Curse

Sirius Bsns · Jul 29, 2010, 02:54 AM // 02:54

After reviewing this thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/e...t10444901.html, I was inspired to create this new thread to suggest to the Live Team making room for new, fun, and interesting [elite] skills and scatter them throughout their appropriate campaigns/areas while retiring the old, flawed, or broken skills that just didn't cut it [similar to how they removed the TA and HB arenas]. This in turn would make them some more money, rekindle interests in campaigning and PvPing. I understand that there'd be some underlying issues like "Elite Skills Hunter Titles", but not to fret. Anet can allow those current title holders to retain their titles without needing to cap the newer ones, and can actually keep the same requirements as they are. In other words, the newest list would not be needed, and shouldn't be added to the GW Wiki Elite "Skill Hunter's" list. Which skills do you deem worthy of the "old/flawed/broken skills? Create your lists here. Also: Any other foreseen issues with this idea? Please feel free to unveil them here on this thread. Discuss!

Dawn Angelheart · Jul 29, 2010, 03:21 AM // 03:21

I'm pretty sure they can't take skills out of the game.

Hence the split of Pvp/Pve

Look at Smiters Boon(Pvp) this is what they do when they want a skill removed from the game. They just make it madness to actually use it.

Zenzai · Jul 29, 2010, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by Dawn Angelheart

I'm pretty sure they can't take skills out of the game.

Hence the split of Pvp/Pve

Look at Smiters Boon(Pvp) this is what they do when they want a skill removed from the game. They just make it madness to actually use it.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_removed_skills

They can and have.

Del · Jul 29, 2010, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by Zenzai

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_removed_skills

They can and have.

Moot. They were removed before release. If only they did the same with non-core classes though.

RedStar · Jul 29, 2010, 07:01 AM // 07:01

It would be better to just rework the old/flawed/broken skills.

gremlin · Jul 29, 2010, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Just a few thoughts on this subject.

There are of course skills that will be seldom if ever chosen because they are not as good as others, this is natural and will be found in any game.
You learn skills in a certain order and skills you use at first get replaced with better ones later on.

Some say that there are far to many skills in the game if so I certainly don't mind its just more choice for players.
I believe many skills where only intended for creature use, there are mobs in pve that are quite effective because of the skill combinations they use but I wouldn't ever bother with them.

Adding skills changing skills and splitting skills into pve and pvp versions have caused problems in the past, not sure what such a major overhaul would cause, they would probably still be balancing the game for the next few years.

So while I do like the idea I doubt its worth all the problems it would cause.

Lanier · Jul 29, 2010, 02:05 PM // 14:05

I think what they need to do is simply identify the elites that are obviously underpowered and do something about them rather than removing/adding skills. In the thread mentioned in the OP, I made a post giving suggestions for toning down all the ovepowered rit elites and giving slight buffs to the underpowered rit elites. I think doing something along this line is what they should focus on.

Fleeting · Jul 29, 2010, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by RedStar

It would be better to just rework the old/flawed/broken skills.

This. A slew of completely new skills has a good chance of either making PvP better or completely destroying it again (months of SWAY?). I'd rather the team just carefully tune what's already in-game.

Rugar · Jul 29, 2010, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Sirius Bsns

[similar to how they removed the TA and HB arenas].

Adding and removing skills have a much deeper effect on the game than removing PvP modes/arenas.

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Originally Posted by Sirius Bsns

This in turn would make them some more money,

How?

Benderama · Jul 29, 2010, 04:36 PM // 16:36

most skills that i see are flawed or the has drawbacks that outweigh the benefit could easily be reworkd, although some instant cast time spells for binding rituals really need re-working if they're still not changed.

Lithril Ashwalker · Jul 29, 2010, 05:38 PM // 17:38

instead of making this thjread aboutsuggesting they remove or replace them...just literally whine on another thread listing skills that arent really used like
Shadow Shroud
Shroud of silence
etc..

gremlin · Jul 29, 2010, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Benderama

most skills that i see are flawed or the has drawbacks that outweigh the benefit could easily be reworkd, although some instant cast time spells for binding rituals really need re-working if they're still not changed.

Easily ?
Your joking of course

They "Fix" a skill then find that several encounters in pve either become next to impossible of completely easy.

Then they discover that the new fixed skill is dominating pvp at the expense of all other builds.
So they re fix it and re re fix it.

Which is where we are at the moment with skills being fixed nerfed or rebalanced use whatever term you like.

What it comes down to I suspect is a broken skill doesn't cause them any problems because it isn't used.

Soon as people start using skills they become problems for the team so why on earth would they want to add to their workload by fixing more skills.

Commander Kanen · Jul 29, 2010, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Key thing is. Dervish and paragon skills have to be fearly good skills as they get less choice of skills overall.

I would rather have 20 bad skills for monk that i never use rather than 5 bad dervish skills.
Get what i mean ?

Morphy · Jul 30, 2010, 05:50 AM // 05:50

This suggestion makes no sense. Why would you remove skills and then add new ones to the game when you can just recycle the flawed skills?

Artisan Archer · Jul 30, 2010, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by Morphy

This suggestion makes no sense. Why would you remove skills and then add new ones to the game when you can just recycle the flawed skills?

Cause there are too many...?

Morphy · Jul 30, 2010, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

Cause there are too many...?

So you introduce more skills? Yeah, great idea. Honestly, if you want to end up with less skills, you can delete some and rework others. Regardless of how you go about it, you don't need to introduce new skills.

Mintha Syl · Jul 30, 2010, 09:24 AM // 09:24

What's there so bad in many skills? If you don't want them, don't get them for your chars. Problem solved. But some people likes to have so much choice. You know, at least for fun's sake. And if something could be rearranged to work better...that's what updates are for. But deleting and adding would really be bad bad.

fowlero · Jul 30, 2010, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Originally Posted by Morphy

This suggestion makes no sense. Why would you remove skills and then add new ones to the game when you can just recycle the flawed skills?

Agree with this.

If they're gonna buff stuff though make sure they run it by the tk thoroughly, last time they buffed a bunch of elites is demonstration enough they need help doing it.

Vecte · Jul 30, 2010, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by Benderama

most skills that i see are flawed or the has drawbacks that outweigh the benefit could easily be reworkd, although some instant cast time spells for binding rituals really need re-working if they're still not changed.

Yes, this is "EASILY" done. Everyone who plays a melee class absolutely LOVES Empathy. This is an example of an "EASILY" done buff to a skill that made it ridiculously overpowered in PvP. It has to be, and will be tweaked again. It takes at least 2-4 tries, if not more, to get a skill change right. Honestly, balancing skills is probably the HARDEST thing to do in a game such as this one.

jazilla · Jul 30, 2010, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Come on! That would get rid of all but two skills in the Motivation Attribute!