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The Woodsman · Nov 23, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

A comprehensive list of suggestions that would make the faction system better. (Side note: Although it's six suggestions they are all central to one Idea)

First: Kurzick and Luxon faction points should not be mutually exclusive.

I should be able to accumulate faction for both sides and spend it for both sides and get titles for both sides without losing faction for the opposite side every time I spend faction.

Suggestion: Spending faction for one side should not subtract faction for the other side.

Second: The amount of faction you have should not determine which faction you are for.

I'm tired of not being able to use npc's in half of factions because I have more faction of one sides than the others. Especially when npc's recognize me as a member of the opposite faction when I am in an alliance/guild of the npc's corresponding faction. Especially with the new increased faction limits, you either have to have 0 faction on both sides or have both faction caps equal and maxed to be neutral.

Suggestion: You should be identified as a member of a faction only by which alliance/guild you are a member of. Not by how much faction you have for either side.

Third: Mission books should give much more faction as a turn in reward.

The max Kurzick or Luxon title is 10,000,000 points. A title so high cannot be done just through regular gameplay. It is a grinding title. And, now that faction farming has been removed for kurzicks (and luxons have always been disadvantaged) it makes it even moreso a grinding title. Even with the highest turn in reward 120,000 faction points for a full hard mode book. You would need 83 and a 3rd books to get the full title.

Suggestion: More points for full books turned in.

Fourth: You should be able to repeat missions for faction rewards.

They added rewards of 1000 faction for completing some of the Kurzick and Luxon missions but, made the mistake of making this reward non repeatable.
Especially since the addition of books is going to allow people to do the same missions over and over to fill books for faction reward it is clear that the missions faction rewards should be repeatably given.

Suggestion: Make missions give repeatable faction rewards.

Fifth: More faction points for a completed vanquish.

After the new update you gain 50 points per kill for a completed vanquish.
There are 7 Kurzick and 7 Luxon zones(I'm not sure what unwaking waters counts as) with an average yield of 20,000 points for a completed vanquish.
This means you would have to vanquish 250 zones to gain the full title. Highly impractical and grinding to say the least.

Suggestion: Give more faction points upon completing a vanquish.

Sixth: Zones shouldn't count as inherently Kurzick or Luxon.

The alliance battle line is one of the major features of factions and as such the control of Echovald Forest and Jade Sea zones fluctuates between Kurzicks and Luxons. However the Echovald Forest and the Jade Sea currently are inherently identified as Kurzick and Luxon respectively and without recognition of who is currently controlling the zones. As such you can be in an Echovald Forest zone that is under luxon control and vanquish the entire area under a luxon priests luxon blessing gaining luxon points and gain Kurzick faction upon completion of the zone because the Echovald forest is inherently Kurzick and ignores who is currently under control of the zone when it gives you the vanquish completion bonus.(and vice versa for the Jade Sea under Kurzick control). The labeling of zones as kurzick and luxon without acknowledging who is actually in control of the zones defeats the entire purpose of the alliance battle system. In turn the possibility of giving you both luxon and kurzick faction at the same time does not make sense. A zone should be labeled as Kurzick or Luxon by which corresponding faction is currently controlling the zone and the end reward upon completion of the vanquish should be in concurrence with whichever faction is in control of the zone.

Suggestions: Don't Label Echovald forest as Kurzick and Jade Sea as Luxon. Allow for them to be counted as either or else what would be the point of the fluctuating faction line; and give the vanquish completion faction bonus based on whether the character is under a Luxon or Kurzick Blessing.

Thanks to anybody who reads this over and who can add any other suggestions to making the faction system better than it currently is.

zelgadissan · Nov 23, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

First: it should definitely be mutually exclusive. Guild Wars is not a spy game where you play a double agent. Either you're helping the Kurzicks or you're helping the Luxons. Not both.

Second: wrong again. I'm in a Kurzick guild but clearly if I have 20,000 Luxon faction I'm on the Luxons' side. I don't want my guild choosing who I can and cannot talk to, I want control of that myself.

Third: can't argue against that. I expected a lot more, especially when you consider that a HM Hero's Handbook gives you 18.75% of a full title for the same number of missions, 11 (5 of the 16 in a Hero's Handbook are automatically there, plus Minister Cho's and Zen Daijun are left out of the Shiro's Return). At the same time though there's four different reputations, so therefore I would expect no less than 18.75%/4 of a title from a full book - roughly 470,000 faction.

Fourth: don't think it's necessary but wouldn't complain if it was added.

Fifth: I'd have to do the math to compare EotN vanquishing to HM books which tbh I can't be arsed to do. You're probably right. Unwaking Waters is Luxon.

Sixth: Can't really argue it either, but I have known people who get both the Kurzick and Luxon blessing while vanquishing for +50 health and +6 regen. What then?

All in all I approve.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 23, 2008, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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