Curse

Zodiac Meteor · May 20, 2009, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Ok, so the April update was great… but now we want more! So I came with an idea to make custom PvE skills without breaking the already cracking PvE.

This is broken into many parts and is extremely hard to organize. So Bare with me, here is a summery: Those that don't read this DON'T get the readers award.
You can create custom PvE skills, the skills has a formula that you add points to make the skill stronger. You can add or subtract total points to the skill. The max points = 10, which you can use on customizing the skill. The stronger the effect (75% chance to block), the more points it uses (-4). If it has a negative effect (exhaustion), it adds more points (+2). There is bonuses that you can use, but the skill activates only when a condition is meet. The animation equils the skill type. If it is an enchantment, you can use previous animations with a different color hue, samething with AoE, double strikes, hex spells etc. Keep in mind the balancing and other things isn't complete.

You get skills by getting 1 gold Zaishen Gold to trade for Custom Skill Token (which is trade able). Give it to a Skill Maker and it brings up a selection menu (must like the picture example but not sucky). There you can obtain custom skills and you can level the skills by trading skill points to him.

Making Custom Skill Tokens trade able and Star of Transference actually worth something with make a insane money dump.

Let’s get to skill leveling. These of course have no attributes. So they get stronger with, get ready for it, skill points! You must spend skill points to Skill Makers.
Required amount of skill points:

Code:

  Level = Skill Points
  2 = 2
  3 = 4
  4 = 5
  5 = 7
  6 = 10
  7 = 14
  8 = 16
  9 = 20
  10 = 22

To get 1 custom skill to max is 100 skill points.

When you create a skill, you get 10 points which you can spend on a skill. The numbers next to the skill indicate the amount spent and gains (-2, +1, -3 etc.)

Here is a picture example:

TYPE:

Code:

  Spells -0
  Enchantments -0
  Hexes -0
  Item Spells -0
  Melee Attacks -0
  Axe Attacks -0
  Bow Attacks -0
  Dual Attacks -0
  Lead Attacks -0
  Off-Hand Attacks -0
  Scythe Attacks -0
  Spear Attacks -0
  Sword Attacks-0
  Pet Attacks -0
  Preparations -0
  Binding Rituals -0
  Nature Rituals -0
  Shouts -0
  Signets -5
  Stances -0
  Traps +1
  Wards -2
  Weapon Spells -1
  Wells -1

Code:

  Elite:
  Elite skills (+4)
  Skill (-0)

Now there is ATTRIBUTES categories:

Code:

  Recharge time:
  60 (+4)
  45 (+3)
  30 (+2)
  25 (+1)
  20 (-0)
  15 (-1)
  10 (-2)
  8 (-3)
  5 (-4)
  3 (-5)
  2 (-6)
  1 (-7)

Code:

  Casting time:
  5 (+5)
  3 (+1)
  2 (-0)
  1 (-1)
  ¾ (-2)
  ½ (-3)
  ¼ (-4)

Code:

  Energy Cost:
  25 (+3)
  15 (+1)
  10 (-1)
  5 (-3)
  1 (-4)

Code:

  Adrenaline Cost
  10 (+4)
  9 (+3)
  8 (+2)
  7 (+1)
  6 (-0)
  5 (-1)
  4 (-2)
  3 (-3)
  2 (-4)
  1 (-5)

Code:

  Only for Enchantments / hexes / conditions / shouts / preparations / weapon spells / stance / Signet:
  3…6 (-1)
  7…11 (-2)
  12…15 (-3)
  16…20 (-4)
  21…25 (-5)
  26…30 (-6)

Next is WHAT IT DOES categories: You can pick 1-3:

Code:

  Adrenaline gain
  When attacking
  20…38% (-3)
  39…53% (-5)
  54…78% (-7)
  79…100% (-9)
  When attack/take damage
  +1…2 (-3)
  +3…4 (-5)
  +5…6 (-8)

Code:

  Armor penetration 
  5…12 (-2)
  13…20 (-3)

Code:

  Blocking
  Chance to block:
  25…33% (-2)
  34…52% (-3)
  53…75% (-4)

Code:

  Critical hits -1
  Chance for critical:
  10…21 (-1)
  22…34 (-2)
  35…45 (-4)

Code:

  Energy 
  Energy gain each skill activated:
  1 (-4)
  2 (-6)
  3 (-7)
  4 (-9)
  5 (-10)
  6 (-12)
  7 (-15)

Code:

  Exhaustion (+2)

Code:

  Max Health (-0)
  Increase max health by:
  50…75 (-0)
  76…90 (-1)
  91…121 (-2)
  122…156 (-3)
  157…205 (-4)

Code:


	Code:
	  Healing/Damage
   
  Holy damage (-3)
  Cold damage (-0)
  Earth damage (-0)
  Fire damage (-0)
  Lightning damage (-0)
  Physical damage (-0)
  Shadow damage (-3)
  Life Stealing (-1)
  Touch (+1)
  
	Code:
	  Healing:
  50…74 (-0)
  75…99 (-1)
  100…124 (-2)
  125…149 (-3)
  150…174 (-4)
  175…200 (-5)
  201…250 (-6)
   
  Damage:
  10…20 (-1)
  21…28 (-2)
  29…37 (-3)
  38…46 (-4)
  47…53 (-5)
  54…61 (-6)
  62…76 (-7)
  77…87 (-8)
  88…99 (-9)
  100…110 (-10)
   
  Life Steal:
  8…15 (-2)
  16…28 (-3)
  29…36 (-4)
  37…45 (-5)
  46…58 (-6)
  59…70 (-7)
   
  Increase damage by:
  10…19% (-2)
  20…29% (-3)
  30…39% (-4)
  40…49% (-5)
  50…60% (-6)
   
  Double Attack: (-3)

Code:

  Interruption (-1)

Code:

  Knockdown 
  2 seconds (-3)
  3 seconds (-4)

Code:

  Sacrifice
  Sacrifice:
  50% (+5)
  33% (+4)
  17% (+3)
  10% (+2)
  5% (+1)

Code:

  Shadow step
  To ally (-1)
  To foe (-3)

Code:

  Spirit
  Binding Rituals Duration:
  1…10 (-1)
  11…20 (-2)
  21…30 (-3)
  31…40 (-4)
  41…50 (-5)
  51…60 (-6)
   
  Nature Rituals: (-9)
  1…15 (-1)
  16…30 (-2)
  31…45 (-3)
  46…60 (-4)
  61…75 (–5)
  76…90 (-6)

Code:

  Area of Effect Duration:
  10 seconds -7
  7 seconds -6
  5 seconds -5
  3 seconds -3
   
  Area of Effect:
  Ally:
  Party Members (-7)
  In the Area (-4)
  Nearby (-3)
  Adjacent (-2)
   
  Foe:
  In the Area (-5)
  Nearby (-3)
  Adjacent (-2)

Code:

  Attack Speed
  +30% (-3)
  +20% (-2)
  +10% (-1)
  -10% (+1)
  -20% (+2)
  -30% (+4)

Code:

  Movement Speed:
  -20% (+2)
  -10% (+1)
  10% (-1)
  20% (-2)
  30% (-3)
  40% (-5)
  50% (-6)

Code:

  Damage Reduction
   
  Reduce Damage by:
  10…19% (-2)
  20…29% (-3)
  30…39% (-4)
  40…49% (-5)
  50…60% (-6)
   
  Armor Gain:
  +7…15 (-2)
  +16…23 (-3)
  +24…32 (-4)
  +33…45 (-5)
  +45…60 (-6)

Code:

  Recharge Time of skills:
  +30% (+3)
  +20% (+2)
  +10% (+1)
  -10% (-2)
  -20% (-4)
  -30% (-6)
  -40% (-9)
  -50% (-10)

Code:

  Conditions apply:
  Bleeding (-1)
  Blindness (-2)
  Burning (-1)
  Cracked Armor (-1)
  Crippled (-1)
  Daze (-2)
  Deep Wound (-1)
  Disease (-1)
  Poison (-1)
  Weakness (-1)

BONUS Categories: Pick 0-1

Code:

  Affects if ally or foe is below # health:
  25% +3
  50% +2
  75% +1
   
  Misc. IF…
  Applies every time foe/ally attacks -4
  Applies every time foe/ally cast a spell -4
  Foe is knockdown +2
  Suffering from a condition +1
  Suffering from a hex +1
  Next time foe casts a spell +1
  Next time foe attacks +1
  While ally/foe is attacking/casting a spell +2
  Ends when take damage +2
Cannot target self +1

A few examples:
Super Heal Party: Elite (+4) Spell (-0) – [1 of 3] Sacrifice 50% health (+5), [2 of 3] Heal All Party Members (-7) [3 of 3] 150 health (-4).

Energy 10 (-10)
Recharge - 3 (-5)
Casting time – 3/4 (-2)

Spear of God: Spear attack (0) Deals +50 (-5) damage [1 of 3].

Recharge – 0
Casting time – 0
Adrenaline – 1 (-5)

Signet Of Armor: Signet (-5) – For 7-11 seconds (-2) Attack 30% slower (+4). Gain 50 armor (-6).

Recharge 15 (-1)
Energy -0 (-5)
Casting time 3 (+1)

Trap Pwn: Elite (+4) Trap (+1): For 10 seconds (-7). Foes in the Trap takes 60 (-6) holy damage. (-3)[1 of 3]. While foes are casting a spell (+2) [1 of 1] they are knockdown (-2) [2 of 3]. This causes exhaustion (+2) [3 of 3].

Recharge 30 (+2)
Energy 10 (-1)
Casting time (-1)

Daisuko · May 20, 2009, 04:30 AM // 04:30

Dumb idea is dumb. we don't need moar skills. in fact, in gw2 they said they're probably greatly decrease the number of skills available and just give the skills a greater range of applications.

EDIT : Also, this would be SO easy to abuse. make yourself attack considerably slower as a caster (attacking doesn't matter) ect. You could very VERY easily make some considerably broken skills.

Azure mist · May 20, 2009, 04:53 AM // 04:53

I can appreciate all of the time you spent but isn't pve easy enough? I mean people are ripping through uw @ 19 mins on a typical uwsc. Before pve only skills a clear could take 2++ hours??

Good, original idea. Simply, Unnecessary.
You can vanq a 8man area in HM with you and 3 heroes.. No need for anything easier

themadhatterxxx · May 20, 2009, 04:55 AM // 04:55

Holy * * * * wtf

Nerel · May 20, 2009, 05:20 AM // 05:20

It was a bad idea every other time someone suggested adding user customizable skills, including tables to show how it would work does nothing to diminish that bad.

So, in short... no.

MirkoTeran · May 20, 2009, 05:24 AM // 05:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

It was a bad idea every other time someone suggested adding user customizable skills, including tables to show how it would work does nothing to diminish that bad.

This.

PvE skills were bad idea to start with, adding more sure won't help. And the balance is hard to do with 'fixed' skills, so no need to add more factors into balancing equation.

Daisuko · May 20, 2009, 05:41 AM // 05:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

This.

PvE skills were bad idea to start with, adding more sure won't help. And the balance is hard to do with 'fixed' skills, so no need to add more factors into balancing equation.

well look at one of the skills he listed.. "spear of god" 1 adrenaline, +50 damage. lolwut?

**Marty Silverblade** · May 20, 2009, 06:04 AM // 06:04

Being able to modify practically any factor will just lead to sacrificing stuff thats absolutely useless to that profession and in return get some uber powerful gimmick.

As screwed up as PvE is, that doesn't sound like fun. One of the biggest /notsigneds I've given.

Mordiego · May 20, 2009, 09:29 AM // 09:29

Pve only skills are too powerfull already. Some of them (cry, PI, Finish him, U move like a dwarf...) are waay better than a few elites so I can't see any point in stimulating this area of gameplay.
/notsigned

zwei2stein · May 20, 2009, 10:40 AM // 10:40

WoW ... just ... WoW

/facepalm

Minmaxing abuse potential should be just too damn obvious.

Arduin · May 20, 2009, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Hmmm...if Anet already can't cope with balancing the skills as they are nowadays, I'd hate to see them screwing it up even more with your idea of an infathomable amount of skill variations.

Maybe something for GW2

Crom The Pale · May 20, 2009, 10:42 AM // 10:42

I like the general idea but not his application. My idea was something slightly different;

1 Elite PvE only skill : Drag and drop one skill from your secondary profession onto this skill in your skill bar, that skill will now utillize your primary professions main unique attribute.

Sword Hammer Axe · May 20, 2009, 10:43 AM // 10:43

This has been suggested many times, but I'm surprised you've actually figured a way that you think it may work.

However creating your own skills is not a good idea. First of all it can put the game completely out of balance, no matter how much you say it won't.
Second it would reguire too much to actually put in so even if it WAS a good idea it wouldn't happen with the current development of GW2.

MithranArkanere · May 20, 2009, 11:50 AM // 11:50

If works in Elder Scrolls because it is a single player game.

But fir this one, its too much work for a single skill, when we have more than 1300 already.

English Warrior · May 20, 2009, 11:57 AM // 11:57

Because PvE needs to be easier?
/notsigned

Shayne Hawke · May 20, 2009, 12:23 PM // 12:23

I like the idea of being able to make your own unique skill. I don't like that idea anywhere near the realm of GW. I can see farms being dominated by the use of these customized skills, which would eventually end up not being customized, because people would start using the same kind of skill setup for certain farms or team builds.

/notsigned

Eragon Zarroc · May 20, 2009, 01:39 PM // 13:39

this seems like it would be extremely complicated to be implemented while at the same time easily abused by the community. it will be near impossible for anet to forsee every possible farming exploit that could be done with custom skills.

Zahr Dalsk · May 20, 2009, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Don't really care.

Actually, I'd kind of like to see it, just because it would be something new. And for delicious exploits.

spirit of defeat · May 20, 2009, 06:00 PM // 18:00

this isn't balacing......
beside it will kill the whole idea/identity of GW.

/not signed

toocooltang · May 20, 2009, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Does anyone realize that the most broken skill in the game isnt PVE only???