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xarkle · May 06, 2009, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Personally my favorite class to play is mesmer, but i think they are incredibly underpowered in pve especially when it comes to farming which is rediculous. I propose that fast casting not only reduces time to cast, but reduces recharge time, because otherwise it is almost useless. This would make it possible to farm as a mesmer using skills like sf, or vwk and such. also to fast cast would also imply that they can cast the same spell faster over and over again so it is not that big of a stretch to allow the skill to reduce recharge

Keekles · May 06, 2009, 04:58 AM // 04:58

No. FC is good enough already. Though it's not nearly as useful as some other primaries in pve, I personally haven't had an issue with it at all. In fact, I think PVE is even easier on my mesmer because she can cast stuff fast. :/

Kiva-chan · May 06, 2009, 05:00 AM // 05:00

When I first saw the thread title, I thought you just mispelled nerf.
After reading though, I can see you were just joking ^^;

Seriously though...
Just because you can't farm with a class doesn't mean they're underpowered or their primary attribute should be buffed.
If you want to farm using SF, make a Sin.
If you want to farm using VwK, make a Rit.

I've seen several Me/Mo or Me/E solo farming builds that work well in many places...

turbo234 · May 06, 2009, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by xarkle

also to fast cast would also imply that they can cast the same spell faster over and over again so it is not that big of a stretch to allow the skill to reduce recharge

bad idea is bad. fast casting means they can cast...faster.

SmokingHotImolation · May 06, 2009, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Of you think mesmers are underpowered in pve.. youre doing it wrong.

Skyy High · May 06, 2009, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Paras can't solo farm either, that doesn't mean they're underpowered in PvE.

Commander Kanen · May 06, 2009, 12:40 PM // 12:40

The only class thats underpowerd for farming is most likley a paragon. ive only made 3 builds that can solo farm properly and all 3 can be done better with other classes. Leadership is uberly broken for farming as you need allys for energy.
being a imbagon is the best way to play as part of a pve team and SY is a war PVE only skill.

But yeah FC isnt too great for pve but its still good. i mean the PVE skill mindbender pretty much makes eles a FC nuker that can have a easy 17 in fire magic (elemental lord)with alot more energy and so on

xron · May 06, 2009, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Paras can't solo farm either, that doesn't mean they're underpowered in PvE.

It'd be hilarious if someone decided to make a thread arguing that they are

Kattar · May 06, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48

I can solo farm mesmer.

And I don't even play anymore.

Nuclfus · May 06, 2009, 03:08 PM // 15:08

[Mantra of Recovery] There you go.

I'm a mesmer primary, and I've been around in game since before Nightfall. That means I remember the old ~38 dmg empathy, the non-fast casting signets, and the overall fact that back then the mesmer was just a lightweight shell of what it is now.

Right now there is nothing wrong with the Fast Casting attribute, especially in PvE. Mesmers can save whole parties with a hard 2-second (or less) res, speed nuking + Signet of Illusions, or just plain choking the enemy with hexes before they know what hit them. As a class they were born for HM, as the increased attack and skill activation rates of mobs only mean much more damage to be reaped from Empathy/Backfire/VoR/etc. On farming: They can solo raptors, bosses, and even parts of UW.

And don't even get me started on PvP.

MetalMan · May 06, 2009, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Fast Casting is powerful enough by far. I'd argue its too powerful in the fact it effects non-mesmer skills, but thats another argument.

Don't buff it even more. Also, i haven't PvE'd in quite some time, but doesn't Me/A perma still work?

xarkle · May 06, 2009, 05:15 PM // 17:15

no, it does not still work, since most resent sf nerf, and if you want to get into paragons, i would also suggest parragons need a way to farm as well, i dont believe classes should be stuck being good at pvp or pve, i think all classes should be able to farm, and monks and assasins should rule the world in farming, because that is bs

also i suppose i mispoke on the fact that it should be pve only i guess, if you allowed this in pvp, it would be unfair

Please edit posts instead of double posting.

Verene · May 06, 2009, 05:48 PM // 17:48

It's not difficult to solo farm as a Mesmer. I do it as an Me/E...and my Mesmer is from Prophecies and hasn't even Ascended nor done the attribute quests (because I am too damn lazy to play through Prophs again right now).

FC is fine as it is. And Mesmers can be crazy-powerful once you learn the class.

alluring athena · May 06, 2009, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by xarkle

no, it does not still work, since most resent sf nerf, and if you want to get into paragons, i would also suggest paragons need a way to farm as well, i dont believe classes should be stuck being good at pvp or pve, i think all classes should be able to farm, and monks and assassins should rule the world in farming, because that is bs

You are presuming that Anet specifically planned and created skills that when combined together made monks and sins nearly impossible to kill and the sole intention was so they could be farmers.

AFAIK that's not the case. These classes can farm because some talented individuals out there came up with a series of skills that when used together properly allows these characters to farm certain places.

I suppose all classes should also be given skills that permit then to be effective runners?

Rits can heal like monks but maybe we should ensure all the other classes can heal just as effectively?

I mean according to you it's unfair that 1 class is better at something than another. So why discriminate in any context right?

majikmajikmajik · May 06, 2009, 06:15 PM // 18:15

im very suprised no one mentioned [echo] [cry of pain] [arcane echo] [cry of pain][cry of pain][cry of pain][cry of pain] mutliplied by about 4 or 5 players using it. i know the formula probably isnt right, but im sure you get the drift.

alluring athena · May 06, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Just need a Mesmer hex FTW

Karate Jesus · May 06, 2009, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by xarkle

Personally my favorite class to play is mesmer, but i think they are incredibly underpowered in pve especially when it comes to farming which is rediculous. I propose that fast casting not only reduces time to cast, but reduces recharge time, because otherwise it is almost useless. This would make it possible to farm as a mesmer using skills like sf, or vwk and such. also to fast cast would also imply that they can cast the same spell faster over and over again so it is not that big of a stretch to allow the skill to reduce recharge

55 VoR Mesmers can farm easily. And I'm sure there are plenty of other builds that can farm just as well.

Green Chiken · May 06, 2009, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Mesmers do GREAT in pve and pvp and can solo farm. Im guessing that you dont know how to play Mesmer and thats why you dont know how Fast Casting makes a big difference in casting spells and such.

xarkle · May 07, 2009, 12:35 AM // 00:35

if you think mesmers can solo farm great tell me some spots that they can BESIDES raptors

Faer · May 07, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by xarkle

if you think mesmers can solo farm great tell me some spots that they can BESIDES raptors

They can solo Underworld.