Curse

Sniper22 · Jul 24, 2008, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Here's a solution that can be used to solve the rank grinding issue. Add scrolls that can be bought from merchants or consumable traders. These scrolls will act like...

Scroll of the Norn [Normal Mode] - You and your party gain 2 reputation points whenever you kill a foe in normal mode. This scroll cannot bring your rank above 8. This scroll does not work with norn bounty or any other reputation scroll active.

Scroll of the Norn [Hard Mode] - You and your party gain 2 reputation points whenever you kill a foe in hard mode. This scroll does not work with norn bounty or any other reputation scroll active.

This way, you can continue doing your missions, quests, and vanquishing normally while still gaining reputation points. This will hopefully eliminate the need for grinding the titles.

Edit to clarify - Ok these are intended to work outside of the norn/whatever area to gain points and those with eotn can gain points. Also, these scrolls shouldn't stack with the bounty of that area, so you wouldn't get double norn points from bounty and scroll, but maybe you can get asura bounty and norn scroll?

Shayne Hawke · Jul 24, 2008, 02:21 PM // 14:21

The respective scrolls will certainly have to be purchased from the respective traders.

I'm not sure why you chose the NM scroll to stop at r7, but I would suggest that the HM scroll at least give double points of the NM scroll. Bounties after every 25 kills probably shouldn't be awarded.

Good idea, allows less time to be wasted on simply grinding the title.

/signed

Mitchel · Jul 24, 2008, 03:26 PM // 15:26

So this means someone without EotN can max Norn?

Kanyatta · Jul 24, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Mitchel

So this means someone without EotN can max Norn?

That's exactly what I was thinking. Unless the stipulation was added like "This item can only be used in Norn territories"

the Puppeteer · Jul 24, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Mitchel

So this means someone without EotN can max Norn?

It would be made to work only in norn areas duh

footballfan159 · Jul 24, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19

i think this would be a great idea but why restrict it to the respective territory only? if you don't have eotn you could still gain rep for the title but you couldn't benefit from the skills so whats the point. or you could just have them customized for a char when it's bought and that would solve everything

zelgadissan · Jul 24, 2008, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Sniper22

This way, you can continue doing your missions, quests, and vanquishing normally while still gaining reputation points. This will hopefully eliminate the need for grinding the titles.

I think I'm missing something here. If it's restricted to Norn/whatever territory (this might be the point of confusion for the last few of us who have commented), then the only thing you currently don't get the points for is when you're doing the book quests (Blood Washes Blood, Curse of the Nornbear, etc.). Other quests, vanquishing, those all give you the points assuming you remembered to talk to the guy standing right by you as you enter the zone. So how is this reducing title grind exactly?

Also random thought - if it's not Norn/whatever territory, there's no mention of what happens if you're vanquishing, say, Gyala Hatchery. Kurzick/Luxon isn't a Norn bounty or a rep scroll, so Kurzick/Luxon+Norn?

Withholding my vote until clarification.

CoopaTroopa · Jul 24, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

It wouldn't really make sense to allow use only in Norn territory because the bonuses you get from the shrines would be a lot better (for the bonuses and bosses). I think it's a cool idea if you could figure out a way to keep them out of the hands of non-eotn players. And yes, this would make fairly easy titles more attainable, but that doesn't mean its not a good idea. Less pointless grind sounds fantastic to me.

Jetdoc · Jul 24, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Sunspear and Lightbringer would be crazy, as you could just go outside in the Plains of Jarin and kill a bunch of level 1 plants and get to Rank 7 in no time.

payne · Jul 24, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Sniper22

Scroll of the Norn [Normal Mode] - You and your party gain 2 reputation points whenever you kill a foe in normal mode. This scroll cannot bring your rank above 7. This scroll does not work with norn bounty or any other reputation scroll active.

shouldn't it be 8? as that stops at NM - cant raise above 8 in NM so shouldn't scrolls get to lvl8?

Tender Wolf · Jul 24, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Interesting idea but it needs some better "details" if you will. Like this:

Scroll of the Norn: While in Norn territory, you gain double rep points, and it would be based on which hunt rank you currently have. So basically it would be like a rampage bonus but it wouldn't run out if you didn't kill a foe in 45 seconds. It would last the same amount of time as any other scroll.

Same with Asuran and Vanguard, the scroll will only work in that territory. And of course it works for both hard mode and normal mode, but if you're in normal mode your rank can't go above 8. These scrolls would help since you only start out at one point per dead foe in NM and two for HM. If you continue to get hunt rank up and have a scroll it would make grinding less boring.

As for SS/LB, it's already easy enough to do but I do see the point. Grinding is boring and you want to get it over with. But the scroll should only work in certain places, like a place that only gives maybe 4 Sunspear points per kill instead of 8. Something like that.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jul 24, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

That's exactly what I was thinking. Unless the stipulation was added like "This item can only be used in Norn territories"

Um, if it doesnt work with Norn Bounty would'nt this be useless? With the exception of the missions in the norn area? WHy buy a scroll if you can just talk to a shrine priest and get alot more points/benefits?

Miss Puddles · Jul 24, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Sunspear and Lightbringer would be crazy, as you could just go outside in the Plains of Jarin and kill a bunch of level 1 plants and get to Rank 7 in no time.

i don't think you should be able to use a NM scroll in low level areas. in NM you can't get bounties in istan beyond a certain SS level, why should you be able to use a scroll to get around that system? it's there for a good reason.

/signed anyway. a lot of people have maxed these titles already but don't want to repeat the grind on another character. these titles are easy to get already, it isn't about making them any easier. but if we're going to have to grind out these titles multiple times, at least make it go faster!

Dark Paladin X · Jul 24, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

bright idea /partiallysigned

Like other suggested, make this limited to EotN areas only or requires EotN to use. Otherwise, I would use the scroll while doing missions in Factions and Nightfall.

Xx Da Best Xx · Jul 24, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

I think its an alright idea, it would make more sense if it could only be used in HM so people wouldnt farm on lvl 3's. Maybe if you couldn't use the scroll unless you're r8 in eotn titles, r6 in lb title and r7 in ss...

yarddog · Jul 24, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

/not signed, these titles were extremely easy to max and required very little effort. the grind is also less than other titles that need to be adjusted to lower maximums. just my .02.

Steps_Descending · Jul 24, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

/not signed

The idea of bounty scroll sounds good but I don't like the idea of killing bugs in a petrified forest and having the ebon vanguard care about it.

Though something like : You gain double ______ reputation points sounds cool.
Just too bad it wouldn't work in dungeons. How about they allow to gain (say...) asura faction in Asura controled dungeon (I KNOW THE DUNGEONS ARENT CONTROLLED BY THE ASURA/NORN/... BUT YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING dont you?)

EDIT : that would also fix the non-GWEN-player problem

Kanyatta · Jul 24, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan

Um, if it doesnt work with Norn Bounty would'nt this be useless? With the exception of the missions in the norn area? WHy buy a scroll if you can just talk to a shrine priest and get alot more points/benefits?

Because maybe this scroll stacks with the shrine priest benefits? The details of this whole thing are really sketchy, which makes it hard for me to get on board. I just said, if this was implemented, couldn't someone get a stack of these scrolls, vanquish Old Ascalon HM and max Norn without owning EotN? Wouldn't that cause them to sell a few less copies of EotN to the people who are like "I really don't want it, but I need titles for KoaBD, so that makes it worth my $20." If you can get the titles without owning EotN, that will be a few less copies sold.

MithranArkanere · Jul 24, 2008, 11:04 PM // 23:04

YEAH!

Each faction should have its crafter specialty:
- Norn : Chalices
- Ebon: Powerstones
- Deldrimor: Armor
- Asuran: Orbs
- Luxon/Kurzick: Vigilante Insight Scroll. (+Faction/Promotion/Reputation)
- Sunspear: "You are not alone" item: Summons a Sunspear Standard and a party of 4 Sunspear of 8 random professions (One of them always a monk or a paragon) that will stay deployed there for 30 minutes. Useful for quests and missions where you have to 'defend' something. Only one Standard can be active in one area at a time.
- Lightbringer: "Secret" item: Summons a Djinn merchant(Diamond djinn appearance) that stays in the area for 30 minutes, which has the same items available at Guild merchants and can Sell, Buy and Customize. Only one djinn can be active in an area at a time.

That would make things even.

Of course, the scroll would work in a different way with each title:
- Luxon/Faction: +250%
- Lightbringer/Sunspear: +25%
- Norn/Ebon/Asuran/Deldrimor: +50%
Of course, they would increase ONLY single kills. They will NOT stack with boss kill bonuses, nor special bonuses like rampage, etc, and of course, it won't affect quests and won't work in PvP.
So it would be usefull only in Vanquishings and Normal mode area clearings, never with 'specialized runs'.

crazybanshee · Jul 24, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

eh, these titles are really stinking easy anyway if you just fill play the game nm and hm and turn your books in wisely. How about scroll of the luxon/kurzick, those titles are real grind fests.