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reaper with no name · Aug 04, 2009, 09:56 PM // 21:56

There's an easy way to make pets worth the trouble: make them not disable your skills upon death. Easy fix. Now they're an extra tank and extra dps without any drawback other than using up 2 skill slots. Viola!

Tenebrae · Aug 04, 2009, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

There's an easy way to make pets worth the trouble: make them not disable your skills upon death. Easy fix. Now they're an extra tank and extra dps without any drawback other than using up 2 skill slots. Viola!

With all due respect pal , if you think that the 3-5 secs disabling of skills when your pet dies ( 12-15 BM att ) is a real problem and taking that out would be a significant buff ..... you dont know what you are talking about .

reaper with no name · Aug 04, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

No, the idea would be to make it viable for people to dump a few points into BM and take a pet along to fill out the empty slots in their bar.

Ugh · Aug 05, 2009, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

No, the idea would be to make it viable for people to dump a few points into BM and take a pet along to fill out the empty slots in their bar.

Pets would still suck and would only be used to fill extra slots on a bar. A real buff would allow pets to actually see some play. IMO, an AI fix (I don't even count this as a buff because it's clearly broken) is most necessary with bar compression following close behind. Also, the buff should apply to both PvE and PvP.

Warning: Long Post

AI Fix:
-Pets now switch targets immediately after the ranger switches targets (unless locked to another target)
-Pets now attack as soon as they reach the foe
-Activation of a pet skill will cause the pet to attempt to use the skill as soon as possible on target foe

Bar Compression (just one):
1. Make Charm Animal into a weak pet rez with a longer activation and recharge than Comfort. Comfort Animal will still see use as it would be faster, rez with more health, and heal.
2. Combine Charm Animal and Comfort Animal.
3. Charm Animal is no longer necessary. Your pet will travel with you whenever you have a pet-related skill (attacks, buffs, heals, etc.) on your bar.
4. Charm Animal is no longer necessary. Your pet will travel with you whenever you have a certain amount of points in Beast Mastery. Required points would scale with level so it requires less investment for lower levels. Investment would have to be at least 5 (8-10 would probably be better) for level 20s to prevent dumping 3 points into BM and using a minor rune for a free pet.

Skill Buffs:
Beastial/Tiger's Fury
10e 10r
Stance. (5...13...15 seconds.) You attack 33% faster. Your non-attack skills are disabled (5 seconds).
-These skills sucked and are unused. Bows attack slow enough already.

Companionship
5e 2c 10r
Skill. Heals you and your pet for 30...102...120 if either of you are below 47...69...73% health.
-The longer duration, double casting time, healing either you or your pet, and lack of res made this a little too much worse than HaO. Even if HaO is elite.

Ferocious Strike {E}
5e 8r
Elite Pet Attack. Deals +13...25...28 damage. You gain 0...3...4 strikes of adrenaline and 3...9...10 energy.
-This isn't really worth the elite slot. This buff will allow nice synergy with W and P skills.

Heal As One {E}
5e 1c 8r
Elite Skill. Heals you and your pet for 25...121...145. No effect unless either you or your pet are below 75% Health. If any nearby allied pets are dead, they are resurrected with 50% Health.
-This would allow nice synergy with multiple BMs by allowing one player to rez while the others drop their rez. However, nearby range is limiting so it's not OP.

Heket's Rampage
5e 10r
Stance. (5...10...11 seconds). You attack 33% faster and do 25% more damage. Ends if you use an attack skill.
-Tbh I have no idea what to do with this one. But it desperately needs a buff; it's pathetic.

Revive Animal
10e 3c 20r
Skill. Resurrects all allied pets in the area (10...70...85% Health).
-6c and short range is ridiculous. Increased e cost and reduced health % to balance.

Strike As One {E}
5e 10r
Elite Shout. Your animal companion teleports to your target and inflicts Bleeding (5...13...15 seconds) and deals +5...17...20 with its next attack. The next time you hit with an attack, you inflict Crippled condition (5...13...15 seconds) and deal +5...17...20 damage.
-Changed to teleport and + damage added to avoid obstructions (i.e. gates in FA) and improve synergy with bow builds (which are rare with BM). Fixing the freezing glitch would be nice, too (but it's not that big of a deal).

Rampage As One {E}
25e 10r
Elite Skill. (6...16...18 seconds.) You and your pet attack 33% faster and move 25% faster. No effect unless your pet is alive.
-A bit over-nerfed IMO. Duration slightly increased.

Symbiotic Bond
10e 20c
Shout. (3...8...9 seconds.) Your pet has +1...3...3 Health regeneration. Half of all damage dealt to your pet is redirected to you and reduced by 3...25...30.
-This was a pretty bad skill and the activate-on-recharge nature of BM shouts causes boring, unskillful play.

Call of Protection
5e 25c
Shout. (10 seconds.) You and your pet have 1...13...16 damage reduction.
-The current skill isn't bad so this change is kinda iffy. But it is still a boring, activate-on-recharge skill. This would also give the ranger some self defense in the BM line so he isn't forced to put points than necessary into Expertise.

reaper with no name · Aug 05, 2009, 01:21 AM // 01:21

Well, yeah, that's the easiest way I can think of to convince people to bring along pets. It wouldn't make people use them for anything other than extra support, but it'd be something, at least.

draxynnic · Aug 05, 2009, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

No, the idea would be to make it viable for people to dump a few points into BM and take a pet along to fill out the empty slots in their bar.

How many people nowadays have two empty slots?

Spend one on an Asura summon and you have something that is better than a pet for lower investment. Two more can be filled with PvE skills of the user's choice, and really, the only reason not to take PvE skills is because the alternative is better (and trading two skills for a pet with low beastmastery certainly doesn't qualify). "I am the Strongest!" and Tryptophan Signet are just two possibilities that can be chosen purely on the basis that they don't cost resources to use and thus won't interfere much with the rest of your build - if you've got the adrenaline and/or energy to spare, there are certainly more powerful options.

That leaves five slots to fill. One can be an elite, one could be the good old res-sig (or a hard res with the appropriate profession). You now only have three slots to fill with ordinary skills. If you can't find three useful skills, there's something wrong. I generally find it much harder to decide what skill not to take than to find something to fill an empty slot.

I think the only times I've brought a pet in the last year have been purely for training in one of the following circumstances: 1) When I'm going to be in a devourer or junundu and my skills and attributes aren't really going to matter anyway or 2)When I think my objective is easy enough to achieve that I feel I can afford the handicap.

Ugh · Aug 05, 2009, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

I think the only times I've brought a pet in the last year have been purely for training in one of the following circumstances: 1) When I'm going to be in a devourer or junundu and my skills and attributes aren't really going to matter anyway or 2)When I think my objective is easy enough to achieve that I feel I can afford the handicap.

Yes, pets are useless and I find I only take them when something is going to be easy enough that I can afford to have 3.5/4, 5.5/6, or 7.5/8 slots filled. The only places where pets aren't useless are:

Pre-searing. And that's only because skill choices and party sizes are extremely limited.
B/P groups in TotPK. And even then, all they're doing is taking up space.
PvP alongside a R/P. Still not very good.

M @ T · Aug 05, 2009, 07:57 AM // 07:57

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Really ? i guess you talk about NM because HM is not fun when your pet can be 3 hitted to death by a lvl 28 or something else you dont see coming because all pets are melee ( lol @ that , they should have made some ranged ) and suddenly something explodes and bam 3-6 secs of skill blackout.

The thing is that BM should work in a way that you deal less damage with your weapon ( pretty obvious , att points split ) and your pet should do decent damage with little skills. Hell , they should have a mini skill bar ( with 2-4 skills ) and THAT would be fun .

PD: Dont bring that "uh that would be overpowered" up because we are talking about PvE only

You can spec into beast mastery to make your pet damage a hell lot and also make it take like 80% less damage with all those buffs.

Now if you want to damage a lot with your bow/spear/whatever then you are overpowered. Wars for instance spec in weapon mastery, strength and a bit on utility like Shock. Consider a beast mastery ranger's pet being the axe on a shock axe warrior. Shock for a shock axe war could be d-shot or whatever on a beat mastery ranger.

On the build I posted like 2 pages before, the ranger could use the pet as the primary weapon which was unblockable, unkillable(lolz), degen(with poison+bleeding from the utility skills coming form the /P) and ditch loldamage.

In a few words..

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Originally Posted by Dahl

People need to learn the difference between underpowered and underused.

As for the PvE quote.. ye, make GW WoW like with extra skills and ofcourse make rangers the new perma-Sf-kind-of-thing. No thanks.

IMO.

Tenebrae · Aug 05, 2009, 08:54 AM // 08:54

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Originally Posted by M @ T

You can spec into beast mastery to make your pet damage a hell lot and also make it take like 80% less damage with all those buffs.

Wouah , make a beast tank .... i didnt knew that ! thanks , prob solved
/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by M @ T

Now if you want to damage a lot with your bow/spear/whatever then you are overpowered. Wars for instance bla bla bla

No , you lack experience here mate. A pet is NOWHERE near an Axe , those comparisons look good on the paper but once you play a BM ingame for a long time , it turns to crap , trust me . Pets would need an IMPRESSIVE boost of attack speed and control to be compared to that.

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Originally Posted by M @ T

On the build I posted like 2 pages before, the ranger could use the pet as the primary weapon which was unblockable, unkillable(lolz), degen(with poison+bleeding from the utility skills coming form the /P) and ditch loldamage.

Again , fun on the paper , maybe fun ingame .. efficient like a marksmanship build ? not even close , thats the prob.

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Originally Posted by M @ T

As for the PvE quote.. ye, make GW WoW like with extra skills and ofcourse make rangers the new perma-Sf-kind-of-thing. No thanks.

IMO.

Not so fast kiddo , no one is saying that pets should have 150 armor , deal 40-55 dmg every 1.33 secs and run 33% faster without IMS without investing in BM att . Thats not the main problem and by now , you should know it . Read #59 and #60 .

Aldric · Aug 05, 2009, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by Ugh

Pets would still suck and would only be used to fill extra slots on a bar. A real buff would allow pets to actually see some play. IMO, an AI fix (I don't even count this as a buff because it's clearly broken) is most necessary with bar compression following close behind. Also, the buff should apply to both PvE and PvP.

Warning: Long Post

AI Fix:
-Pets now switch targets immediately after the ranger switches targets (unless locked to another target)
-Pets now attack as soon as they reach the foe
-Activation of a pet skill will cause the pet to attempt to use the skill as soon as possible on target foe

Yes plz , smarter pets AI and possibly 2-3 pet attack skills queueing aswell

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Originally Posted by Ugh

Bar Compression (just one):
1. Make Charm Animal into a weak pet rez with a longer activation and recharge than Comfort. Comfort Animal will still see use as it would be faster, rez with more health, and heal.
2. Combine Charm Animal and Comfort Animal.
3. Charm Animal is no longer necessary. Your pet will travel with you whenever you have a pet-related skill (attacks, buffs, heals, etc.) on your bar.
4. Charm Animal is no longer necessary. Your pet will travel with you whenever you have a certain amount of points in Beast Mastery. Required points would scale with level so it requires less investment for lower levels. Investment would have to be at least 5 (8-10 would probably be better) for level 20s to prevent dumping 3 points into BM and using a minor rune for a free pet.

I like Number 4 tbh , possibly with a 9 limit. The pet is your weapon basically and only equips when you meet the req9 limit. If BM were to be buffed we would really have to avoid the situation you mention plus it may stop all the Pro flare spamming E/R Beastmasters you see

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Originally Posted by Ugh

Ferocious Strike {E}
5e 8r
Elite Pet Attack. Deals +13...25...28 damage. You gain 0...3...4 strikes of adrenaline and 3...9...10 energy.
-This isn't really worth the elite slot. This buff will allow nice synergy with W and P skills.

Heal As One {E}
5e 1c 8r
Elite Skill. Heals you and your pet for 25...121...145. No effect unless either you or your pet are below 75% Health. If any nearby allied pets are dead, they are resurrected with 50% Health.
-This would allow nice synergy with multiple BMs by allowing one player to rez while the others drop their rez. However, nearby range is limiting so it's not OP.

Revive Animal
10e 3c 20r
Skill. Resurrects all allied pets in the area (10...70...85% Health).
-6c and short range is ridiculous. Increased e cost and reduced health % to balance.

Rampage As One {E}
25e 10r
Elite Skill. (6...16...18 seconds.) You and your pet attack 33% faster and move 25% faster. No effect unless your pet is alive.
-A bit over-nerfed IMO. Duration slightly increased.

Like these changes , especially the change to Ferocious Strike. I do like it as an elite but its meh and needs a buff.

M @ T · Aug 05, 2009, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Wouah , make a beast tank .... i didnt knew that ! thanks , prob solved
/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

No , you lack experience here mate. A pet is NOWHERE near an Axe , those comparisons look good on the paper but once you play a BM ingame for a long time , it turns to crap , trust me . Pets would need an IMPRESSIVE boost of attack speed and control to be compared to that.

Ye, the pet is slow and all, but the War has to be next to his target. The ranger does not.

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Again , fun on the paper , maybe fun ingame .. efficient like a marksmanship build ? not even close , thats the prob.

For pressuring + damage it's all good.

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Not so fast kiddo , no one is saying that pets should have 150 armor , deal 40-55 dmg every 1.33 secs and run 33% faster without IMS without investing in BM att . Thats not the main problem and by now , you should know it . Read #59 and #60 .

First off, I didn't insult you. Mind it. And like I said extra skills is WoWish.

Tenebrae · Aug 05, 2009, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by M @ T

Ye, the pet is slow and all, but the War has to be next to his target. The ranger does not.

¿?¿?¿?¿?¿? . Maybe the Marksmanship ranger does not but hello ! we are talking about PvE BM and yes , ALL pets are melee pal and they have to be next to the target.

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Originally Posted by M @ T

For pressuring + damage it's all good.

Shame we are talking about PvE and not PvP where pressuring + SOME damage matters ( because that build doesnt go with XXX numbers ).

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Originally Posted by M @ T

First off, I didn't insult you. Mind it. And like I said extra skills is WoWish.

Neither did i but i guess posting funny images is better . Suit yourself . Extra skills are commonalltimes RPGish ( some ppl are obssesed with WoW lol ), and will solve many problems .

Phoenix Tears · Aug 05, 2009, 05:01 PM // 17:01

all this about stupid skill bar limitations let me hope more, that GW2 won't have such dunb limits for its pve part, but just only for the pvp part of the game....

would also erase for pve the brainless need to travel ever so an outpost, just to be able to exchange some skills in your bar...

this really ridiculous concept of limited skill bars for pve isn't even anywhere near realism, as if characters would forget for an instance douzens of their learned skills, just because you leaved the town or so ... and once you go back you remember all of them again very suddenly oO wtf ...

but thats an other topic XD to come back to rangers ...

it simple would be best, if the pet would be ever at the side of the rangers..heck its one of the class's features..so should it be treated also ..a features, that is only a feature if you have a brainless skill in your bar is for me no feature...

A feature, that is only active, if you have skilled an attribute over a certain point is for me no feature.
Features of classes have to be active EVER. At least the player has to have the option to have the feature active ever, but also the choice to deactivate it if the players wants to do so...

The key of fixing pets lies mostly only in those things:

- Making the A.I. better
- give pets the gameplay, as if they are Heroes, so should pets also be commanded like

if you want the pet to be aggressive, command it the pet, should it be defensive..command it..should it just follow you without any attacking..gof f.u.c.k.i.n.g command it to the dumb A.I and if it should stay just around or go to a certain point on the map...move the cursor over the map and set the flag for the pet

- pets have to be their very own individual beings with own skill bars so that players don't have to waste pet attack skills in their bars that have nothign to search in there...

this would also give the opportunity to bring finally more realism to pet attacks so that pets with for example claws will only receive claw attack skills in their bar...

I found it ever so ridiculous when for example a bear pet performed an pet attack skill, that would for example "only" fit to a spider pet, because a spider can really do poisonous attacks..a god damn BEAR CAN'T... bears aren't poisonous >.<

And pets have as individual feature to be active ever with the only exception the player itself deactivated them and doesn't want them to have at his/her side for any reason.
A player should not nead a skill in the bar, nor attribute points given out to beast mastery to have the pet at the side ... the pet is part of the ranger concept..again...so should it also be treated then.

draxynnic · Aug 06, 2009, 04:38 AM // 04:38

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Originally Posted by Aldric

I like Number 4 tbh , possibly with a 9 limit. The pet is your weapon basically and only equips when you meet the req9 limit. If BM were to be buffed we would really have to avoid the situation you mention plus it may stop all the Pro flare spamming E/R Beastmasters you see

Set the requirement according to the pet's level? (9 is pretty harsh for a presearing character, but if a level 5 pet is free and further levels started requiring increasing amounts of BM, that might work...)

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Originally Posted by M @ T

Now if you want to damage a lot with your bow/spear/whatever then you are overpowered. Wars for instance spec in weapon mastery, strength and a bit on utility like Shock. Consider a beast mastery ranger's pet being the axe on a shock axe warrior. Shock for a shock axe war could be d-shot or whatever on a beat mastery ranger.

A consideration you seem to have missed is that the hybrid beastmastery/weapon ranger has paid for the extra damage they might do. Such a ranger has already giving up the opportunity to double-spec (unless they've tanked Expertise, which is probably not a good idea) and if they quadruple-spec to gain the utility or damage of Wilderness Survival or a secondary profession attribute, their attributes are probably spread out fairly thinly.

All else being equal, a Ranger with a pet is probably only doing about 50% more damage than one without at most and in ideal circumstances due to having to share attribute points between them instead of just raising one to max. They've almost certainly got less utility (they've paid a quarter of their bar just to HAVE the pet, after all), and less Expertise to pay for the skills they've got.

So it's not like Rangers just add a pet to their bar and suddenly they're doing double damage. A Ranger trying to do damage themselves and with a pet is making significant sacrifices to do so, which in the experience of the player community isn't worth the benefits. And a Ranger trying to do damage purely with the pet is just laughable.

Now, it may be that simply improving pet AI will bring this close to the balance point - it certainly should probably be the first thing that's done in case other changes do turn out to be overpowered once the AI improvements come in.

M @ T · Aug 06, 2009, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

¿?¿?¿?¿?¿? . Maybe the Marksmanship ranger does not but hello ! we are talking about PvE BM and yes , ALL pets are melee pal and they have to be next to the target.

Yes, meaning the ranger himself is safe in the middle/backline while still providing the same damage as most melees in both melee and from a distance.

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Shame we are talking about PvE and not PvP where pressuring + SOME damage matters ( because that build doesnt go with XXX numbers ).

So you want a splinter-cyclon axe-barrage-kind-of-thing for the pet? Meaning you can add volley for instance too for extra eoe? And that is not overpowered? Sure, you do have to spec in BM and Marks but still.. Maby some new BM PvE skills can help there but I wouldn't agree.

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Neither did i but i guess posting funny images is better . Suit yourself . Extra skills are commonalltimes RPGish ( some ppl are obssesed with WoW lol ), and will solve many problems .

You did by being sarcastic, underestimating what people say and discriminating on their age factor(in this case me, but I am 28 tyvm). Secondly, the fact that GW actually has only 8 skills which you can equip is what makes this game wonderfull! Because it requires skill and not wealth to "win".

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

A consideration you seem to have missed is that the hybrid beastmastery/weapon ranger has paid for the extra damage they might do. Such a ranger has already giving up the opportunity to double-spec (unless they've tanked Expertise, which is probably not a good idea) and if they quadruple-spec to gain the utility or damage of Wilderness Survival or a secondary profession attribute, their attributes are probably spread out fairly thinly.

All else being equal, a Ranger with a pet is probably only doing about 50% more damage than one without at most and in ideal circumstances due to having to share attribute points between them instead of just raising one to max. They've almost certainly got less utility (they've paid a quarter of their bar just to HAVE the pet, after all), and less Expertise to pay for the skills they've got.

So it's not like Rangers just add a pet to their bar and suddenly they're doing double damage. A Ranger trying to do damage themselves and with a pet is making significant sacrifices to do so, which in the experience of the player community isn't worth the benefits. And a Ranger trying to do damage purely with the pet is just laughable.

Now, it may be that simply improving pet AI will bring this close to the balance point - it certainly should probably be the first thing that's done in case other changes do turn out to be overpowered once the AI improvements come in.

I'll agree with most you have said. They do need to spread their attributes indeed. Yes they won't do tons of damage if the ranger specs on both BM and Marks, and he also needs expertise. But, he can have his pet locked on the enemy doing damage, while he sits on the back sniper shooting or spear throwing and disrupting, even eoe damaging with voley.

I totally agree on the bolded part, they shouldn't make the ranger take 2 skills just to bring along the pet and res it if it dies. They should combine Confort Animal and Charm Animal.

Tenebrae · Aug 06, 2009, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by M @ T

Yes, meaning the ranger himself is safe in the middle/backline while still providing the same damage as most melees in both melee and from a distance.

False , clearly shows your lack of experience with a BM. Theres no way in hell a ranger even with 15 marks and 33% ias can do same damage as ANY melee with weap att 15 and 33% ias. Simple , attack speed and weap damage range , dont need proofs , is a fact .
Neither does a BM with 15 points spent because its pet attacks at short bow speed ( every 2 secs almost ) and does a little more damage than a hammer.
So if you split points between marks and BM ... well ...hehehe no , oh god , no.

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Originally Posted by M @ T

So you want a splinter-cyclon axe-barrage-kind-of-thing for the pet? Meaning you can add volley for instance too for extra eoe? And that is not overpowered? Sure, you do have to spec in BM and Marks but still.. Maby some new BM PvE skills can help there but I wouldn't agree.

No one said that , you accuse me of being sarcastic and now you are overexxagerating things that no one ever asked for , great , i see the irony.
Doesnt matter if you agree or not , when it comes to HM ( because PvE HM is what we are talking here , NM matters sht to BM balance ) , pets need a Buff , if you dont think so , feel free to leave the thread.

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Originally Posted by M @ T

Secondly, the fact that GW actually has only 8 skills which you can equip is what makes this game wonderfull! Because it requires skill and not wealth to "win".

What has wealth to do with a mini skill bar on a pet that doesnt costs money ?

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Originally Posted by M @ T

But, he can have his pet locked on the enemy doing damage, while he sits on the back sniper shooting or spear throwing and disrupting, even eoe damaging with voley.

Read first answer , fun ? maybe yes , efficient as a marks build ? not even close. TESTED .

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Originally Posted by M @ T

I totally agree on the bolded part, they shouldn't make the ranger take 2 skills just to bring along the pet and res it if it dies. They should combine Confort Animal and Charm Animal.

Thats a separate thread , most of ppl agreed that but having "1 more skill" is not going to make almost any diff to pets on HM PvE .

M @ T · Aug 06, 2009, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

False , clearly shows your lack of experience with a BM. Theres no way in hell a ranger even with 15 marks and 33% ias can do same damage as ANY melee with weap att 15 and 33% ias. Simple , attack speed and weap damage range , dont need proofs , is a fact .
Neither does a BM with 15 points spent because its pet attacks at short bow speed ( every 2 secs almost ) and does a little more damage than a hammer.
So if you split points between marks and BM ... well ...hehehe no , oh god , no.

I'm not an expert here clearly, I just use common sense and whatever experience I have with rangers(mostly GvGing though, not so much in PvE). Let's just say you're right. You still damage with 2(well 1 being the pet)weapons and your character is in the midline/backline.

EDIT: Ok, now I understand what you meant. Well rangers are-don't really know how to say this-different. It depends on how you spec them They can disrupt, pressure and spike but not all together ofcourse. Besides even in HM PvE melees usually use SY and the real damage comes from other sources like Splinter/Barrage

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

No one said that , you accuse me of being sarcastic and now you are overexxagerating things that no one ever asked for , great , i see the irony.
Doesnt matter if you agree or not , when it comes to HM ( because PvE HM is what we are talking here , NM matters sht to BM balance ) , pets need a Buff , if you dont think so , feel free to leave the thread.

How did I exaggerate exactly? I just said that you would wish for a splinter/barrage/cyclon axe or whatever eoe skill you can imagine on a pet.. I didn't mean combined. Choose 1 of your liking that was my intention. Mind me, try understanding before posting.

Since this is a discussion on pets been buffed I have every right to say what i wish. This forum ain't no junta or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

What has wealth to do with a mini skill bar on a pet that doesnt costs money ?

Well, in WoW you need a good amount of money to buy armors, weapons, skills or whatever to buff the character. Which means the character is getting considered better than another because of it's inventory and the number of skills you have unlocked and have on the ready(which is always in WoW basically) . GW doesn't work like that, it takes skill. I hope I clarified myself on that. In a few words, GW is balanced(whatever that means

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Read first answer , fun ? maybe yes , efficient as a marks build ? not even close. TESTED .

I'm really not an expert on this, so I'll take your word on it. But still the ranger is in no emediate danger. Except ofcourse from the blackout effect if the pet dies.

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Thats a separate thread , most of ppl agreed that but having "1 more skill" is not going to make almost any diff to pets on HM PvE .

Hmmz.. Actually I suppose you're right.. In PvP it's a totally different story, but it's not the matter in hands here.

Shasgaliel · Aug 07, 2009, 07:06 AM // 07:06

so last update buffed pets and addressed most of the issues mentioned in this topic. There is no point in arguing anymore but time to check whether those buffs are sufficient.

Kattar · Aug 07, 2009, 11:57 AM // 11:57

As Shasgaliel mentioned.

Closed.