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Agar · Jul 13, 2010, 11:22 PM // 23:22

It would be fun imo if they changed the current Arenas in the PvE Towns (Ascalon, Kamadan etc.) that have a low level req and remake them to a fun 1vs1 game where everyone has the same skills (gladiator skills?).

People will be able to witness the games live and bet on the players. Among the awards for beting will be lucky and unlucky points. Also gladiators that win on this game will be awarded with gamer points. No new titles for this.

What do you guys think?

**Marty Silverblade** · Jul 13, 2010, 11:28 PM // 23:28

1) Betting on players will get abused. People will nominate themselves as winners or losers for the purpose of other people farming them for whichever lucky/unlucky title they want.
2) I seriously doubt people will be interested in this. 1v1 with fixed skills reminds me of polymock, which is probably the most annoying/fail part of PvE.

/notsigned.

Agar · Jul 13, 2010, 11:42 PM // 23:42

1) And why should the other player agree to lose?

2) Games with fixed skills can always be made fun. Plus its going to be a way for people to farm gamer point other than wait for the festival events to come.

Gabriel of Ravn · Jul 13, 2010, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Betting on the matches would be a horrible idea I can already see someone with multiple accounts betting on themselves to lose to rack up lucky/unlucky whatever the reward is.

/notsigned

**Marty Silverblade** · Jul 13, 2010, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agar

1) And why should the other player agree to lose?

2) Games with fixed skills can always be made fun. Plus its going to be a way for people to farm gamer point other than wait for the festival events to come.

1) If he/she isn't interested in gamer points and may receive some form of other reward from the winner/people fixing the event.

2) I seriously doubt this can be made fun. Describe to me how a 1v1 format could possibly not be a complete failure. Also, I don't think there are nearly as many people who care about the gamer title as there are people looking for the others. As such, only the gamer title people will play it, which means there's a tiny player-base to start with, which means the arena will be deserted after a while unless Anet really really got it right (or put in unbalanced rewards).

Lanier · Jul 14, 2010, 01:36 AM // 01:36

/notsigned

1v1s are not fun. I would far prefer something like the gw2 arena suggested in another thread, a random sealed deck arena, or a costume brawl arena with builds changing weekly to different characters.

HigherMinion · Jul 14, 2010, 01:41 AM // 01:41

I'd like the Arenas in PvE to allow PvE skills

Also Polymock vs human would be fun.

Eragon Zarroc · Jul 14, 2010, 05:09 AM // 05:09

It would be cool if they made them into some type of game

but not 1v1 >_<

Sirius Bsns · Jul 14, 2010, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Describe to me how a 1v1 format could possibly not be a complete failure.

By establishing a fixed meta, carefully constructed with hand-picked skills/builds that require the best timing to execute and counter each other players' build/skills. It'd take alot of careful and precise planning, but it can happen.

It'd be kind of like Codex, except not just random baed skillz taht our baed, but good skills that're gooooood, not baaaaed, but gooooood, not baaaeeed, GOOOOOOD. Codex = Random baedness, which is baed, and filled with baedness, and random baedness is baaaaaed.

Fill an arena with fixed, awesome skill-requiring builds that're mandatory to participate and watch players invest in the needed campaigns to unlock the goodies and enter. You'd be witnessing an amazing arena for once!

Maver1ck87 · Jul 14, 2010, 08:49 AM // 08:49

I think im the only person here who loves 1v1.... there is nothing more fun than a guild having a 1v1 tournament and all betting 10k and winner takes all (knockout etc...) u can have great fun with it, and meta does not become stagnant like in 4v4 and 8v8. The problem with 4v4 and 8v8 is that certain team builds have imba symetry, same as with hero battles before it died. The great thing about 1v1 is there is no one build that can be countered... and the other great thing is that actually player skill does come into it a lot. I have had so much fun over the years 1v1ing with mates and stuff i think that an organised 1v1 arena would be awesome. I know plenty of my mates would agree, and i know several guilds that are 1v1 orientated and have daily tournaments

u dont need to pug teams like in HA (so people will not be able to complain about elitism cos ur only r2 1/2 and dont get picked). Winning would be down to ur brain, and ur skillz. U dont get stuck with echo mending monks and frenzy heal siggers like RA.

About the betting, well, dont really care, but simple way to make it not abused is to make the reward tiny (e.g. 1 luck point for example). But that would be kinda pointless so dont care either way!

Also, why would u need fixed skills? Name me 1 skill that is OPed and cant be countered by ANYTHING? Aside from d shot of course which is just so OPed! But yeah, i rekon any skillz go and u would get a pretty variable meta game that would shift without needing skill balances!

gogogo /signedish

t00115577 · Jul 14, 2010, 10:12 AM // 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agar

1) And why should the other player agree to lose?

They wouldnt bet on Player A to lose, Player B's friends would bet on Player A to win and Player B would throw the match. Thus farming lucky points.

/signed for re-working low level arenas to give some kind of reward

/not signed on betting

rkubik · Jul 14, 2010, 11:23 AM // 11:23

I agree with not a 1V1 scenario but something would be cool to utilize those raes I think it would be nice if they could incorporate some of the festival games into each arena. Possibly having Kamadan being a nine-rings, ascalon being beetle racing etc. It would be another place to grab some titles if you can't get on for the festivals and I think it would help some of the lag we see on the events as it wouldn't be the only chance to do some of these things. I think anything to help bring players in would be good and the 1V1 type of games would not do it in my opinion.

Morphy · Jul 14, 2010, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

I think im the only person here who loves 1v1.... there is nothing more fun than a guild having a 1v1 tournament and all betting 10k and winner takes all (knockout etc...) u can have great fun with it, and meta does not become stagnant like in 4v4 and 8v8. The problem with 4v4 and 8v8 is that certain team builds have imba symetry, same as with hero battles before it died. The great thing about 1v1 is there is no one build that can be countered... and the other great thing is that actually player skill does come into it a lot. I have had so much fun over the years 1v1ing with mates and stuff i think that an organised 1v1 arena would be awesome. I know plenty of my mates would agree, and i know several guilds that are 1v1 orientated and have daily tournaments

u dont need to pug teams like in HA (so people will not be able to complain about elitism cos ur only r2 1/2 and dont get picked). Winning would be down to ur brain, and ur skillz. U dont get stuck with echo mending monks and frenzy heal siggers like RA.

About the betting, well, dont really care, but simple way to make it not abused is to make the reward tiny (e.g. 1 luck point for example). But that would be kinda pointless so dont care either way!

Also, why would u need fixed skills? Name me 1 skill that is OPed and cant be countered by ANYTHING? Aside from d shot of course which is just so OPed! But yeah, i rekon any skillz go and u would get a pretty variable meta game that would shift without needing skill balances!

gogogo /signedish

I sincerely hope you're joking. 1v1 is the most buildwarsish form of PvP imaginable, not to mention that a full bar of heal skills can keep you alive indefinitely. I don't know about you, but stalemates before a game even started don't seem like much fun to me.

Moonstalker · Jul 14, 2010, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Player1: "What are you?"
Player2: "A Paladin. What are you?"
Player1: "A Paladin."

Now give them both absolute stubbornness, and you have a 45 minute fight!

A lot of the above problems as well. Mostly being fixed games.

/not signed

Maver1ck87 · Jul 14, 2010, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morphy

I sincerely hope you're joking. 1v1 is the most buildwarsish form of PvP imaginable, not to mention that a full bar of heal skills can keep you alive indefinitely. I don't know about you, but stalemates before a game even started don't seem like much fun to me.

Ummm..... a) I never said it was buildwarsish, of course it would be buildwarsish, because certain builds would always pwn other builds... cripshot vs a war, Speall breaker vs an ele WHATEVER.... BUT.... it would not be a stale meta, because of there being SOOO many counters to each skill set, there would never be a situation where everyone is running the same thing, because there will always be a counter... in 8v8 formats the most OPed 8v8 builds become the meta game because there generallly are few counters to them... in this, there will always be counters to whatever build u run, that would mean the meta would shift the whole time preventing it becoming stagnant like TA (Hex hex hex hex hex vs dual monk). And you would be pretty retarded to take a full bar of heal skills into it... cos it is 1v1 not Waste 8 mins v Waste 8 mins. That can be said about gvg... u could just go in with 8 monks.... but u wouldnt kill and thats kinda the point of COMBAT. And also, u ever played ranger GvG? there is nothing more fun in whole of guild wars than going 1v1 with another cripshot ranger in gvg. Great fun and if u play better u win! You need to go do some 1v1 tourneys in a guild and you would change ur mind! promise ya!

Astral_Nomad · Jul 14, 2010, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agar

It would be fun imo if they changed the current Arenas in the PvE Towns (Ascalon, Kamadan etc.) that have a low level req and remake them to a fun 1vs1 game where everyone has the same skills (gladiator skills?).

People will be able to witness the games live and bet on the players. Among the awards for beting will be lucky and unlucky points. Also gladiators that win on this game will be awarded with gamer points. No new titles for this.

What do you guys think?

1) same skills = Doppleganger quest.. not likely to happen even if they could match up professions theres no guarantee that both players will have access to all the same skills..

2) In some countries its illegal to gamble, even if not for real money (still promotes gambling)... doubt A-net wants to open that can of worms. Besides that, it would only give the scammers one more avenue to get real money cash for fixed fights.

MithranArkanere · Jul 15, 2010, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Again this?
I though I already explained what those need.

Look at this:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Journey_to_the_North

Get the picture?

Enter a level 10 arena, instantly become a level 10, with level 10 armor, level 10 health, level 10 stats, etc.
It won't matter if you are level 1 or level 20, you'll be the same as a level 10 character while in there.

It has been done before, it can be done again, and it should be done as soon as possible.

That's all they need. An effect balancing people in there, that also allows characters of higher levels to join in.

Missing HB · Jul 15, 2010, 06:49 AM // 06:49

That would be a fun idea , since i noticed more and more players just get enough in pvp, and would like a format where the win depend on themselves( like in HB ) .
AB/JQ/FA = rely on other teams/players with you, basically pontless if you have 6 warriors..
Ha/GvG = 1 dc makes you lose + you cannot play it when you want to + you need wait hours to form + common and fast disbands when lose..
RA = most of time waste of time and fun having no monk or very bad players. DC makes you lose for sure aswell.
Codex = nothing to say , impossible to play it .
The meta builds played in al lthese arenas finish to ruin all fun lasting .

The same kind of thing happens for event games : dragon arena , rollerbeetle ,etc.. got the same problems than RA.
Some people might tell : if you don't like pvp just leave it. Ok ,i know Guild wars is based on team game to the win, but i don't believe many players have fun in pvp due to all reasons i mentionned ( proof is the numbers of players who still remain in pvp ..) Some easy fixes in every arenas have been suggested for months if not years , and nothing was done

So , i totally agree with making a glad 1v1 arena , although it would need easy fixes ( like not making a zquest ), and it might have some build problems , but it would be very accessible format, where the win would rely on yourself and where you could play when you want to.
Or why not ( yes i'm asking again ) simply deleting codex arena , and adding back HB/TA with just removing the quest associated ??

However , since the last update we got in pvp , not concerning builds , was about 1 year ago ( add of NPC's in HA after a ridiculous contest ) , i can't expect much. I know they're working on GW2 , and i recognize the war in kryta was very good , but it would be nice to get something in pvp too ..

Mintha Syl · Jul 15, 2010, 08:35 AM // 08:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Enter a level 10 arena, instantly become a level 10, with level 10 armor, level 10 health, level 10 stats, etc.
It won't matter if you are level 1 or level 20, you'll be the same as a level 10 character while in there.

It has been done before, it can be done again, and it should be done as soon as possible.

That's all they need. An effect balancing people in there, that also allows characters of higher levels to join in.

I don't thing the lvl would be enough for balance, you would be lvl 10 but still have elite skills and whatever a lvl 10 char should/could not have.

HigherMinion · Jul 15, 2010, 12:18 PM // 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

I don't thing the lvl would be enough for balance, you would be lvl 10 but still have elite skills and whatever a lvl 10 char should/could not have.

Since elite tomes, most people have elite skills on their second/third character after level 3~.