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Skyy High · Dec 21, 2008, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Most. Biased. Poll. Ever.

The "unique benefit" of the Prophecies books is that they give more xp and gold than the other campaign books. That's it. Unless you'd like to propose a new rep title for us to all /notsign, I don't see the point of this thread, since there's not a whole lot else that the book could logically give you.

zwei2stein · Dec 21, 2008, 09:03 AM // 09:03

Sweet Irony.

Yes - I don't care about PvE, gib me some free imba stuff for something i would do anyway!

No - Books aldready have purporse.

Dmitri3 · Dec 21, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55

Meh, just cause you poll is prejudiced and insults people, I'm gonna say no. And sorry, none of your arguments will work after such a vomit of a poll.

A11Eur0 · Dec 21, 2008, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

And that unique benefit would be...? More gold and experience? There's no PvE-related title or whatever in Prophecies for the book to have an extra benefit towards.

Fine, give it points to wisdom or treasure hunter. Not many...just like 100 for NM, 500 for HM. Plenty of missions to have to complete so it's not game-breaking. Maybe 250 and 750?

Konig Des Todes · Dec 21, 2008, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Fine, give it points to wisdom or treasure hunter. Not many...just like 100 for NM, 500 for HM. Plenty of missions to have to complete so it's not game-breaking. Maybe 250 and 750?

18 missions, one of which takes less then a minute, does not deserve 100/500, let alone 250/750 wisdom points.

If that was done, people would run the 18 missions for maxing those titles out. And not to mention that the wisdom and Treasure Hunter titles don't even have anything to do with the books. Wisdom can be argued, but not Treasure Hunter.

If wisdom or treasure hunter points are added, I'd say 50/100 (HM must be double, and no more, than NM).

The only way any benefits would be added to the Prophecies books would be if they expanded the Vanguard (Ascalon) and Deldrimor (Shiverpeaks) titles into Prophecies, added a Shining Blade (Maguuma, Southern Shiverpeaks, and Ring of Fire) title, a Lionguard title (Kryta areas), and a title for the Crystal Desert area (Elonian Ghost title? lol).

And people on guru will never agree to more grind titles.

Not to mention that if said titles were added, the book would have to be reduced in gold and experience given.

A11Eur0 · Dec 21, 2008, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

18 missions, one of which takes less then a minute, does not deserve 100/500, let alone 250/750 wisdom points.

If that was done, people would run the 18 missions for maxing those titles out. And not to mention that the wisdom and Treasure Hunter titles don't even have anything to do with the books. Wisdom can be argued, but not Treasure Hunter.

If wisdom or treasure hunter points are added, I'd say 50/100 (HM must be double, and no more, than NM).

The only way any benefits would be added to the Prophecies books would be if they expanded the Vanguard (Ascalon) and Deldrimor (Shiverpeaks) titles into Prophecies, added a Shining Blade (Maguuma, Southern Shiverpeaks, and Ring of Fire) title, a Lionguard title (Kryta areas), and a title for the Crystal Desert area (Elonian Ghost title? lol).

And people on guru will never agree to more grind titles.

Not to mention that if said titles were added, the book would have to be reduced in gold and experience given.

So sorry, I forgot that you have the last word on anything.
Ok my numbers were a bit high. (understatement) I didn't think too heavily about it.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 21, 2008, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Er... I don't have the last word on anything. Moderators and Anet do. ^^

I was just stating how Wisdom/Treasure Hunter wouldn't work - especially with the numbers you presented. And quite literally, the only way to give more benefits to the books without thinking of some "reasoning" - which would then be demanded by people like the OP to be given to the other books.

If Anet puts, lets say 50/100 Wisdom points in the Prophecies books. People will then want some points to Wisdom added to the Factions, Nightfall, and Eye of the North books. And they will complain for retroactivity.

How do I know? Both have already happened. People want more from the Prophecies book when the book gets a benefit the others do not, and when the books came out, people wanted (for a looong time) retroactivity with them.

Nightfallen Phoenix · Dec 21, 2008, 02:22 PM // 14:22

It would be nice to get something different off Tyrian Books. I can see players turning in, over and over, Shiro's Return and Nightfall books. They get some titles off it. Prophecy books doesn't really motivate a good reason to repeat 18 missions over and over.

/signed Besides Prophecies is the most boring campaign.

Dmitri3 · Dec 21, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by Nightfallen Phoenix

/signed Besides Prophecies is the most boring campaign.

So, wait, you want a book to motivate you to do stuff that you consider boring... Doesn't it sound, I don't know, grind-ish?

Books are fine. They're additional rewards and that's all. People did prophecies before even the end-game items and no one complained. Now you just want rewards for every freaking step that you do instead of just playing to have fun.

Nightfallen Phoenix · Dec 21, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Dmitri3

People did prophecies before even the end-game items and no one complained.

Where have you been? Players complained alot.

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Originally Posted by Dmitri3

Now you just want rewards for every freaking step that you do instead of just playing to have fun.

And this is a bad thing because? It's fun until you repeat over and over and over. That's like a professional dancer performing for free. That's just wrong.

Dmitri3 · Dec 21, 2008, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by Nightfallen Phoenix

Where have you been? Players complained alot.

And this is a bad thing because? It's fun until you repeat over and over and over. That's like a professional dancer performing for free. That's just wrong.

Professional dancer may like dancing or may actually need money to pay for food and rent. This is a game we're talking about and you're proposing to put in more grind just so you feel like it's worth your while to play it.

Uh, once again, if you're not having fun, why would you do it at all? Your real job is not enough? GW is not WoW. No monthly payments, no need to make you addicted so you always renew your subscription. I thought people appreciated that, but some apparently just got the wrong game in their hands.

P.S. As for complaining, it only started after other campaigns... You give a person a fish and he complains that you didn't give a truckload of freaking fish, cooked by finest chefs in the world.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 21, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by Nightfallen Phoenix

Where have you been? Players complained alot.

Yes, players complained a lot...LESS.

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Originally Posted by Nightfallen Phoenix

And this is a bad thing because? It's fun until you repeat over and over and over. That's like a professional dancer performing for free. That's just wrong.

But you see, that is a job, not an activity.

The books in themselves are the reward. The end-game item is the reward for going through the game once. The titles are rewards for doing the bonuses, and doing it in Hard Mode.

We don't need more rewards. If you think doing a campaign again is grind, go do a different campaign, all the campaigns grind to you? Do something else.

There are a lot more then campaign missions, there are quests, elite missions, PvP. Plenty to do.

All of it boring? Go find a different game until GW2 comes out. We all know you'll buy it just as you bought more than one GW1 game.

spirit of defeat · Dec 21, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

I'm also legendary guardian. so I have the same 'problem'
But -like most people- I also have max SS-LB.
So NF book is even more useless to me :S
And I'm currently working on my luxon title.
But I'll never do the missions so I can trade in a book for the faction.
VQ will give me more gold and faction in less time.

The Books are just so you have a reason to replay missions, and make it more appealing when a guildy asks help with a mission.

The books are not a good tool for farming.
It's a (small) reward for having fun.

Shayne Hawke · Dec 21, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Not my job to come up with that, it's theirs.

Then this thread is over. If all you can say about the book is, "I want more stuff," but you have no idea for what you want, you're pretty much just begging.

Welcome to the Suggestion forum. You suggest what ANet should do. Don't suggest that ANet should make suggestions about stuff.

Forgotton200 · Dec 21, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Then this thread is over. If all you can say about the book is, "I want more stuff," but you have no idea for what you want, you're pretty much just begging.

Welcome to the Suggestion forum. You suggest what ANet should do. Don't suggest that ANet should make suggestions about stuff.

This.

/thread.

Everyone = /unsigned. Even Anet /unsigned.

Ariena Najea · Dec 21, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Just increase the exp and gold given by the NM/HM books by a factor of 1.5/2 and problem solved.

As for the argument that the unique benefit of the Prophecies books is that they give more gold and exp, just look at how many missions must be done. Sure you don't need to get the bonus, but the total time taken to complete all of the missions is far longer in Tyria than either of the other continents.

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Originally Posted by spirit of defeat

It's a (small) reward for having fun.

Also this.

To the OP: Please make non-biased poll options, "Yes" or "No" will suffice.
To ANet: The addition of new grind-based titles makes me a sad panda

MithranArkanere · Dec 22, 2008, 01:31 PM // 13:31

The problem with prohecies it's the emptyness that starts around Kryta and Maguuma.
You don't even have to make the primary quests, and the Level 20 monsters start appearing WAY to late.

There should be a huge referenum and ask people if they want the levels and drops revamped so the Level 20 stuff starts at Kryta, the Level 24 at maguuma and the level 28 at southern shiverpeaks.

Headchopperz · Dec 24, 2008, 01:43 PM // 13:43

ur poll is biased
YES - Needs more purpose aka pick me

NO - I dont even care for pve anymore and if I can't benefit, others shouldn't either! aka if u pick me your a heartless moron....

shouldnt it be

NO - I do not wish to have a new title to farm.