Curse

Secksy · Oct 10, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

This is a simple thread of me suggesting updates for the monsters in underworld, simply because I need to pass the time.
Note: This thread was not created thinking about farmers. If you're going to bitch because something would be harder to farm, spare me, because I don't care.

Abominations

Dead Collector
Animate Shambling Horror, Life Siphon, Unholy Feast, Well of Power, Putrid Bile
Dead Thresher
Insidious Parasite, Reckless Haste, Parasitic Bond, Pain of Disenchantment, Mark of Pain, Suffering

Behemoths

Obsidian Behemoth
Smoke Trap, Flame Trap, Dust Trap, Whirling Defenses, Natures Renewal, Keen Shot, Healing Spring

Dryders

Keeper of Souls
Soul Bind, Soul Barbs, Rigor Mortis, Rip Enchantment
Terrorweb Dryder
Glyph of Restoration, Fire Attunement, Fireball, Mark of Rodgort, Glowing Gaze, Meteor Shower, Liquid Flame, Lava Font

Ghosts

Grasping Darkness
Creature is balanced as is.
Smite Crawlers
Zealots Fire, Reversal of Fortune, Reversal of Damage, Smite Hex, Dismiss Condition, Divine Intervention, Watchful Healing
Charged Blackness
Aura of Restoration, Air Attunement, Shock, Whirlwind, Glimmering Mark, Lightning Orb, Enervating Charge, Lightning Hammer
Chaos Planes Creatures
Other than the Wailing Lords, these creatures are balanced as is.
Wailing Lord
Add monster skill: Wail of Agony
5e, 1/4c, 20r | Functionality: All foes in ear shot are interrupted and suffer 150 damage. If a spell was interrupted it is disabled for an additional 10 seconds.

Nightmares

Bladed Aatxe
Crippling Slash, Gash, Deadly Riptose, Riptose, Disciplined Stance, Savage Slash, Power Attack
Dying Nightmare
Creature is balanced as is.
Coldfire Night
Aura of Restoration, Mirror of Ice, Rust, Ice Spikes, Blurred Vision, Frigid Armor, Maelstrom
Stalking Night
Earth Attunement, Ward Against Elements, Earthquake, Aftershock, Stoneflesh Aura, Churning Earth.

Zombies

Chain Soul
Creature is balanced as is.

Luminarus · Oct 10, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Anet already got flamed for putting a factions skill in the underworld (signet of disenchantment) and then removed it. No need for most of this stuff.

Also, from what I can tall all ur doing is giving point blank aoe's to some creatures... only purpose is that you want to kill permaform farmers. If you want to do that say it...

Secksy · Oct 10, 2008, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Anet already got flamed for putting a factions skill in the underworld (signet of disenchantment) and then removed it. No need for most of this stuff.

Also, from what I can tall all ur doing is giving point blank aoe's to some creatures... only purpose is that you want to kill permaform farmers. If you want to do that say it...

I am a perma farmer.

I would just like to see ANet give elite missons back their elite status. The hell with people complaining, lol. They're core missions, not prophecies only missions, they ought to have skills from other campaigns. And like I said, I was bored.

jackinthe · Oct 10, 2008, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by Secksy

They're core missions, not prophecies only missions, they ought to have skills from other campaigns.

so being core... you want to add in more expansions?... that works...

Mordiego · Oct 10, 2008, 09:36 AM // 09:36

/signed for making UW harder. I'm always for the idea of giving elite missons back their elite status... since they are way too easy now. Not much of a challenge.

Shayne Hawke · Oct 10, 2008, 11:51 AM // 11:51

/signed to incorporate skills from Factions and Nightfall into FoW and UW. They're Core areas after all, so they should be able to use skills from any of the campaigns. Not sure where the line is to cross on EotN skills.

Zidane Ortef · Oct 10, 2008, 12:12 PM // 12:12

What part about CORE do you all not get.

CORE = skills in all three games, adding Factions and NF skills would no longer make it a core place and be very confusing to people who are not familiar to other campaigns when they get hit with skills they have never seen before.

MagmaRed · Oct 10, 2008, 01:01 PM // 13:01

UW and FoW are CORE areas. If you want to suggest changes to monster skills, consult this link first.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cate...ick_references

Sindy · Oct 10, 2008, 01:11 PM // 13:11

I'm all for suggesting changes to this or that, and I really don't care about "core skills" being in "core areas" (adds to the fun of an elite area to get whomped by a skill you haven't seen. Overpowered monster only skills...well, that's another thread.)

It would be nice, though, if you could add a brief reason why you want the changes you made. That would at least promote a discussion over alternatives and maybe in the end we would see something that actually looked like an improvement.

PS- not saying outright that your changes *aren't* an improvement, I just don't know. It's why I ask for the rationale. Of course, if your intention was not to promote discussion and just throw a random skill set together "to pass the time", then i guess mission accomplished

romeus petrus · Oct 10, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

I am all for giving UW back its "elite" status, but this is just rediculous.

Khasar · Oct 10, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

/signed for making UW harder but ONLY with core skills.

MithranArkanere · Oct 10, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

What they should get is more elite skills. But all core, of course.

ajc2123 · Oct 10, 2008, 02:52 PM // 14:52

/signed

And I don't care if its a CORE area the fact that you can access it through ANY campaign is reason enough to allow other campaign skills. PvP Is CORE (cept for HB but no one likes those except for monthly points anyways) and you have to fight against ALL campaign skills anyways for the most part.

gogo tougher elite areas!

MagmaRed · Oct 10, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

/signed

And I don't care if its a CORE area the fact that you can access it through ANY campaign is reason enough to allow other campaign skills. PvP Is CORE (cept for HB but no one likes those except for monthly points anyways) and you have to fight against ALL campaign skills anyways for the most part.

gogo tougher elite areas!

You are actually comparing PvE to PvP? Someone who owns ONLY one game (say Factions) can access UW and FoW. They will not have access to skills from Prophecies or Nightfall. They can, however, team up with people who have those games, and can use those skills. The monsters they face should only have core skills because they won't have access to the information or experience to deal with skills like Burning Arrow, Mending Touch, Ineptitude, etc. And although more people should use it, and be aware of it, not all people know about the 2 wiki's, Guru, or any other website to get info.

They restricted the core areas to core skills for MONSTERS because it kept things 'fair' for people who don't have access to the other skills. I'm still laughing at "PvP is core"......

ajc2123 · Oct 10, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

You are actually comparing PvE to PvP? Someone who owns ONLY one game (say Factions) can access UW and FoW. They will not have access to skills from Prophecies or Nightfall. They can, however, team up with people who have those games, and can use those skills. The monsters they face should only have core skills because they won't have access to the information or experience to deal with skills like Burning Arrow, Mending Touch, Ineptitude, etc. And although more people should use it, and be aware of it, not all people know about the 2 wiki's, Guru, or any other website to get info.

They restricted the core areas to core skills for MONSTERS because it kept things 'fair' for people who don't have access to the other skills. I'm still laughing at "PvP is core"......

If you add non core skills to the mix, they wont be unbeatable. you can still beat all campaigns with just core skills anyways, so the monsters SHOULD be more difficult. Nobody knew how to deal with mending touch or any other skill you mentioned when it first came out, how did we deal with it? WE LEARNED. Thats all that will happen. People with only one campaign will have to learn how to use THEIR skills to counter the other campaign skills which can be done.

I used pvp as an example because pvp is actually harder for people with one campaign against people with others, but can still be done! Why should pve ELITE areas be easier just because the monsters are limited to core skills. Granted with consets (even people without GWEN can buy them from people) and pve only skills its already super easy anyways. Just another reason to get rid of the limit of core skills only.

don;t see why everyone is so anal about keeping UW and FoW Core only. I can understand prophecies mobs having only prophecies skills, but UW and FoW? Let them be free of the silly core only restriction.

*edit* OR avoid the whole core/noncore and do what GWEN did. Make a bunch of new monster only skills (as opposed to the very few monster only skills in other campaigns) and pump up the mobs!

Age · Oct 10, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

The UW is fine as it is I would like to see it reverted back to its former day whne the game first came out.This is to put some fun back into the game it should resemble the Catacombs even with res. shrines.It looks like the Catacombs of post.

Secksy · Oct 10, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Age

The UW is fine as it is.

Being able to clear an elite mission in at least 15m-1.5 hours is not fine. No. You can't justify it. Don't try.

t3dw4rd0 · Oct 10, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by Age

The UW is fine as it is I would like to see it reverted back to its former day whne the game first came out.This is to put some fun back into the game it should resemble the Catacombs even with res. shrines.It looks like the Catacombs of post.

If I'm interpreting this right, you want rez shrines in UW?
No.

Age · Oct 10, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Well.When GW 2 comes out and there are hardly anyone playing in the UW or even FoW.I can see ToA in 2 years from not much but the henchies standing around.

I dare pug group today can do the UW this way when you read about all the bad pug threads in Riverside Inn.You add this more pugs will QQ.

MisterT69 · Oct 10, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Leave it, i like clearing UW in 15 mins. It's not that it's TOO easy, it's just we've become very efficient at it. We've learned how to clear it in record time with team builds that require amazing sync. So it's not our fault it's being cleared too fast. With any other team build besides terraway, you're looking at a 1hr clear at least.