Curse

Trinity Fire Angel · Feb 08, 2010, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Well, after 3 years of playing, i finally got scammed. However, i took screen shots and told the guy, but he went ahead and took my money anyway for a run that never happened.

anyway, he will prolly get banned for a couple of weeks, but i bet he;s just on a smurf account and doesnl;t care. anyway, to cut down this behaviour i suggest something like the PVP dishonourable hex that pretty much stays with you for life once you are proven to have scammed someone. A warning message in the trade window that advertises that this person is a scammer would be nice too... that would hurt them more than anything.

/signed

Elephantaliste · Feb 08, 2010, 02:05 PM // 14:05

i agree small and big scams are boring but
what about redemption and forgiveness...
and some pple will probably try to get this new hex...

drkn · Feb 08, 2010, 02:06 PM // 14:06

/notsigned

just double-check when trading and use common sense to avoid being scammed. i know that comparing mmos to real life is usually a fail, but when it comes to economic aspects, it's quite similar - there's a lot of scammers and conners out there, no one has a warning on his forehead. no reason to force it here either.

Olle · Feb 08, 2010, 02:46 PM // 14:46

So if i by misstake get reported, for typing in wrong numbers/items in trade, ill get an hex?
/notsigned

aspi · Feb 08, 2010, 03:01 PM // 15:01

/notsigned

This is just one of the things that can happen when paying for runs I guess.

Del · Feb 08, 2010, 03:02 PM // 15:02

ummm, trade window warns you when someone changes it, there's confirmation so you can make sure you're not getting screwed, and when it comes to runs, you can avoid being scammed with common sense.

/notsigned

Sagra · Feb 08, 2010, 03:12 PM // 15:12

I understand the frustration involved, and when talking about runs, it's not as simple as checking trade windows. The multitude of ditchers makes runners want more up front than usual in some cases. And the multitude of fail runners or scammers makes runnees

anxious to pay a large sum up front.

I try my best to use allies or trusted runners whenever possible. Barring that, try to pay half before or halfway and the other half upon completion. If that arrangement is not agreeable, then find another runner.

I would NOT like for there to be a hex involved, as sometimes people make mistakes. Earlier this week when buying fruitcakes off someone, I forgot I had 1 in storage. So when the transaction took place, (it was late) I saw one in my first screen of inventory. I thought the trader had scammed me. Had I not checked the rest of my inventory and the green text, I may have reported that person needlessly.

Use caution and try to develop a list of trustworthy runners. That's all the advice I can offer!

Olle · Feb 08, 2010, 03:16 PM // 15:16

So if i by misstake get reported, for typing in wrong numbers/items in trade, ill get an hex?
/notsigned

aspi · Feb 08, 2010, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sagra

Use caution and try to develop a list of trustworthy runners. That's all the advice I can offer!

I only use trusted runners on this forum, nothing is full proof but when people see that a person is trustworthy it makes all the difference.
So far got 2 chest runners from this forum, natures survivor and oni clair who both are to be trusted and never scammed.

I would suggest the topic starter tries the services offered from this forum it seems way saver than in game. Or join a Guild I guess

Quaker · Feb 08, 2010, 03:35 PM // 15:35

It's bad enough that people will scam you in real life, but to scam people in a game, you must really have low self esteem. I mean, if your self respect means so little to you that you will cheat someone out of imaginary money, you must be a real loser.

So, Trinity, take solace in the fact that you still have your dignity.

.. and, it's just a game - it's like someone cheated at Monopoly. It's just sad.

P.S. The best ways to avoid being scammed by "runners" is to:
1. Don't "run" - do it yourself the old fashioned way.
2. Get a Guild mate or trusted friend to run you.
3. Check the buy/sell forums and/or Guru Auctions for a runner. Chances are (esp on the auctions) that someone who bothers to post running services and has a good rep, will be less likely to cheat you.

HawkofStorms · Feb 08, 2010, 03:39 PM // 15:39

/notsigned

Buyer beware.

And sometimes stuff really is a legit mistake (Opps put up linen instead of vellum isn't always a scam).

And other stuff like not paying runs, there would be NO way to automate it.

And if it wasn't automated, it would just be abused to holy hell.

thelessa · Feb 08, 2010, 03:53 PM // 15:53

What the main problem is, there are a lot of items that look very much the same or named sorta alike and if you don't take a closer look at them you can get scammed.

aeligos · Feb 08, 2010, 04:01 PM // 16:01

/signed [x infinity(?)] o.o

Scamming is an art, and in my opinion, scammers should be hexed with a godlike aura or some other toon-effect... to depict superior sportsmanship.

Let's face it. As someone had alluded to it earlier, it's inevitable.... no matter how prepared or common-sensed one may believe themselves to be.

I do feel bad for your loss OP, but as the world turns, one's loss is another's gain... and that is how the world works.

-.-

Stop The Storm · Feb 08, 2010, 04:11 PM // 16:11

how about just permanantly ban scammers? no messing about with silly hexes, just instant ban if proven. Also everything on the banned account could be split up between all the accounts that get hacked instead of just deleted or left to rot on banned accounts

Lord Dagon · Feb 08, 2010, 04:23 PM // 16:23

/notsigned

seems like a waste of time to go and add a "hex" to everyone that scams. and you know ppl have grudges against ea other so they will probably abuse this into the ground.
not a bad idea.. just honestly no way it will work when put into practice ;p.

Trinity Fire Angel · Feb 08, 2010, 04:36 PM // 16:36

well.. it really can;t be abused because ANet support actually check chat logs and transactions on both accounts. I have been emailing to support in this case as i want my 60k to burn in his two weeks or more of being banned. he also scammed another person for 70k at the same time.

there are only so many places you can go to advertise for a run in American districts, so perhaps when he is on i might occasionally go to the district and make sure people in the district know that he is a scammer.

oh well. i thought it was a good deterrant to put a message in trade window.

when trading items, i accidently gave someone too much once and they offered to give it back but i was feeling kind. easy to do and it only takes a good genuine person to offer up the mistake.

Covah · Feb 08, 2010, 06:08 PM // 18:08

If anything the person who GOT scammed should have a giant gold name so everyone will know to trade with them to get good deals.

If you fall for a scam its YOUR fault for not checking the trade or for dropping an item on the ground.

mistokibbles · Feb 08, 2010, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeligos

Let's face it. As someone had alluded to it earlier, it's inevitable.... no matter how prepared or common-sensed one may believe themselves to be.

Is it honestly THAT HARD to just look at the trade window a few times before clicking accept?
OT:Support shouldn't have to make up for your own mistakes by going through the trouble of looking at chat logs.
/notsigned

Stop The Storm · Feb 08, 2010, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covah

If anything the person who GOT scammed should have a giant gold name so everyone will know to trade with them to get good deals.

If you fall for a scam its YOUR fault for not checking the trade or for dropping an item on the ground.

cmon jon, so if some woman gets raped in the street, its her fault for wearing a low cut top, or her fault for not taking a taxi?

The person who got scammed is the victim, whether its down to misplaced trust or general stupidity, they are still the victim, regardless of whos "fault" it is.

Del · Feb 08, 2010, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop The Storm

cmon jon, so if some woman gets raped in the street, its her fault for wearing a low cut top, or her fault for not taking a taxi?

The person who got scammed is the victim, whether its down to misplaced trust or general stupidity, they are still the victim, regardless of whos "fault" it is.

in all honesty, when avoiding being scammed is extremely simple and common sense, there's nothing that really needs to be done about it except ban the scammer. and getting scammed probably makes someone more aware that they should probably pay attention when dealing with potentially untrustworthy individuals.