Curse

The Blade From Hell · Mar 13, 2008, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Posted By: The Way Out
I also find it unfair that PvP players can just reroll a max character, have every skill and item accessible to them, and then be given all the items that PvE characters have to grind endlessly to get. Now they can also get armor and things that PvE player have to save gold and materials to buy. Here is x trp and I can have chaos gloves.

Erm your talking bout pvers grinding endlessly, to get 300rp takes as long as to get 1000k lol not even close, we work harder to get the rp then you do to get money so dont even bother comparing until you actually try the system.
300rp is soo fair for chaos gloves, I see nothing wrong with the idea, I still dont understand why people would not want this, it affects no one, did people complain when fow was available on rp? I dont remember complaints. Same goes here, really as long as we put in the SAME effort to get them, HOW we get them does not matter so I totally do not see a problem here.

I D E L E T E D I · Mar 14, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

Posted By: The Way Out
I also find it unfair that PvP players can just reroll a max character, have every skill and item accessible to them, and then be given all the items that PvE characters have to grind endlessly to get. Now they can also get armor and things that PvE player have to save gold and materials to buy. Here is x trp and I can have chaos gloves.

Erm your talking bout pvers grinding endlessly, to get 300rp takes as long as to get 1000k lol not even close, we work harder to get the rp then you do to get money so dont even bother comparing until you actually try the system.
300rp is soo fair for chaos gloves, I see nothing wrong with the idea, I still dont understand why people would not want this, it affects no one, did people complain when fow was available on rp? I dont remember complaints. Same goes here, really as long as we put in the SAME effort to get them, HOW we get them does not matter so I totally do not see a problem here.

People DID complain when the whole RP system was introduced but thats besides the point.

I have a question for you. You say its so hard to get the RP points and you so desperately want these fow gloves. your saying pve is so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE easy and that you only have to invest less than half the time to get the item in pve. This is all right so far or not?

Simple question i have now is. Why dont you just make a PvE character and get all those items if you are so desperate for them?
Is it because you cant be arsed to play the boring mindless part of the game that is PvE. Guild Wars is still a non grind game in the way that you dont have to grind to have max stuff. But if you want to look good, have nice skined weapons and armor you have to sit down do that boring crap and stop QQing so much.

kerpall · Mar 14, 2008, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by Arcain

I have chaos gloves in pvp, because I spent the time to earn them in PVE. I understand why you want them for pvp only chars, but honestly it isn't hard to get a PVE char to pvp spec.

PvP char: Unlock skills needed from balthazar rewards
PvE char: Unlock skills, then pay 1k or use a tome to "learn it" on your character...

It would just be much easier to let PvP characters unlock these special gloves and headgear through RP, than to make it through a campaign just for the gloves.

SkateFreek · Mar 14, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

That would be dumb. Leave it for pve. The whole point for some people is they want to play pve to build THEIR own character and then go to pvp.

PVP-only are already an unfair and cheap feature of GWs, imo. What your asking would be the same as me saying...

"I want my pve character to be able to switch out runes and mods on the fly like a pvp character."

Armor skins, weapons skins are a part of pve, they should stay NOT a part of pvp-only toons. Then half the reason for some players to even play pve is thrown out the window.

Bad enough pvp-only players don't know whats its like build a character. Wounder how many of them are the ones that run in other games sceaming their head off about being plvled.

Kanyatta · Mar 14, 2008, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by SkateFreek

PVP-only are already an unfair and cheap feature of GWs, imo. What your asking would be the same as me saying...

"I want my pve character to be able to switch out runes and mods on the fly like a pvp character."

Armor skins, weapons skins are a part of pve, they should stay NOT a part of pvp-only toons. Then half the reason for some players to even play pve is thrown out the window.

Bad enough pvp-only players don't know whats its like build a character. Wounder how many of them are the ones that run in other games sceaming their head off about being plvled.

Lolwut? Comparing Runes and Insignias to a glove skin is just plain stupid and elitist. Seriously, to unlock Fancy Armours, you need to put in much, much, much more time than to get Chaos Gloves in PvE. I could see your point if Chaos Gloves gave you like, an extra Sundering or something, but it's just a skin.

I see that you run around with FoW armour and Chaos Gloves in LA AD1 shouting "I'M T3H B3ST PLAHYAH IN T3H GAM3 F00Lz!!!", but PvP players were getting tired of having the same, tired, stale old armour/weapon skins, and the devs, and most of the community felt that PvPers should be rewarded for succeeding in their part of the game.

To say that "pvp-only players don't know whats its like build a character" is just plain dumb. If you were to go through the top ranks of PvPers, I'm sure that 98% of them have completed every campaign, and have a few PvE titles on they're RPG chars. "Building a character" in GW doesn't take much of a time commitment at all. I put an ele together from scratch to lvl 20, with all the weapon sets/armours I needed and quite a few elite skills in under 2 days, as opposed to a game like WoW or EQ where it takes months/years to build a character.

I also fail to see the statement about how PvPers in GW cry about plvling in other games has any effect on your argument.

Stockholm · Mar 14, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Lolwut? Comparing Runes and Insignias to a glove skin is just plain stupid and elitist. Seriously, to unlock Fancy Armours, you need to put in much, much, much more time than to get Chaos Gloves in PvE. I could see your point if Chaos Gloves gave you like, an extra Sundering or something, but it's just a skin.

I see that you run around with FoW armour and Chaos Gloves in LA AD1 shouting "I'M T3H B3ST PLAHYAH IN T3H GAM3 F00Lz!!!", but PvP players were getting tired of having the same, tired, stale old armour/weapon skins, and the devs, and most of the PVP-community felt that PvPers should be rewarded for succeeding in their part of the game.

To say that "pvp-only players don't know whats its like build a character" is just plain dumb. If you were to go through the top ranks of PvPers, I'm sure that 98% of them have completed every campaign, and have a few PvE titles on they're RPG chars. "Building a character" in GW doesn't take much of a time commitment at all. I put an ele together from scratch to lvl 20, with all the weapon sets/armours I needed and quite a few elite skills in under 2 days, as opposed to a game like WoW or EQ where it takes months/years to build a character.

I also fail to see the statement about how PvPers in GW cry about plvling in other games has any effect on your argument.

Fixed that for you.

The Way Out · Mar 14, 2008, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

People DID complain when the whole RP system was introduced but thats besides the point.

I have a question for you. You say its so hard to get the RP points and you so desperately want these fow gloves. your saying pve is so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE easy and that you only have to invest less than half the time to get the item in pve. This is all right so far or not?

Simple question i have now is. Why dont you just make a PvE character and get all those items if you are so desperate for them?
Is it because you cant be arsed to play the boring mindless part of the game that is PvE. Guild Wars is still a non grind game in the way that you dont have to grind to have max stuff. But if you want to look good, have nice skined weapons and armor you have to sit down do that boring crap and stop QQing so much.

Who are you talking to, I am in defense of keeping the gloves PvE? Reread my posts, numbnuts. I am a primarily PvE player that sees nothing wrong with the way things are now. It isn't difficult to get anything like that in PvE. I think it is a cop out for PvP players to skip over a large part of the game to get what they want. It is unfair to the people that grind to get it. I don't call PvP grinding unless you are going for titles. PvP is fun... grinding UW is not... powertrading is not...

Also, DELETED... stop jumping into threads and challenging people all the time without reading the entire thread, nub. If you had went back, you would have seen what I was talking about. RED ENGINE GORED is corny btw... I don't find it cool or "in".

LionZero · Mar 14, 2008, 02:18 PM // 14:18

This thread makes me lol,

On topic though why should this be a problem as far as i know 300 rp are already equal to at least 150k, and it's not like pvp chars can use it in pve.

The Toe Tag · Mar 14, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by The Blade From Hell

I dont remember complaints. Same goes here, really as long as we put in the SAME effort to get them, HOW we get them does not matter so I totally do not see a problem here.

I hated the fact pvpers can get pve stuff for rp.Whats next Turn in rp for ectos and lockpicks.
You want Pve stuff do it like the good old days: Start new char -- Lvl to 20 -- Learn skills needed -- Buy armor -- Farm weapons -- Go PvP, or is that too hard for your leetness.

But iv played the game for a while now and liked the way it use to be.
Im also one of the few ppl that enjoy both PvP-PvE...(and by PvP i dont mean RA or AB lol) and i only use pvp chars when i need to reroll fast if i dont have a REAL Char set up for the builds.

I wish they would take all the RP things out and go back to starter stuff.
PvP is about skills,not about what weapons you use or what armor you got on.
PvE is about what you can farm,how much gold you got and not about skills.

All this pvp vs pve C&@p seems like a bunch of childish S%$T.
I see why ppl dont like each side tho.
HA is full of @$$hole PvPers that think there better then everyone and PvE is full of Pugs that dont know what the $#@! there doing about anything.

......................WELCOME TO EARTH PPL!.............................

I know ppl are going to hate my comments from both sides,but i really dont care.
Why cant ppl just enjoy GW (both sides)for what it is and not complain about whats wrong with it?

Shayne Hawke · Mar 14, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

/signed if KoaBD track gets emotes.

In other words, /notsigned.

randomperson · Mar 14, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

I also find it unfair that PvP players can just reroll a max character, have every skill and item accessible to them, and then be given all the items that PvE characters have to grind endlessly to get. Now they can also get armor and things that PvE player have to save gold and materials to buy. Here is x trp and I can have chaos gloves.

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

It is unfair to the people that grind to get it. I don't call PvP grinding unless you are going for titles. PvP is fun... grinding UW is not... powertrading is not...

That IS the PvE game - if you weren't working to get that next skin or whatever, what reason do you have to play PvE? If you don't enjoy grinding UW and powertrading then why do it? It doesn't make any sense to spend hours and hours of your life getting an item which doesn't do anything if you don't enjoy it.

/signed for what it's worth, not that I'd use it myself, my RPs all go to keys anyway.

I don't see the harm of adding it and Anet were going to for a while now.

The Way Out · Mar 14, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by randomperson

That IS the PvE game - if you weren't working to get that next skin or whatever, what reason do you have to play PvE? If you don't enjoy grinding UW and powertrading then why do it? It doesn't make any sense to spend hours and hours of your life getting an item which doesn't do anything if you don't enjoy it.

/signed for what it's worth, not that I'd use it myself, my RPs all go to keys anyway.

I don't see the harm of adding it and Anet were going to for a while now.

Thank you for proving my above points. I play for titles and wealth. It is the only fun I have in the game. PvP was fun, however, there is too much anger and immaturity in much of PvP.

I don't enjoy grinding for items. I enjoy PvE, though, because not all of it is about grinding. PvP is much more fun to play and should reflect the same time restriction that PvE does in terms of item acquisition. Some people can farm rps like they are nothing. That is unfair to the person who farms ecto and relies on a drop rate generated by a SQL database from anet.

Tamuril elansar · Mar 14, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

you should be able to buy stuff of EoTN with RP's, including shiny gloves

/signed for buying it with RP's

I D E L E T E D I · Mar 14, 2008, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

Who are you talking to, I am in defense of keeping the gloves PvE? Reread my posts, numbnuts. I am a primarily PvE player that sees nothing wrong with the way things are now. It isn't difficult to get anything like that in PvE. I think it is a cop out for PvP players to skip over a large part of the game to get what they want. It is unfair to the people that grind to get it. I don't call PvP grinding unless you are going for titles. PvP is fun... grinding UW is not... powertrading is not...

Also, DELETED... stop jumping into threads and challenging people all the time without reading the entire thread, nub. If you had went back, you would have seen what I was talking about. RED ENGINE GORED is corny btw... I don't find it cool or "in".

Ok gogo hypocrite, i wasnt "challenging" you at all. I was stating my opinion to A blade from hell not you at all. Please read what i was quoting in the first place.
I agree with you that Chaos Gloves should stay PvE and that skipping out a large part of the game is wrong.

Also as far as i know this is a "Discussion Forum" and i was merely stating my opinion. And i am awfully sorry for not reading the whole topic, but the mods have deleted so many posts i couldn't be arsed to find where i had stopped last. And you dont seem to know what the GO RED ENGINE GO RED ENGINE means so check it up here
Lastly i dont mean to flame you at all, but you attacked me without having clearly read my post at all in any way. If my stand point was not clear to you, you should have asked rather than just assume something(you assumed the total opposite of what i was acctually meaning)
Anyway we cool?

randomperson · Mar 14, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

Some people can farm rps like they are nothing. That is unfair to the person who farms ecto and relies on a drop rate generated by a SQL database from anet.

I see your point, but guild wars is still supposed to be a "skill over time" game, so people who win more should be able to get things faster... in my opinion.

The Way Out · Mar 14, 2008, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by randomperson

I see your point, but guild wars is still supposed to be a "skill over time" game, so people who win more should be able to get things faster... in my opinion.

Same thing should be given to the master farmers out here. Higher drops rates, so the rich get rich and poor stay poor. lol

Gun Pierson · Mar 14, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

/not signed

PvP and PvE should be seperated when it comes to skills, items and armor at this point. I've seen a lot of lowballing towards pve on these boards. If it's that easy, I'm sure you pvp players can get the gloves in no time, even on multiple new characters. /end sarcasm

Second point, you guys don't need the gloves in pvp, you're there to play against eachother, not to show off. Fight goddammit

Sure I understand you wanne die in style, but you can't have it all. Or wait, yes you can, the old fashioned way. Or maybe just forget about the gloves, like I forgot about emotes.

You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours you know. That's how things work in life. Give and take but when the taking comes always from one side, the relation is doomed to fail. 3 years of constantly balancing skills is refreshing to some of the pve players but others don't like it at all, especially the nerfs ofcourse. I understand skills need balancing for pvp purposes, that's why I'm for a total seperation of the two.

What does pvp have to offer pve? Maybe a deal can be made.

Kanyatta · Mar 14, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Really, the only argument I've seen against this is "No, PvE-ers need more stuff because PvPers don't work for anything". Also, e-peens figure into the equation.

Honestly, answer me this, What's harder to get? ~400k, or ~1100 RP's? Seriously, I know what's more difficult to get.

The argument "PvPers should just earn it in PvE" is also void, because not everyone love love loves PvE. I personally find it difficult to endure, seriously, 3 heroes, 4 henchies, press C, press Space = you win mission = gg.

There's really no reason not to let PvPers earn it.

Stockholm · Mar 14, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Why don't some Mod mearg this with

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...26#post3757226

Seams to revolve around the same issue

serod · Mar 14, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

/signed

pvp'ers should be able to get all skins using RP