Curse

Cluebag · Feb 01, 2010, 03:37 PM // 15:37

I didn't see this on the sticky (unless I overlooked it, I apologize if that's the case) so here goes...

As we're well aware, GW's 5th anniversary is coming up here soon, and I'm quite sure there are a handful of old guilds who have been around since the beginning.

My suggestion is to allow for guilds who have been established for over 5 years to have the option to toggle on a "veteran guild" trim. I'm imagining something akin to a patina or a verdigris effect or something oldish/crustyish looking.

I'm sure that there are people out there who are a bit more creative than myself who can come up with some additional (better) ways to convey this sort of idea.

I also had a couple of other ideas rolling around my empty skull, as an alternative to a trim. I was thinking, how about maybe those hideous guild bibs, from alpha/beta, somewhat of a "throwback uniform" like they do with professional sports teams. Or possibly something retro-looking, something with a presearing days vibe perhaps, tho I'm not sure how that would work. I think the trim would likely be the easiest to incoroporate into the game, but it'd probably irritate the "legit" earned trim people.

Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions?

Karate Jesus · Feb 01, 2010, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Cluebag

My suggestion is to allow for guilds who have been established for over 5 years to have the option to toggle on a "veteran guild" trim. I'm imagining something akin to a patina or a verdigris effect or something oldish/crustyish looking.

No. Trims have always been a reward for mATs and it should stay that way.

And most guilds disband/reform a lot. I doubt that there are many 5 year old guilds.

tmakinen · Feb 01, 2010, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

And most guilds disband/reform a lot. I doubt that there are many 5 year old guilds.

SoF turned 5 on the 9th of January this year as indicated by the in-game roster. However, I don't see the merit of the suggestion. Surely guilds should be recognized by their influence on the community, not just based on when they were founded (old characters don't get anything besides birthday presents either), and that recognition comes naturally to those that actually deserve it.

Sharkinu · Feb 01, 2010, 04:11 PM // 16:11

So players will start selling invites in veteran guilds just for cape leeching? Better not.

Cluebag · Feb 01, 2010, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

No. Trims have always been a reward for mATs and it should stay that way.

Why tho? I'm seeing it in the same vein as the zaishen emote, cosmetic silliness really. It's not impacting anything other than perceived merits limited only to a select few. If that's the case, and it's near impossible for a guild to manage to stick together for 5 years, couldn't that merit some guild recognition of some sort?

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

And most guilds disband/reform a lot. I doubt that there are many 5 year old guilds.

I guess then that that would make it more special, being that there are fewer ancient guilds still around. However, I think that there are probably more older guilds around than you think. I want to say most of the guilds in my alliance are in the ballpark of 4+ years old.

And besides, a veridigris-looking trim should immediately be recognizeable as something not related to an earned pvp reward. It'd essentially be a bit of cosmetic fluff that basically is "gratz on making it to 5 years as a guild, thanks for playing" more or less.

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

SoF turned 5 on the 9th of January this year as indicated by the in-game roster. However, I don't see the merit of the suggestion. Surely guilds should be recognized by their influence on the community, not just based on when they were founded (old characters don't get anything besides birthday presents either), and that recognition comes naturally to those that actually deserve it.

I was more along the lines of the trim suggestion being similar to the pumpkin crown. It doesn't impact anything, and all it's signifying is that the pumpkin crown's wearer has been around a while. I know it's not directly analogous, but that's kindof how I was feeling it.

I was going to comment on the "influence on the community" and "deserved-ness" aspects, but I fear I can't without going way off topic. I understand what you are saying, but those points are arguable, and I'll leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Sharkinu

So players will start selling invites in veteran guilds just for cape leeching? Better not.

Lol, is this really a "problem"? Seriously? Cape leeching is sortof... well, the idea is tacky imo. But the way I see it, if people are going to get all worked up over someone else wanting to have a cape with a NON-PVP trim, then I think they probably need to do a little reprioritizing.

And ty for the feedback. While I may not entirely agree with some of the points, I can feel your positions and welcome the comments/concerns, and hopefully will be able to address them adequately.

MagmaRed · Feb 01, 2010, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Only if the guild is made up of 50% or more of players who have been around for the duration of the guild. And I mean been around in the game AND the guild. Having players that stayed together is far more valuable than a guild name/tag that has been around for 5+years. Lets say someone bought the game during beta, made a guild, and then quit playing until 6 months ago. The guild is still around, and they are too, in a way. That guild gets a special cape because of doing NOTHING as a guild?

Too many variables for what is 'worthwhile' and what isn't. And as noted, cape trim (of any kind) is for PvP rewards, and although it may look different, it is the same thing. And if your idea got put in and the trim looked BETTER than the gold/silver trims for PvP, the PvP players would have even more to complain about.

The 'bib' idea was better, but still not worth the hassle for the problems it would cause.

**cosyfiep** · Feb 01, 2010, 05:36 PM // 17:36

my guild will be 5 this may....all the original members are still part of it.....one rarely plays as he has had loads of computer problems, but the rest of us are still around.
There are plenty of old guilds around, giving a 'perk' to join one....dont really see a reason......one guild is just as good as any other one, regardless of when it was created.

IrishX · Feb 01, 2010, 05:51 PM // 17:51

First off, I don't really care one way or the other.

Also, problems would arise. EW has been around since release, possibly earlier. If EW has not been disbanded, which I assume it hasn't, it would have both gold and "vet" trim.

BlackSephir · Feb 01, 2010, 06:59 PM // 18:59

A good one, a reward for... well, nothing.

Schnellburg · Feb 01, 2010, 07:01 PM // 19:01

So you would rather the updates be for new cape trims or effects to show off something like a guild was around for 5 years? Pointless and will never happen as it is taking them over 4 months now for a remedial skill update. Stop worrying about the cosmetic stuff, and I would suggest they fix/alter the more important things.

Karate Jesus · Feb 01, 2010, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Oh OH, I have an idea!

5 year old guilds get a more operational guild chat and more options for their Guild Roster!!

</endsarcasm>

The Arching Healer · Feb 01, 2010, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Trims need to be rewarded for skill, not for time.

Captain Bulldozer · Feb 01, 2010, 08:59 PM // 20:59

I think asking for a special cape trim just for having an old guild is probably one of those things that is not going to happen. Still, I do kinda like the idea of a guild's cape somehow reflecting a bt more about the guilds age or experience. Maybe if a guild could add a special icon to their cape for completing some high-end objective as a guild team or something. It would help out when joining a PUG, as you could get a better idea of how experienced the players might be, based off what tags they had on their cape. Still I think it would be too hard to implement at this stage and would rather see the live team focus on fixing the imbalanced skill set and adding new content.

Cluebag · Feb 01, 2010, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Good grief people. The reason the trim was originally suggested is because it would essentially be a reskin, and we all know how fond Anet is of reskinning things. It would be a lot easier to integrate this, than say something along the likes of some chaos underpants with a new special emote (/getsome) which peforms a little hip thrust manuever accompanied by a giant emote of your guild emblem (10x larger than the dragon emote) firing out of your crotch, which also causes a knockdown of everyone in the area. That imo would be awesome, tho I'm sure my wife's opinion (and probably everyone else's as well, save a couple of my demented guildies) would be a bit different.

The veteran cape-y thing could be something entirely else as well. It could be a glowy claspy thing around your neck. It could be, oh hell I dunno, that's why I brought this up in the suggestion forums. That was kind of the point of the post, to flesh out the idea.

It could also be limited to members who've been within the guild for 5 years, as opposed to any/everyone in the guild getting the option of displaying whatever it is. Five years is a long time. Hell even at work they give out 5 yr pin doodads, along with raises and extra vacation and the other shit you earn due to tenure. It's a milestone, whether you see it as one or not.

The pointlessness of anything in game is rather subjective. I suppose we could argue that any updates at all are pointless, since the game's been dead since (insert whenever it died for you here).

The something for nothing comments always amuse me. I guess if that's going to be the policy, then the annual minis should be abolished as well, since you didn't do anything to earn them (actually, that's a bad example, I'm indifferent towards the minis... it's been a long day and my brain is no longer working, I need a drink).

And please, stop it with the suggestion that this would/should take precedence over other things clearly needing attention. I'm all for fixing the broke stuff, but it's as if multitasking is off the table and any resource not spent towards grievance x is time poorly spent. Give me a break. I am aware that the live team is short on manpower and it's not likely that this would be something on their radar... but you never know...

galbat0rixx · Feb 01, 2010, 10:36 PM // 22:36

I don't think it's that bad an idea, I think most of these comments are a little unfair. Maybe an extremely subtle trim would do the trick, not something people would bother selling invites for, but just a little bit of recognition. Maybe the trim should only be available an original member is leader of the guild as well. As Bulldozer says, I like the idea of a few things to reflect the guild's past, achievements, running time etc.

ightgg · Feb 01, 2010, 11:40 PM // 23:40

How about guilds that have been around 5 years get automaticly disbanned. Would make sense as in reality when a person gets really old we send them to an old people home, or they just die. A guild should act the same way as technology advances there really is no advantage to saying ohh i have a commodor 64 when the next person says ohh i have a Vaio. The oldies just dont compare.
-Drama

xxUnReaLxx1 · Feb 01, 2010, 11:59 PM // 23:59

horrible idea to ruin the economy more

Zahr Dalsk · Feb 02, 2010, 01:42 AM // 01:42

That sounds great, a way to reward guild for doing nothing.

/notsigned

Kook~NBK~ · Feb 02, 2010, 03:02 AM // 03:02

Some recognition for guilds that have stayed together for 5 years? Through drama, RL stuff, people coming & going, and the game slowly dying? Sure, why not?

/SIGNED

ac1inferno · Feb 02, 2010, 03:35 AM // 03:35

Cape leeching happens because it's special and different from the masses so it makes you stand out so it doesn't matter if it's PvE, people would still pay for it. It's like when they first introduced Miniatures for Birthday Presents. They don't do anything, but they were special, so people payed for them.