusive for some time.
The material storage was exclusive to Factions some time.
Heroes was exclusive to Nightfall for some time.
Same goes for elite areas, what was for some, sooner or later becomes for all.

Sooner or later, everything 'opens', and anyone can have fun.

Keeping things exclusive for those that deserve it for a lot of time it's nice.
Keeping things exclusive forever it's a huge mistake.

Dude...it's a hat. Let it go.

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s festival hat."

Lyndka · Oct 07, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

This is more of the same vein of complaint that got dropped presents 'assigned' to players at the Dragon Festival - some of us could be bothered to sit around to pick up presents - some couldn't. Some people can be bothered to attend festivals for the hat - some can't.

I know it's harsh, but if you want the hat, you have to do something for it - that's the nature of the game else where does it end?? Will it be next:- "I've been playing 3 years too - I think I deserve free Obsidian armour for my L20 monk I haven't played for over a year that I only just got through Hells Precipice".

The game presents a series of goals and targets to attain - some you achieve some you don't - sorry but that's life too - most definitely /notsigned

Lishy · Oct 07, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

Personally, I think hats should give armor.
I want to fight the Lich in a santa hat :<

Sharkman · Oct 07, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelixLives

/wishes I had gotten festival hats for all my characters

I cant tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but that is what the festival hat guy is for.

And for a little sarcasm myself, Id like to add that allowing the universal unlock of all festival hats would definately benefit my playing experience and overall satisfaction in not only Guild Wars, but my life as well.

MagmaRed · Oct 07, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10098928

Or my favorite one

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...light=festival

I'd be willing to have that done for Festival Hats, but not allow ANYONE to get ANY hat. I do not have every hat there is, and wish I had some that I am missing. However, I did not attend the events that handed them out, and so missed my chance. If this was added, I would get those missing hats, but I do not think it should be changed.

Dr.Jones · Oct 07, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

why? you can get any hat you have gotten in the past for 10g.

pamelf · Oct 07, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absinth187

Since you have said 'life', then you won't mind not getting a stupid hat, right?

/notsigned

Oh no, not at all. I don't have a single festival hat as I'm usually doing things during the festive seasons. I do however understand that festivals are difficult for people to attend (i.e. one of my friends in the army is never able to play during the seasons) and so I don't think they should be customized so friends who do have the 'luxury' or drive to play during those holidays can pick them up for them if they want one.

Operative 14 · Oct 08, 2008, 04:21 AM // 04:21

They should just make it so you can get similar hats to the past festivals. No one from Halloween 2006 complains about not getting a 2005 Pumpkin Crown, though I've seen a lot of people lamenting that they didn't get a Witches Hat.

Continue the tradition started by the Pumpkin Crown and the Yule Cap; give out similar but different hats. Those that want the hats for the sake of having a hat can get what they want, and those that are worried about the exclusivity being ruined won't have anything to worry about.

To be honest though, it seems like it would be a lot easier and less time consuming for them to just give out the old hats somehow. And for that matter, it would be nice if I could bestow my hat collection as gifts to my friends. And frankly I think enough people would feel that way that hats wouldn't got for 100k+xx ectos. (/Sign on the original idea.

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Another nice side effect of this idea would be that it would not be absolutely necessary to attend the events, so AFKer's wouldn't be lagging up the servers.