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Winterclaw · Oct 10, 2009, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Since right now z-coins are the only way to get the good equipment packs to hold armor and the only way to get them is to grind it out slowly with the quests (can't buy them from players), I thought it would be a nice alternative to have a vendor who sells them.

At:
10gp / copper
500gp / silver
5k / gold

Some of the items you could get from the zaishen traders would be equivalent to the gold cost to acquire them normally and others might need to be tweaked up or down.

Chronos the Defiler · Oct 10, 2009, 06:17 PM // 18:17

no...

You can buy equipment packs I think, and why would we need something like this implemented.

You can buy small packs from vendors, buy larger ones from players, and the quests/rewards offer a time-sink until GW2.

EZ-Mode suggestions should be deleted on sight :/

Winterclaw · Oct 10, 2009, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Players want way too much most of the time because it takes so long to get them. Also when you trade between players, the money is still in the economy making it worthless. Add a 75k money sink that most people who have money would get and others would save up for and you've just helped the economy by that much.

Captain Bulldozer · Oct 10, 2009, 07:39 PM // 19:39

It really doesn't take the long to get the good stuff by just doing the quests. I have already gotten 7 Heavy packs jst by playing a few hours a day. I have 10 chars, so whenever a particularly easy quest (like a time for Heroes for example) comes up, I just slam through it on all 10 chars. I usually can get a heavy pack every week or 2 if I try (some times I blow it off) and that's entirely without doing PvP quests or resigning because I'm red.

So in short, there is absolutely no reason why there should be a vendor, especially not at the incredibly low prices you suggest.

betrayal · Oct 10, 2009, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer

It really doesn't take the long to get the good stuff by just doing the quests. I have already gotten 7 Heavy packs jst by playing a few hours a day. I have 10 chars, so whenever a particularly easy quest (like a time for Heroes for example) comes up, I just slam through it on all 10 chars. I usually can get a heavy pack every week or 2 if I try (some times I blow it off) and that's entirely without doing PvP quests or resigning because I'm red.

So in short, there is absolutely no reason why there should be a vendor, especially not at the incredibly low prices you suggest.

I agree, it doesn't take long to get heavy pack at all. Not to mention people will start buying zkeys through vendor (coins from vendor so..).

Vdawg1337 · Oct 10, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by betrayal

I agree, it doesn't take long to get heavy pack at all. Not to mention people will start buying zkeys through vendor (coins from vendor so..).

This

If people use coins to start buying zkeys than the price of them will be even lower, /notsigned b/c the economy in Guild Wars is allready effed up enough.

Operative 14 · Oct 10, 2009, 08:11 PM // 20:11

How would buying Z-keys at 5k from the vendor lower their price? If anything it would raise it because the price would be set, like lockpicks are.

On one hand I'm not the kind of person that likes to grind for this stuff. I agree with this suggestion simply because the idea of having to get all of those Z-coins is an idea I absolutely abhor. I would like the idea of simply buying it - for gold - through playing the way I want to instead of playing the missions that have been deemed worthy. I don't like having to grind for yet another currency because the old currency was tossed aside. Worse yet, the Z-coins actually hurt the economy because they don't take gold out of circulation, they actually add to it because of the play associate with getting them, so it's compounding the issue it was trying to work around in the first place.

On the other hand I can see the idea of wanting to keep the heavy equipment packs rare. The idea of just going to a merchant and buying one seems a little anticlimactic (for lack of a better term). And also, trying to keep them rare so that the extra storage doesn't strain the servers.

I have to agree with this idea, but I think the prices would need to be adjusted to a higher level. Or, better yet, make the Z-coins (or the larger equipment packs for that matter) craftable objects from some obscure collector.

/signed

HawkofStorms · Oct 10, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

/notsigned x a million

This would defeat the entire point of having z-quests.

Darth The Xx · Oct 10, 2009, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Sounds like somebody can't be assed actually doing the quests and would rather farm to get the coins way faster, and easier.

Also gives advantages to the already rich people, where by making the coins untradable everybody is on equal footing.

/notsigned

Shayne Hawke · Oct 10, 2009, 10:10 PM // 22:10

I would love to have something like this, because it would mean that I wouldn't have to waste my time trudging through each Z-Quest that comes up every day.

And for that exact reason, /notsigned. Z-Quests would be rendered insignificant.

Zahr Dalsk · Oct 10, 2009, 10:25 PM // 22:25

/signed for good idea.

upier · Oct 10, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth The Xx

Sounds like somebody can't be assed actually doing the quests and would rather farm to get the coins way faster, and easier.

/notsigned

Please explain to me how doing the same ZQuests over and over and over isn't EXACTLY like farming them?

I approve of this idea.
I want more packs, but if ZQuests stay the only way to get them from a NPC then I'll just wait till their price drops and I'll buy them in Kama. There is really only so many times I can kill the same boss or do the missions in HM before I get bored out of my mind.

MagmaRed · Oct 10, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Upier, that is when you stop playing PvE and move to PvP. People who have done things so much they dont' want to do them anymore shouldn't be doing them at all. If you want things in the game, there are options for getting them. Either earn your zcoins yourself, or buy what you want to trade the zcoins for from another player. The economy already sucks, this would make it swallow as well.

XMadness · Oct 10, 2009, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operative 14

How would buying Z-keys at 5k from the vendor lower their price? If anything it would raise it because the price would be set, like lockpicks are.

On one hand I'm not the kind of person that likes to grind for this stuff. I agree with this suggestion simply because the idea of having to get all of those Z-coins is an idea I absolutely abhor. I would like the idea of simply buying it - for gold - through playing the way I want to instead of playing the missions that have been deemed worthy. I don't like having to grind for yet another currency because the old currency was tossed aside. Worse yet, the Z-coins actually hurt the economy because they don't take gold out of circulation, they actually add to it because of the play associate with getting them, so it's compounding the issue it was trying to work around in the first place.

On the other hand I can see the idea of wanting to keep the heavy equipment packs rare. The idea of just going to a merchant and buying one seems a little anticlimactic (for lack of a better term). And also, trying to keep them rare so that the extra storage doesn't strain the servers.

I have to agree with this idea, but I think the prices would need to be adjusted to a higher level. Or, better yet, make the Z-coins (or the larger equipment packs for that matter) craftable objects from some obscure collector.

/signed

I don't think he was refering to juzt Z Coins. Prices in tomes would drop, Z Keys will be dropped and anything else affected by the Z Coins will drop.

Yawgmoth · Oct 11, 2009, 12:00 AM // 00:00

This would completely kill the point of Z-Quests as gold is just much easier to get in other ways. And if the prices were higher then just nobody would use them. It's a lose-lose situation = plain bad suggestion.
If you don't like the z-quests all of the rewards are available on the free market. This is not a good way to add goldsinks.
/notsigned

Karate Jesus · Oct 11, 2009, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Since right now z-coins are the only way to get the good equipment packs to hold armor and the only way to get them is to grind it out slowly with the quests (can't buy them from players), I thought it would be a nice alternative to have a vendor who sells them.

At:
10gp / copper
500gp / silver
5k / gold

Some of the items you could get from the zaishen traders would be equivalent to the gold cost to acquire them normally and others might need to be tweaked up or down.

75k for a Rainbow Phoenix. Awesome.

5k per elite tome. Also awesome.

HawkofStorms · Oct 11, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by XMadness

I don't think he was refering to juzt Z Coins. Prices in tomes would drop, Z Keys will be dropped and anything else affected by the Z Coins will drop.

Exactly. You could literally buy several titles, including skill hunter. Even if you don't have the skills unlocked, you can buy flames of Balthazar with zcoins and then buy the elite tomes. Bad bad bad idea.

The reason zoins can't be traded is to prevent the rich in the game from cornering the market like they do with ectos and z-keys. Zoins allow the "GW poor" to get decent rewards and work on reputation titles via the quests.