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Loviatar · Feb 10, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by thunderai

I was thinking about this somemore. How do holiday hats work? We are coming up on a new holiday where their will be even more hats. What if you removed hair completly from the chars object all togehter and hair was a "hat". That solves everything actually.

since nobody knows how it is set up everything is speculation.

your idea is very interesting however

an actual possible solution rather than a simple its easy to do

what about adding a few additional event hair styles as well as hats as well?

mikkel · Feb 10, 2007, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

since nobody knows how it is set up everything is speculation.

Are we to understand this as admission that your 23 pages of telling people that they're wrong is actually all speculation, and that you have no verifiable information to substantiate the claims you've been making? That seems like a sharp U-turn from your previous position.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

your idea is very interesting however

an actual possible solution rather than a simple its easy to do

This is also a very obvious solution. It's astonishing to me that you hadn't thought of this once through all of this. Solutions like those are implied when saying that it should be a trivial problem to work around.

You're a terribly strange person, Loviatar.

thunderai · Feb 11, 2007, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by mikkel

Are we to understand this as admission that your 23 pages of telling people that they're wrong is actually all speculation, and that you have no verifiable information to substantiate the claims you've been making? That seems like a sharp U-turn from your previous position.

This is also a very obvious solution. It's astonishing to me that you hadn't thought of this once through all of this. Solutions like those are implied when saying that it should be a trivial problem to work around.

You're a terribly strange person, Loviatar.

I did not see one post where it was suggested that hair be removed from the model and use a "hat" instead, but I could have missed it. If it was mentioned this thread should have stoped right there as it seems to be the best solution and should provide the most efficient use of a database that already exisits.

We should be all grown up and not be terribly insulting either. I swear Guild Wars has gotten more rude and grude each day. Was it ever a civilized place?

Has anyone ever suggested to the programmers to replace hair with hats. Hats cover up hair which is part of the model to begin with. a New hat style would just overlay the hair. or like i said, remove hair model completly and make it a hat.

I'd love to hear from a real programmer that works on the database and programs the special events how this cant be implemented.

Loviatar · Feb 11, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by mikkel

Are we to understand this as admission that your 23 pages of telling people that they're wrong is actually all speculation, and that you have no verifiable information to substantiate the claims you've been making? That seems like a sharp U-turn from your previous position.

no reversal at all as i have been stating what was posted by Gaile not making up my own ideas up on how easy it would be

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This is also a very obvious solution. It's astonishing to me that you hadn't thought of this once through all of this. Solutions like those are implied when saying that it should be a trivial problem to work around.

and even more astonishing that you the self proclaimed expert did not dazzle us with it.

it is wonderful that you claim to have already thought of it.

Neriandal Freit · Feb 11, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Enough with the two of you, seriously.

Me, like many other here, do not understand how it is not possible when we create a character that you can not alter the hair of a character. The hair is the same as armor, it's a part of you. Thus, the armor and weapons are constantly being changed around and placed onto a character. There is every bit of the possblility that this can happen very easily. I do not see how it can't.

Now, with the two of your bickering - it's getting quiet old I'm sorry. It's very fun and amusing to many of us, but seriously, let it go you two. Neither one of you are going to out debate the other unless you get more people on one side, and to be honest it's appearing that more are leaning towards Mikkel's then Loviatars, but this is just over some observation so I won't say that for sure.

Continue this show if you must, but do understand you both are perverting this thread - which was originally intended to be more of a poll and "Hear Us!" thread. Yes yes, I know, Gaile has said they supposedly can't do this. I say we can considering what they (ANET) do every day (again, armor and weapons), and I respect the quoting of everything, but it is possible Loviatar. Armor is saved onto the database as the core of a character untill said person changes that characters armor and thus changes that accounts armor, and is wrote over again. This can be done with hair styling. Hair is but another head piece for us.

None the less, the two of you will continue this I'm sure with no reguard to many posts but continuing this onslaught of bickering. Your both even, both respectable online forum debaters, but really, where is this getting any of us?

Edit:

To end this conversation once and for all with the both of you, I present to you a post from Billard in the "Community Day Dev Roundtable Dicussion" thread.

Quote Noocoo;

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Originally Posted by noocoo

Thanks the info first,
I have a question about changing our characters' appearance.

This topic was mentioned many times before. Some players would pay their game money or cash to change their char's something.

Will we have chances to change our exist characters' hair, skin and face?

Quote Billard Response

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Originally Posted by Billiard

This was asked of the Devs and they said they know players want this. It seemed to me that this was something they were working on, but no time table had been set as of yet for offering it.

Debate over. They are working on it, no time table is set and placed. This is something that is possible and is rolling into effect.

S1CKS · Feb 11, 2007, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Hey Guys

this is a either support it or dont support it forum, an admin should be deleting these posts or what not since this is not a debate forum as to whether or not Anet CAN make this happen or CAN'T, it is also NOT a forum for debating how they have our characters set up on our house computer or their databases...... WHO CARES!!!!

If they could figure out a safe way to do this we support it... or dont for those of you that dont.. if you would like to discuss the possibility of them being able to accomplish this goal, would there not be a better forum for it?? lol

/signed

once again as I did above i support this idea, i dont see how the change could cause major problems... specially if they make it ONLY ones we could previously choose before, only the pre created colors and only the pre created styles, but the ability to modify that. So if i had purple hair before changing the color to an already preset one cant be that big of deal. i'm not a programmer and could be very wrong.. and for those of you that are gratz lol, but once again this isnt' a debate lol its a support or dont

/support
/signed

mikkel · Feb 11, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

no reversal at all as i have been stating what was posted by Gaile not making up my own ideas up on how easy it would be

Loviatar, as I have said before, many times in this thread, I haven't made up anything. Everything I have claimed has been in accordance with computing principles. Everything you have said, on the other hand, has been based on hearsay from a community manager with no known programming background.

Everything you have been saying is speculation based on unverifiable information, yet you feel it appropriate to deal in absolutes when explaining the technical feasibility of the feature, based on this unsubstantiated evidence, even in the face logical and undeniable evidence to the contrary

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

and even more astonishing that you the self proclaimed expert did not dazzle us with it.

it is wonderful that you claim to have already thought of it.

Well, Loviatar, when you fancy yourself enlightened enough to challenge the principles of computing based on sketchy information you got from a community manager of an online video game, I don't expect that you're able to comprehend an application of technology that you don't even understand.

I explained to you in great detail earlier in this thread how, if the character database was locked down, it would take an intermediate and superseding changable data set to replace this information in order for a character to be able to change their appearance.

Armour is an intermediate and superseding changable data set. It is applied onto the drawn composite model, changing, among other things, the hair.

When I explained this to you, you promptly dismissed it, citing a completely irrelevant claim made by Gaile. Now you're presented with the same information in a dumbed down way that is easier to relate to for the average player, you consider it a completely new idea.

No, I am not a self-proclaimed expert. I have it on paper that I am qualified to make the statements that I am making.

Yes, I did "dazzle" you with it, but apparently I made the critical mistake of assuming that someone who felt sure enough of his comprehension of computing to make claims as outrageous as the ones you were making would understand how one could apply a simple, fundamental and very common method of altering data, without needing to have it explained in layman's terms.

How is it that you persist in arguing an illogical and, by definition and principle, fundamentally inaccurate point when so many people are telling you how it just isn't right?

I'm not terribly interested in keeping this discussion going.

MithranArkanere · Feb 11, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

A 'read only' data entry in a database can be changed to 'read/write'. A new database can be made and data can be moved with automated processes.

Suggestions is are not about 'what can be done' they are about 'what people wants to be done'.

Leave the final decision to developers. If it can't be done, they'll say that in that or another thread, then the moderators close new similar threads saying something like 'already suggested and discarded' or even adding the link to the thread.

That is, if you are not working for Anet and have no access to the developers and the code, forget about the system, center in the idea.

If you have access to the code not being in ANet, we have a problem here... police is going to your house, mate.

The idea is:
"Add an NPC that allows partial changes in physical appearance of the characters"
Nothing else.

You like? Give it a good vote in the thread rating.
You don't like it? Give a bad vote, and say why you don't like it.
Have more ideas about it? Add them! Go ahead!
You are possitive it can't be done? You work for ANet.
You don't wor for ANet? Stop trying to make yourself important and talking about something you don't know.

Once they say it can't be done, moderators will care about that, closing threads with 'impossible' suggestions, based on previous data, and punishing those who keep ignoring the important threads, warnings and such.

In other words: "Think before typing".

Going back to the idea:

- Change Hair Styles.
- Dye hair, maybe allowing the use of dyes on hair.
- Use some hair styles of other classes when possible.

- Accesories: earrings, bandanas, hair garments...

Currently, the accesories are linked to the haris styles and armors.
They could be unlinked. So you can have a monk with the Canthan Earrings wearing the Shing Jea armor.

Remes · Feb 13, 2007, 03:41 AM // 03:41

I LOVE this idea, I would seriously appreciate ATLEAST a hair style changer. My male elementalist's, who happens to be my main, hair DRIVES ME CRAZY.. I liked it when I made him but now it annoys me. So if A Net could find it in their boundless mercy to allow for this one NPC, I would be eternally grateful ^_^.

*Alexiel* · Feb 15, 2007, 03:35 AM // 03:35

I think being able to change your characters hair (possibly face too) after creation is one of the best things Anet could add to the game. It seems such a popular idea, I really don't see any reason not to do it-ALOT of players seem so keen, why not make them happy?

Its a goal Anet always strive to achieve afterall, so I simply don't see one reason why this shouldn't be added.

I think the idea of having a stylist for these changes Is good; Paying a couple of platinum for it would perhaps be more realistic than Anet simply giving a way to access the creation screen again with your character. But I'm seriously not fussy how its done, I have just restarted way too many characters because simply get bored of their hair -.-;;

I think certain campaigns give better face choices than others for different professions, and same for hair styles.

So, if this ever DID get implemented, I think it'd be awesome if you had the option to give say, a prophecies mesmer a canthan hair style.

I think many of the canthan hairstyles look oriental influenced-fitting with the scenery of Factions, so canthan hairstyles could be granted by a local stylist in large towns such as Kaineng city; and maybe you could only access Nightfall hairstyles from Kamadan/Kodash Bazaar/any large town within Elona? Same with Tyria-Tyrian Hairstyles available from towns such as Lions Arch and Ascalon City.

New hairstyles just availble from the stylist would of course be ace too ^-^

So yeah, definitely:

/signed

Kratos Angel · Feb 15, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

For this I don't think hairstylists should offer new hairstyles, just the existing ones would be great, you can change your armor to one of the new games, so why couldn't you change your hair ? Even little free games such as Flyff (Fly for Fun) grant you to change your hair as you wish.

Predator [CD] · Feb 15, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Great idea.

/signed

Zavulon Shadow · Feb 15, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

/signed

i hate hair my monk =)))

Grimreaper23 · Feb 22, 2007, 05:40 AM // 05:40

I am totally for this since currently I want to delete my first character ever because I don't like his hair and his name.. I worked really hard on him and I want to buy 15k kurzick armor for him (alot for me) but I don't like the name or the way he looks so I am defiantly for this one!!! Anet pull through for us on this one..../Signed

~Grim

Perfected Shadow · Feb 22, 2007, 09:23 AM // 09:23

/signed

also add being able to go back to the char creation screen for some platinum or whatever

MithranArkanere · Feb 22, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Yup. Old players with 2 years old characters should have the right to use the brand new hair styles.

You could even have different stylists in each campaing, so you'll have to travel to Kamadan to give your Tyrian Female Warrior an Elonian hair style.

Etta · Feb 22, 2007, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Yeah even roller beetles can have a new paintwork on their shell! I need a new shiny hair do as well, cos I'm worth it!

*Alexiel* · Feb 24, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Yup. Old players with 2 years old characters should have the right to use the brand new hair styles.

You could even have different stylists in each campaing, so you'll have to travel to Kamadan to give your Tyrian Female Warrior an Elonian hair style.

Yus I agree with you completely! cos I also suggested this above ^-^ muwaha

Hope so much this happens, I stupidly deleted my 9 month old tyrian mesmer ages ago for a longer canthan hairstyle (though i wasnt as keen on their faces compared to prophecies ones admittedly) and she would of had a birthday present by now, but alas, I needed the character slot! Couldn't buy them at that point =(

stylist pleassseee!

Amiable · Feb 24, 2007, 05:30 AM // 05:30

In lineage 2 you could buy potions premade, example: hair potion A, would make the first choice of your character screen, hair color b would make the second etc..

That's just one thing, another thing I want is the ability to use all the hair colours, styles, skins, faces, of all the 3 campaigns no matter where you start. (If this seems too large, as in loads of hair styles stacking up in creation screen, make it possible to create a canthan character for example and make him start in tyria). Honestly they implement things in the storyline such as Mhenlo being a tyrian and was raised in cantha to study at the shing jea monastery or something like that. Mhenlo is a hero, we are all suppose to be heroes too. What's keeping my supposedly ingame parents from shipping me to elona from cantha or elona to tyria etc..

GG

[M]agna_[C]arta · Feb 24, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Please Anet Implement this^^!