Curse

Vel · Feb 23, 2009, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Suggestion: Remove Hero Battle Prediction from XTH and Double GvG Prediction Rewards.

Reason: Hopefully, concentrating on GvG winners by player-mass will put the necessary focus on this type of game-play giving GW back the reason that made it a great game. In GvG, you can deal with randomness as people still care about it. It is fun to watch and talk about. But, Hero Battles? Please. The list of qualifying participants is as obscure as the dark side of the moon. Smurfs and People farming tourney points simply killed it.

Implementation: You will earn 10 prediction points for every guild listed in their exact position (WIN), 6 points if they are off by 1 position (PLACE), 4 points if they are off by 2 positions (SHOW), and 2 points if they are off by 3 positions but still made the top 8 (LIST). ...easy peasy, ain't it?

Eragon Zarroc · Feb 23, 2009, 05:41 PM // 17:41

I absolutely agree with this as being a temporary solution to the problem.

People in HB are capable of manipulating their rank too easily because it is the decision of one person. They drop their rank on purpose, eliminating themselves from the list of people to predict. In HB it is possible to encounter top rank people just dropping through the ranks moments before the monthly so that they are able to compete against easier opponents early on in the tourny. Quite sad that there has been no public punishment of these dispicable displays of poor conduct and sportsmanship. -_- It is ridiculous and should be more of a concern to Anet than say....idk....a single forced draw in a GvG tourny match? -_-

Because of the fact that the HB ladder is so unstable, it should no longer be in the predictions. Doubling the prediction rewards for GvG will compensate for this loss so that people who make predictions are not punished for actions of people who participate in ladder manipulation within HB battles. At least until Anet is able to devise a way to prevent this from happening (i.e. intense punishment)

FoxBat · Feb 23, 2009, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Anyway, knowing how protectionist Anet is about their economy, I'd suggest 1.5x Guild Battle rewards instead. HB rewards have never been equal because they've always been far harder to predict.

Slash From The Shadows · Feb 23, 2009, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Um.....I'm not sure why you call HB players "Bad" .
You're right, there ARE some people out there in HB ( like me for exemple :P) that aren't very good in it, but at least we try, unlike you, just saying "HB sucks so i won't play it :P" , are you sure that even if it didn't suck you would be able to play it properly? I'm not talking here about the rank tanking peeps, but about those who play it fair and square, so please think about what you type BEORE you type it.

xx borat xx · Feb 23, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37

dude you get free zkeys every month, stop QQing and say thank you

HawkofStorms · Feb 23, 2009, 06:52 PM // 18:52

Eh, while I agree HB is an utter joke, its also the only other PvP format that a "tournament" actually makes sense. I see no reason to harm the (abet, very small number of) people who play HB and enjoy it just because you want to make more money with z-keys.

shump · Feb 23, 2009, 07:09 PM // 19:09

or maybe increase the amount of QPs to participate in the MAT

MMSDome · Feb 23, 2009, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

Some of the higher ranked people are immoral in the way they play by purposely dropping their ranks to be able to fight weaker opponents in early matches during the monthly or even daily tournaments. It is never said anywhere in the post that all HB players in general are bad at the game.............

How is that immoral, please tell me what is immoral about this.

Dear God please tell me this kid isn't serious.

Reverend Dr · Feb 23, 2009, 07:31 PM // 19:31

The idea was not to remove HB tournaments, merely the xunlai predictions for the tournaments. If you cared to look, many people in HB have multiple accounts all up in qualifying range. Unlike smurfs in GvG these tend to play the tourney on whatever account they feel like at the time and there are far more alts in HB roster than GvG.

Just the fact that every month there are threads up trying to predict GvG winners and little to no speculation as to HB winners, should be an indication that no one cares about HB itself. The only reason people put in HB selections is there is no cost and practically a guarantee of some reward.

The only people that care about HB are the HB players. They already have tourney rewards themselves and removing xunlai predictions isn't going to suddenly remove the only reason they continue to play HB.

Eragon Zarroc · Feb 23, 2009, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMSDome

How is that immoral, please tell me what is immoral about this.

Dear God please tell me this kid isn't serious.

...participants may not engage in any form of ladder manipulation or unsportsmanlike conduct....did so knowing that they were breaking the rules.

Source:http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:..._February_2009

Lowering your rank to fight lesser opponents is cheating and immoral from my standpoint. I do not know what type of morals you follow that do not support this.

Predictions on HB are currently incapable of being accurate when ladder manipulation is occuring the way that it does. It will remain so until Anet punishes the violaters.

enter_the_zone · Feb 23, 2009, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Good idea. Or simply force participants to have only the one Char name on the ladder, ever. Making it unchangeable after registration, even if they delete the char, similar to the friends list.

Eragon Zarroc · Feb 23, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

Good idea. Or simply force participants to have only the one Char name on the ladder, ever. Making it unchangeable after registration, even if they delete the char, similar to the friends list.

This will not prevent people from dropping their rank to the point of not being on the predictions list. This also will not prevent people from using lower ranked alternate accounts.

No longer having predictions for Hero Battles and doubling GvG predictions will of course solve the problem for people predicting, but people who still participate in HB will be still be forced to deal with fighting people that are intentionally mis-representing their rank so that they may progress further with more ease. The problem unfortunately extends far beyond people making predictions unfairly recieving less z-keys.

Until Anet is capable of dealing with the rampant ladder manipulation that occurs in HB, the original poster's idea is an extremely valid temporary solution for people who make predictions so that they may not suffer from the actions of others.

enter_the_zone · Feb 23, 2009, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

This will not prevent people from dropping their rank to the point of not being on the predictions list. This also will not prevent people from using lower ranked alternate accounts.

No longer having predictions for Hero Battles and doubling GvG predictions will of course solve the problem for people predicting, but people who still participate in HB will be still be forced to deal with fighting people that are intentionally mis-representing their rank so that they may progress further with more ease. The problem unfortunately extends far beyond people making predictions unfairly recieving less z-keys.

Until Anet is capable of dealing with the rampant ladder manipulation that occurs in HB, the original poster's idea is an extremely valid temporary solution for people who make predictions so that they may not suffer from the actions of others.

True, the ladder manipulation in HB is a thorny problem, not easily solved. At least, not without hitting the "mass ban" button again, but I'd really rather they didn't. I suppose scrapping the MAT for HB (or removing the RP's for players) is an alternative, but not sure how fair that would be to all those who play HB.

Draikin · Feb 23, 2009, 10:25 PM // 22:25

It's absolutely ridiculous how people who don't care about the format at all can come in here and claim they're "suffering" because it's not easy enough to get free reward points. Here's an easy "temporary solution" for all those people: don't vote. Obviously there are real solutions, but of course none of the people complaining here were there to help when the HB community asked Anet to update the format.

s73ve_o · Feb 23, 2009, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Draikin

It's absolutely ridiculous how people who don't care about the format at all can come in here and claim they're "suffering" because it's not easy enough to get free reward points. Here's an easy "temporary solution" for all those people: don't vote. Obviously there are real solutions, but of course none of the people complaining here were there to help when the HB community asked Anet to update the format.

while i agree that they are kind of whining about not being able to get more free reward points with easier predictions, it still doesnt change the fact that the honest people playing HB are still suffering, which is the real problem since it actually effects the game play experience for those people.

Yawgmoth · Feb 24, 2009, 12:51 AM // 00:51

HB predictions are a total random complete joke and should be removed.
It has nothing to do with what the XTH was originally designed for -
-making players who don't participate in the tournaments to be aware of their existance and of the whole competetive side of GW
-for the best tournament winners to become renown in the community
-to promote PvP as an e-sport among the masses
-to make more players interested in watching observer mode, have their favorite guilds and see how the guilds they voted for are actually doing, seeing them play
-encouraged watching obs may even lead to some of them learning to play pvp better and wanting to actively participate in tournaments
-rewarding players for their interest

It works somewhat for GvG but HB is completelly different and the biggest obstacle is that HB players often don't want to be recognized so they change names, manipulate their meaningless rating or even use whole different accounts. This makes the predictions a complete nonsense for HB and turns it into a random lottery that doesn't satisfy the functions it was designed for.

I'd vote for removing HB predictions but no doubling rewards for GvG - they're more than big enough already, and removing HB wouldn't even decrease the total amount of RPs earned much as most of them come from GvG predictions anyway, for obvious reasons.

Lycan Nibbler · Feb 24, 2009, 01:14 AM // 01:14

So let me get this right... you are bad at predicting HB winners so want to stop it so you get more RPS (due to it being easier). Yes, its hard, but if you put some effort into it, you can get an idea. Easier RPs does not mean better.
The fact is, HB is subject to more "Build Wars" than GvG due to there only being 4 chars vs 8 in GvG that allows more balance.

I proposed just halving the rewards from the predictions overall as they are messing up the economy more than anything else.

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Absinth187 · Feb 24, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMSDome

How is that immoral, please tell me what is immoral about this.

Dear God please tell me this kid isn't serious.

Do the words unsportsmanlike conduct mean anything to you? Might be too foreign for you...

HawkofStorms · Feb 24, 2009, 05:12 AM // 05:12

The simple fact is the OPs suggestion doesn't actually fix any of the problems with HB.

Whether you think the rank ladder manipulation is the biggest sin in humanity or are completely indifferent to it doesn't change the fact that this suggestion does NOTHING to change it.

Dr.Jones · Feb 24, 2009, 07:19 AM // 07:19

The "problems" with HB is HB its the Worst PVE in the game and should be removed completely. i would much rather have a Costume brawl or Sealed Deck areana. and thats what should replace HB.