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comonnow · Oct 06, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Aki Soyokaze

And arguably some could say PvP is just as simple.

But I would be inclined to agree with you that PvE can take less skill than PvP. However, heros already get emotes and a title and if you add glad and champ to that it seems a little unfair; maybe they should only get one or the other, not both.

If this were the case then I think it would be fair that PvE earned 'titles' stay titles and not titles + emotes.

even iway takes some skill to execute properly :/ and no, arguing that PvP is just as simple as PvE is a completely invalid argument, and i hope whoever brings that up would be shunned from the GW community cause it is completely false. There is no GW Tank Championship, SEE HOW MANY TROLLS YOU CAN SOLO!!! but there is a GvG championship b/c it takes skill not, build.

once again PvE titles do not deserve emotes, simple as that, i think that HA should remain the only way to earn titles since it is PvP, with a little roleplaying scenario and it helps the PvE players enter their precious UW and FoW.

Emik · Oct 06, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

I'm a bit 50/50 here...
Ok it would be nice to have emotes for PvE things but like some have pointed out it would become a spamfest.
I myself am a PvE junky but i can imagine it would be too much of a good thing

/half signed

unmatchedfury · Oct 06, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

As long as its for maxed Titles in PvE its fine.
except for protectors and cartogropher. these you should only get emote for having completed 3 maps and/or 3 protectors.

don't see why rank 3 gladiator should get a differnt colered emote. not as fancy as HA but 2 crossed red and blue swords over the head sounds fine

Priest Of Sin · Oct 06, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51

No. We do not need any more people with their heads stuck up their asses because they have a stupid giant golden deer, which is the main thing wrong with PvP right now (see: comments such as "Get a rank, nub!"). PvE (which DOES take skill, and is not all about build. I'm not saying that PvP is all about build, so dont go there) does not need to exclude people.

/notsigned

Zui · Oct 06, 2006, 04:27 AM // 04:27

Forgive the long post...

I agree that certain titles should have emotes. Gladiator, and Champion should have them for sure.

I'm also for maxed(Only maxed ones for the most part, since you DO get other rewards while PvEing) PvE titles like Savior of the Luxon/Kurzick(Yes, I consider ABs PvE content), Grand Master Cartographer(Maybe even plain Master Cartographer), KoBD and People Know Me. Savior titles take alot of dedication, more so than most titles, even though I will admit they don't take much skill to gain, it's not like you're profiting from attaining them. Maxed and near-maxed Cartographer titles also take alot of work and dedication, especaily if you do all the quests you can along the way and don't run them, since that means you've litraly completed 100% of the PvE content in the game, I'd say thats a significant PvE accomplishment. KoBD and People Know Me also show alot of work, even though alot of it could be simply purchased and not require any real effort(Surviror, Protector, Drunard, and Wisdom Titles).

I quite honestly do not think that Drunkard, Wisdom, Treasure Hunter, and Protector titles deserve anything aside from the ability to wear the title. The reason being is, they're either very easy to get, for example Drunkard, Wisdom, and Protector titles can all be done if you have enough gold, by buying Ale, Unid items, or paying people to do missions. Treasure hunter is the only one out of those that requires massive grind, in addition to alot of gold, and I wouldn't consider this to be a huge accomplishment, since you can easily get 80 chests an hour in the right places, and it doesn't take really any skill to actually run them. Meaning the only factor for it is free time and gold...

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Originally Posted by TheBaron82

Emote for Champion (every 3 rank like Heroes), Gladiator (every 3 rank like heroes), Allegiance title (kurz/lux) probably also every 3 rank, for pver have emote for Titles Maxed (Kind of a big deal etc.) and perhaps emote for the new sunspear title starting from Legend.

If you look at the tiering system for Champion and Gladiator, you'd find that it takes alot more time to get either title than it does to get Rank 3, in addition to requiring at least some amount of skill. Champion 1 takes 25 GvGs, above 1200 rating to get, most GvGs that will count are going to last 15-25 minutes. Meaning that this title is going to take at least 6 hours of play against descent opponents, in addition to requiring your guild and team to be good enough to stay in the 1200+ rating range. That's alot harder than getting 180 Fame.

As for Gladiator, rank 1 gladiator is 250 games, that were all part of at least a 10 win streak. Harder to get than a minimum 180 wins for rank 3 that don't require any consecutive wins, or any real minumum skill level. Oh, and Fame scales per consecutive win for rank 3, too.

I really think if you're going to impliment ranks for Champion and Gladiator, the very first rank should get an emote, maybe not give every single rank after that an emote, though, because that would create way too many emotes for theese titles after a time. level 1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15... And so on sounds good to me. Even though there's an absolutly MASSIVE gap from levels 3 and 6 of theese titles, much more so than rank 3 to rank 6.

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Originally Posted by comonnow

The point of the emotes is for being a HERO and taking HoH, and gaining the favor of the gods (for you PvE players who bash on us PvP players). So in a way its a reward for doing a little roleplaying.

TA=kill people
GvG=kill people
AB=huge joke, lower form of PvP than RA imo, but that isnt the point of the thread.

I think you're wrong about a few things here. You don't need to win or hold the hall of heroes even once to get a Hero title. Infact, I'd venture to guess that very few rank 3 players, and less than half of rank 6 players have ever won, much less held the hall of heroes. (I'm talking about *typical* players with theese ranks, not saying it's impossible for descent players, because it certainly is VERY possible)

As for GvG being just "kill people" I think that's blatently wrong. GvG has far more strategic mechanicisms than Heroes Ascent does, on ANY map in Heroes' Ascent.

Oh, and I'm very curious, in reply to another post you said "but there is a GvG championship b/c it takes skill not, build." Yet you claim that "GvG = kill people." I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by comonnow

Now I do a lot of PvP and a little PvE, and PvE players DO NOT deserve emotes at all... its just that simple. To get an emote (even tho i agree r3 is quite easy to get) it takes time and SKILL. PvE does NOT take skill... dont try to argue the point either cause i know. It just takes a lot of time, if you want to waste time runing around a map to get ur cartographer title, good for you and props for doing it, cause i dont have the patience for it, but, it does not take SKILL it just takes time and the right build. You dont have to play against humans, who can improvise, fake spike, call different tactics, run different build combinations etc... u fight NPCs, things who do the same thing every time you encounter them. So, once again, PvE is only grind, not skill thus does not deserve titles, because anyone can do all missions and run around the map, or rage quit out of groups before they die etc, but not everyone can be a good PvPer.

Some PvE titles don't deserve emotes, sure. But IMHO some PvE titles do.

Rank 3 does not take any skill, at all. Sure, it speeds it up. But I wouldn't call being able to pay people to famefarm for you, or just unranked IWAYing(and loosing 90+% of the time even) skilfull. It requires alot of time, or some time, and a good amount of money, the same thing most PvE titles require... I think you could argue that it's harder to explore the entire map with henchmen than it is to get rank 3.

Darth Animal · Oct 06, 2006, 11:11 AM // 11:11

I think emotes for some of the top PvE titles would be an excellent idea. PvP gets more than its fair share of attention, considering that it is really only an incidental entertainment set apart from the main Guild Wars.

Henchman · Oct 06, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

I'd like to see emotes for more titles, but not an emote for every single rank.
I thinks they should be seperated into 2 groups: PVE and PVP.
PvP emotes should keep their repsective yellow/orange color.
PvE emotes should be a different color, like blue or green for example.
As PVE and PVP are 2 different aspects of the game, making the emotes completely different will allow to easily distinguish between the 2, and each emote will earn the respect it acctually deserves.

Clobimon · Oct 06, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

"You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"
- Col. Nathan R. Jessep (Jack Nicholson) in A Few Good Men

For some reason this came to mind.

It seems that there are people that don't understand that there are different play styles involved in GW and that each individual's style means just as much to them. For each person that believes PvE is meaningless, there is someone else that believes PvP is. For someone to think that the world in GW revolves around you because you spend your time fighting in HA is obtuse and self-absorbed. There are many, many people who care less who wins HoH. Nobody is suggesting that emotes should be eliminated for HA players. Again, the thread is about adding something a little more visual to achievements other than one thing. I've played with and still do play with people that are very good players that never even consider going to HA. Much of that has to do with attitudes, but that's another topic. If they dedicated their time to PvP there is no doubt they would do well. However, they've chosen a different direction and they enjoy it. The officers in my guild have done each mission countless times, not only for themselves since they have numerous characters, but also to help each of our members reach their goals. To me they are the heros because they set aside personal schedules to do things multiple times to help others.

Ridiculed · Oct 06, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Ok. I gave it my best half-arsed shot.

Cartographer - Yes, globe is cool
Drunkard - Beer mug
Survivor - whoever comes up with this is a genius
Kurzicks - The animation you get when you drop an urn of victor
Luxons - The animation you get when you drop a spear of archy
KOBD - maybe a meteor falling on your head w/o the knockdown?
Skill hunter - the symbol of your primary prof
Prot of cantha - animation you get for completing masters on a mission
Prot of tyria - animation you get for doing bonus+mission
Treasure hunter - a chest being opened
Wisdom seek - a very arcane looking book being opened

Franco · Oct 06, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27

nice one, i like those. I really wish they would do this ,most people think AB titles are useless...

Sir Mad · Oct 06, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Ridiculed, I like my glowing pink elephant better for drunkard :P

Quote:

Now I do a lot of PvP and a little PvE, and PvE players DO NOT deserve emotes at all... its just that simple. To get an emote (even tho i agree r3 is quite easy to get) it takes time and SKILL. PvE does NOT take skill... dont try to argue the point either cause i know. It just takes a lot of time, if you want to waste time runing around a map to get ur cartographer title, good for you and props for doing it, cause i dont have the patience for it, but, it does not take SKILL it just takes time and the right build.

Erm doesn't PvP require the right build as well? And yeah, even in PvE you must be able to improvise...

I do respect PvP.
I do respect PvE.
I don't respect those who depreciate one aspect of the game. You may not like it, you don't have to say those who do are sub-players.

I and most of those who have worked on the cartographer title (100%) have repeated many times: you CANNOT run 100% of the map. And even if you run high-end areas, yeah it requires skills.

Just an example: yesterday I went with a guildie to Ice Caves of Sorrow to uncover the last 0.x% I needed. We could have joined PUGs, but we took the challenge to do this freakin mission with 2 men. We were not used to the map (I mean, not more than players who did the missions with their chars back in the days). And we made it. We improvised a build and after a couple of attempts we succeeded (and actually this time my guildie did most of the job). This is skill. And a pure PvPer couldn't do that. Not because he is a bad player - just because he wouldn't be used enough to PvE to improvise such a build.

Now, yeah some PvE titles can be "cheated". Yes you could get a prot title in leeching teams. Yes you could get a survivor title in being ran to droks and troll-powerleveld. However thinking most of the PvEers get their titles that is is completely ignoring what PvE in GW is. And I must add with this logic, ranks can be cheated the same way. You can leech a team also in PvP you know, at least to get r3...

So yes PvE titles require skills. Such a PvP titles. No need for depreciating something you don't like.

Cr3V3TT3 · Oct 06, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

/signed.

Eldin · Oct 06, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

/half-signed

There are so many titles I feel there is no need to make a million emotes, nor do we want people to start forming gay "running to <soandso> SHOW SKILL HUNTER EMOTE". But then again, such a thing can already be done by toggling your titles on and off.

A few aren't too bad, though.

Explorer: Perhaps one of those stereotypical "slashing through the jungle with a machete" anims.

Hehe...

Franco · Oct 06, 2006, 07:55 PM // 19:55

lol nah

CHEST RUN SELF INVITE, SHOW EMOTE !! .

Because chest running is so uber hard to do !!!

Sir Mad · Oct 06, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Players can already ask to show the title, it's exactly the same, as stupid as it would be.

falling demon · Oct 06, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Black Destroyer

/not signed
this is stupid... O look i got my tyrian exlporer title now, now i can spam every time when i see somebody my emote Oo, let's annoy some people and say that they suck in PvE because they don't got a emote...
---> Really rediculous idea

O look i used ViMWAY to get R3 now i can spam every time when i see somebody without R3+ and say that they suck in PvP because they don't got an emote..

some people really do not use common sense..

/signed, for certain titles at the max tier

LiamR · Oct 06, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

/signed.

Maybe the cartographer emotes will be you looking around with binoculars. xD

Me And The Henchies · Oct 06, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

r3+ gets an emote right?

Then why make it to where only max PvE titles get emotes? Yeah, I realize there will be people spamming like there is no tomorrow, but maybe for ever level of skill hunter you should get an emote.

Giving pvpers r3+ for emotes, thats only 1 title chain, right?

Don't give more than one PvE title an emote, just like PvP is now.

/signed.

Malice Black · Oct 07, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

No thanks, you get a title underneath name that is good enough.

comonnow · Oct 07, 2006, 03:07 AM // 03:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zui

Forgive the long post...

I agree that certain titles should have emotes. Gladiator, and Champion should have them for sure.

I'm also for maxed(Only maxed ones for the most part, since you DO get other rewards while PvEing) PvE titles like Savior of the Luxon/Kurzick(Yes, I consider ABs PvE content), Grand Master Cartographer(Maybe even plain Master Cartographer), KoBD and People Know Me. Savior titles take alot of dedication, more so than most titles, even though I will admit they don't take much skill to gain, it's not like you're profiting from attaining them. Maxed and near-maxed Cartographer titles also take alot of work and dedication, especaily if you do all the quests you can along the way and don't run them, since that means you've litraly completed 100% of the PvE content in the game, I'd say thats a significant PvE accomplishment. KoBD and People Know Me also show alot of work, even though alot of it could be simply purchased and not require any real effort(Surviror, Protector, Drunard, and Wisdom Titles).

I quite honestly do not think that Drunkard, Wisdom, Treasure Hunter, and Protector titles deserve anything aside from the ability to wear the title. The reason being is, they're either very easy to get, for example Drunkard, Wisdom, and Protector titles can all be done if you have enough gold, by buying Ale, Unid items, or paying people to do missions. Treasure hunter is the only one out of those that requires massive grind, in addition to alot of gold, and I wouldn't consider this to be a huge accomplishment, since you can easily get 80 chests an hour in the right places, and it doesn't take really any skill to actually run them. Meaning the only factor for it is free time and gold...

If you look at the tiering system for Champion and Gladiator, you'd find that it takes alot more time to get either title than it does to get Rank 3, in addition to requiring at least some amount of skill. Champion 1 takes 25 GvGs, above 1200 rating to get, most GvGs that will count are going to last 15-25 minutes. Meaning that this title is going to take at least 6 hours of play against descent opponents, in addition to requiring your guild and team to be good enough to stay in the 1200+ rating range. That's alot harder than getting 180 Fame.

As for Gladiator, rank 1 gladiator is 250 games, that were all part of at least a 10 win streak. Harder to get than a minimum 180 wins for rank 3 that don't require any consecutive wins, or any real minumum skill level. Oh, and Fame scales per consecutive win for rank 3, too.

I really think if you're going to impliment ranks for Champion and Gladiator, the very first rank should get an emote, maybe not give every single rank after that an emote, though, because that would create way too many emotes for theese titles after a time. level 1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15... And so on sounds good to me. Even though there's an absolutly MASSIVE gap from levels 3 and 6 of theese titles, much more so than rank 3 to rank 6.

I think you're wrong about a few things here. You don't need to win or hold the hall of heroes even once to get a Hero title. Infact, I'd venture to guess that very few rank 3 players, and less than half of rank 6 players have ever won, much less held the hall of heroes. (I'm talking about *typical* players with theese ranks, not saying it's impossible for descent players, because it certainly is VERY possible)

As for GvG being just "kill people" I think that's blatently wrong. GvG has far more strategic mechanicisms than Heroes Ascent does, on ANY map in Heroes' Ascent.

Oh, and I'm very curious, in reply to another post you said "but there is a GvG championship b/c it takes skill not, build." Yet you claim that "GvG = kill people." I don't get it.

Some PvE titles don't deserve emotes, sure. But IMHO some PvE titles do.

Rank 3 does not take any skill, at all. Sure, it speeds it up. But I wouldn't call being able to pay people to famefarm for you, or just unranked IWAYing(and loosing 90+% of the time even) skilfull. It requires alot of time, or some time, and a good amount of money, the same thing most PvE titles require... I think you could argue that it's harder to explore the entire map with henchmen than it is to get rank 3.

OK, u missed understood my point. I know GvG isnt just killing people, seeing as how thas what i do. Its the highest form of PvP in the game that requires the most coordination and skill.

Now to re-state my point. Basically in HA, your ultimate goal is to take the Hall of Heros (I know some teams dont but thats for another forum). And by doing this you earn the favor of the gods. OK? Now, in GvG your goal is to kill the Guild Lord... see what imsaying? I think the HA emotes are there b/c By winning many PvP battles, u "help your country" and thus are a hero, worthy of a title and an emote.

Now, for those of you who say PvE does require skill, and PvP players couldnt do certain things (like 2-man ice caves), that is just ridiculous. Anyone can do this in PvE because all you have to do is see what is in the area you need to clear, then design SPECIFIC builds to either survive it or kill it. No skill is required just a little creativity maybe. It takes no skill to do. period.

Now, I know im bashing on PvE players a bit, but in all honesty I do quite a bit of PvE myself, not for fun but beacause i want my characters to look good. So before anyone decides to bash on me about PvE not taking skill hear this, I say this because i know this from experience. I've done all the PvE in the game and its mindless grind, thats it. If people want to PvE thats fine and dandy and I'm not gonna bash on you, but it doesnt deserve titles at all because all you have to do is grind.