Curse

reaper with no name · Sep 10, 2009, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Blah blah blah...dervishes suck...yadda yadda yadda...they need something to make them worth using...something something something...

You know the drill.

Vow Of Silence (PvE)
For 5...9 sec, you cannot be the target of spells cast by enemies or allies.

Only difference is that now you'd be able to cast spells yourself.

aga · Sep 10, 2009, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Imo, this wouldn't make much of a difference. The skill is already good at what it is.

Bodock · Sep 10, 2009, 06:29 PM // 18:29

wouldn't that just make it spell breaker?

zelgadissan · Sep 10, 2009, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Your new description is just the current version reworded - the game considers yourself to be an ally. Think of stuff like WoH - "Heal target ally for 5..81..100 health, blahblahblah" but you can still cast it on yourself. EDIT: I'm an idiot, you could still cast spells on other people. Forgive the ignorance.

Anyway, don't really see the need. Honestly I think PvE/PvP splits are bad, but I'm sure that I'm one of the few.

Tenebrae · Sep 10, 2009, 06:46 PM // 18:46

See skill icon ? its pointless to "silence" someone while you dont "silence" . Its fine how it is

Dratyan · Sep 10, 2009, 07:44 PM // 19:44

I agree with the buff, but maybe it could be even more buffed.

Running: SF>VoS
Tanking(not even possible but...): SF/SB > VoS

This skill is like Dervish: there's always something better.

Cuilan · Sep 10, 2009, 08:57 PM // 20:57

I don't use this skill for tanking, but for getting safely into a mob of spellcasters who may spike. Works perfectly. Set up anything you may or may not have before, and then attack away with your attack skills.

I don't believe this skill was meant for "tanking"...

MagmaRed · Sep 11, 2009, 03:10 AM // 03:10

Currently if you have VoS up, you can't cast any other enchantment on yourself. So if VoS is active, you can't use Heart of Fury, Mending Touch, etc. The change he is suggesting would allow you to use spells on yourself, but not allow other people/monsters to use spells on you. Would be slightly more powerful for PvE use, but I dont' think it is needed. All it would do is create an opening for more problems like SF is, not make Dervishes more useful.

Catchphrase · Sep 11, 2009, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Wouldn't an enchantment causing interrupts and daze more in-line with dervish's PbAOE ability? "All nearby foes are interrupted. For 3..10 seconds your melee attacks interrupt foes casting spells. When this enchantment ends, all adjacent foes are dazed for 1..4s."

zwei2stein · Sep 11, 2009, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Currently if you have VoS up, you can't cast any other enchantment on yourself. So if VoS is active, you can't use Heart of Fury, Mending Touch, etc. The change he is suggesting would allow you to use spells on yourself, but not allow other people/monsters to use spells on you. Would be slightly more powerful for PvE use, but I dont' think it is needed. All it would do is create an opening for more problems like SF is, not make Dervishes more useful.

Slighly more? It will allow dervish to maintain it without any downtime, and be able to use other self defense spells while it was active.

Making, for example, D/Mo 600/Smite with infinite Vow Of Silence viable. Which would, of course, be quite broken.

And since it would be 'killer application' from dervs, it would make them more useful/wanted.

reaper with no name · Sep 12, 2009, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Your new description is just the current version reworded - the game considers yourself to be an ally. Think of stuff like WoH - "Heal target ally for 5..81..100 health, blahblahblah" but you can still cast it on yourself. EDIT: I'm an idiot, you could still cast spells on other people. Forgive the ignorance.

Anyway, don't really see the need. Honestly I think PvE/PvP splits are bad, but I'm sure that I'm one of the few.

Actually, what I was trying to say was that you couldn't be the target of spells from enemies or other allies. Sorry. Thought that part was implied.

But I really don't see this being any more powerful than 55 and 600 monks. Last time I checked, those weren't considered overpowered. Or are people just saving that one for when SF finally gets nerfed?

Tenebrae · Sep 13, 2009, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

Actually, what I was trying to say was that you couldn't be the target of spells from enemies or other allies. Sorry. Thought that part was implied.

But I really don't see this being any more powerful than 55 and 600 monks. Last time I checked, those weren't considered overpowered. Or are people just saving that one for when SF finally gets nerfed?

Really ? then i guess you are almost BLIND pal.
55s get pwnd by interrupts and ench removal ( and degen sometimes )
600 are a 2 tag team
Your buffed VoS bypass all non signet interrupts , non signet ench removals and can be mantained like SB without ANY other skill help with NO drawback and leaving you free for a second prof skill set.
And yes , 55s and 600/smite are overpowered like SF is so creating another broken build/skill/tag team doesnt solve anything.

MagmaRed · Sep 13, 2009, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Really ? then i guess you are almost BLIND pal.
55s get pwnd by interrupts and ench removal ( and degen sometimes )
600 are a 2 tag team
Your buffed VoS bypass all non signet interrupts , non signet ench removals and can be mantained like SB without ANY other skill help with NO drawback and leaving you free for a second prof skill set.
And yes , 55s and 600/smite are overpowered like SF is so creating another broken build/skill/tag team doesnt solve anything.

Savage Slash, Savage Shot, Concussion Shot, Distracting Shot, Disrupting Lunge, etc., etc., etc. all disagree. VoS would be hard to interrupt as it is a 1/4 second cast, but it can be interrupted by non spell skills other than signets, and any other skill used can be interrupted as well.

Tenebrae · Sep 13, 2009, 08:53 AM // 08:53

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Savage Slash, Savage Shot, Concussion Shot, Distracting Shot, Disrupting Lunge, etc., etc., etc. all disagree. VoS would be hard to interrupt as it is a 1/4 second cast, but it can be interrupted by non spell skills other than signets, and any other skill used can be interrupted as well.

Yeah because like we all know , bow interrupts can interrupt 1/4 skills with ease. Good on the paper , but in the true world no ..... hell no , not even knowing when the foe is going to use a 1/4 cast spell/skill . Ping over 100ms and its impossible ,and for the AI , AI REACTS so also its impossible for a NPC / Hero Ranger to do it. And melee interrupts will also fail most of the time , even with a HM IA ( tested by me with a 55 SV ).
Because it "can" be interrupted doesnt mean it will happen because VoS wont be interrupted not even on HM 99% of the time so yes , my statement was right 99% of the time but hey , you are right that 1% , ok .

MagmaRed · Sep 13, 2009, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Yeah because like we all know , bow interrupts can interrupt 1/4 skills with ease. Good on the paper , but in the true world no ..... hell no , not even knowing when the foe is going to use a 1/4 cast spell/skill . Ping over 100ms and its impossible ,and for the AI , AI REACTS so also its impossible for a NPC / Hero Ranger to do it. And melee interrupts will also fail most of the time , even with a HM IA ( tested by me with a 55 SV ).
Because it "can" be interrupted doesnt mean it will happen because VoS wont be interrupted not even on HM 99% of the time so yes , my statement was right 99% of the time but hey , you are right that 1% , ok .

I have done it on my Ranger, and on my Mesmer. Takes some timing to know when it will expire, and quick reflexes, but it is possible. No, I do not interrupt it 100% of the time, but I can. Zho has done it for me, and I certainly can't control her at all. Gwen has done it for me, and I do not micro her. It becomes easier if you supply daze, but even without daze, it can be done.

Do I rely on it? No. But the monsters in PvE that use VoS aren't ones that can party wipe any AVERAGE group, much less a GOOD group. And the team builds I use typically have 1 physical damage dealer outside of minions.

I don't see a problem with VoS, so I dont' see a reason to buff it.

Lawliet Kira · Sep 13, 2009, 10:16 PM // 22:16

i would love this

MithranArkanere · Sep 14, 2009, 11:34 AM // 11:34

Thanks to shadow form we know that Vow of Silence is fine as it is.

eyekwah2 · Sep 14, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

Idea is that you sacrifice being able to cast spells on yourself for being able to almost permanently maintain VoS, which is essentially Spellbreaker + Arcane Echo without so much energy burden. If you're looking for a nice farming tool, stick with sin.

dusanyu · Sep 14, 2009, 03:56 PM // 15:56

VoS is Balanced in fact Anet needs to look at it as an example on how to balance shadow form

D E C E P T I V E · Sep 18, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30

/not signed

This skill is already nearly overpowered as it is, you can cast on yourself and shut down casters, you can still run up to them and use all of your scythe skills, which are already highly damaging to caster armor, especially if they are running from you