Curse

The Drunkard · Nov 21, 2009, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Tried searching for this idea but couldn't find anything related.

This is a two part suggestion:
1. Add a ressurection shrine at the start of UW (near one of the sides of the stairs in Chamber) and FoW (there's a small gap north of the tower of courage).
2. Have a team kicked out when all of their party members have 60% DP and die again (regardless of mode)

Thoughts?

Arduin · Nov 21, 2009, 05:05 PM // 17:05

The problem with UW and FoW is not being kicked because your party wipes, but because an NPC dies (spirit or reaper in UW).

Resurrection shrines wouldn't address this issue.

Lishy · Nov 21, 2009, 05:41 PM // 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

The problem with UW and FoW is not being kicked because your party wipes, but because an NPC dies (spirit or reaper in UW).

Resurrection shrines wouldn't address this issue.

Pretty much this.

Although I wouldn't mind a res shrine.

/signed anyways

MacStorm · Nov 21, 2009, 06:26 PM // 18:26

I disagree, both UW and FoW were made and still are in defenition elite areas.

Rez shrines would just be sugercoating us....

tejive · Nov 21, 2009, 06:31 PM // 18:31

short answer: HAHAHAHAHA NO
long answer: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HELL NO

/notsigned

they are called elite areas for a reason

Shrike942 · Nov 21, 2009, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by tejive

they are called elite areas for a reason

i agree /notsigned

HawkofStorms · Nov 21, 2009, 06:52 PM // 18:52

/notsigned

So... farmers would have no incentive to not solo. I mean, at least now, bad farmers don't risk losing 1k every time they enter UW. But if they can just stay in there, and grind (and will have no DP issues thanks to CCs/Pumpkin Cookies).

sickle of carnage · Nov 21, 2009, 07:00 PM // 19:00

That would be too easy

Trub · Nov 21, 2009, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by tejive

short answer: HAHAHAHAHA NO
long answer: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HELL NO

/notsigned

they are called elite areas for a reason

^ this.
If your having THAT big of a problem with the ELITE area, have your teamates pack a few rez scrolls.
If your attempting a solo..your screwed, chewed, and tattoo'd.

miskav · Nov 21, 2009, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Hahahaaha no.
Elite areas.

Xenomortis · Nov 21, 2009, 07:11 PM // 19:11

I'm in two minds about this:

First, the UW and FoW are very unforgiving when you make a mistake. Go wrong and you can wipe or an NPC can die. If that happens, you fail and are kicked. This is particularly annoying when say, a reaper manages to aggro enemies when you're doing the final quest before facing Dhuum.
In the UW, it's also important you know how to deal with Dhuum, otherwise your trip is near in vain.

Second, adding res shrines wouldn't deal with the core issue of NPCs being killed. A full wipe on a human team usually means you seriously cocked up and probably shouldn't be there with that setup.
Adding res shrines then reduces the incentive to be careful or effective when you're not dealing with NPC allies, which you should be in an elite area.

Edit: Then again, the idea of the UW and FoW being elite areas and necessitating care, skill and time was smacked in the balls with a mace around the time Shadow Form could be maintained indefinitely.

The Drunkard · Nov 21, 2009, 07:13 PM // 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by tejive

short answer: HAHAHAHAHA NO
long answer: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HELL NO

/notsigned

they are called elite areas for a reason

So why can slavers and DoA be done in segments since they have a five-part quest and UW/FoW not?

You're right in that it's called an elite area for a reason- only SF groups and dedicated guilds ever play there.

Dungeons can be grinded and they still offer high-end rewards. Is adding shrines to UW/Fow such a bad thing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

So... farmers would have no incentive to not solo. I mean, at least now, bad farmers don't risk losing 1k every time they enter UW. But if they can just stay in there, and grind (and will have no DP issues thanks to CCs/Pumpkin Cookies).

Yeah, which was why I was split on this issue before Anet implemented Dhuum. Now with Dhuum wtf spiking non-sf chars, I though this might be something to help balanced groups. Maybe only allowing shrines to activate after a certain number of quest are completed would be a better idea?

Chthon · Nov 21, 2009, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

The problem with UW and FoW is not being kicked because your party wipes, but because an NPC dies (spirit or reaper in UW).

Resurrection shrines wouldn't address this issue.

This, I don't think I've ever wiped in UW -- a NPC always dies first.

Xenomortis · Nov 21, 2009, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Drunkard

Yeah, which was why I was split on this issue before Anet implemented Dhuum. Now with Dhuum wtf spiking non-sf chars, I though this might be something to help balanced groups. Maybe only allowing shrines to activate after a certain number of quest are completed would be a better idea?

I've only fought him once in NM, but he wasn't too hard.
Getting to him was much harder.
I imagine it would have been stressful if he didn't die or ressed with full health when we killed him after a few minutes. Have they changed that?

I can't see him being much harder on HM - at worst a few more of his skills would have gotten through.

Nihilim Dhiamara · Nov 21, 2009, 07:50 PM // 19:50

make one at ice wastes and only make it active when u cleared all quests, a shrine just for the dhuum fight

majikmajikmajik · Nov 21, 2009, 08:31 PM // 20:31

so your purposing making it easier?

nty

/notsigned.

this game is starting to look like George Lucus' Films(revised and re-edited every few years)

SpiritBond · Nov 21, 2009, 08:40 PM // 20:40

As said above, they're called Elite Areas for the reason. That's not necessary, and that is not the point of it. If you are not able to do UW or FoW without Ressurection Shrine, you should just quit.

/notsigned

drkn · Nov 21, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Quote:

I disagree, both UW and FoW were made and still are in defenition elite areas.

Rez shrines would just be sugercoating us....

+1

nty, /notsigned

headgear56 · Nov 21, 2009, 09:29 PM // 21:29

I agree with MacStorm.

/notsigned

Killerminds · Nov 21, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Instead of having them insert rez shrines, id like them to make it so not only monks and A/Ds can complete UW in HM.