Curse

fr.aodhan · Aug 22, 2010, 04:50 PM // 16:50

I would like to know if an enchantment\hex I own is applied to my current target. I can check for both on myself by searching through my status, but it would be great if the individual skill icons had border indicators. It would clean up the screen and add the hex functionality.

Think grid for GW.

Masmar · Aug 22, 2010, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Mashiyu · Aug 22, 2010, 05:57 PM // 17:57

If I understood you correctly, you want indicators on your *skillbar* to see if your target is affected by that ench/hex.

It seems to be a good idea, but I have some concerns:

1.) You cannot remove your own enchantments from your effects list (i think that's what you ment with "clean up the screen"), because it is not only important IF the ench is on you but also WHERE in the effect list it is (because the latest enchantments are removed first)

2.) I *think* it is a game mechanic - not an interface restriction - that you dont know under what effects your targets are.

3.) It would be better to see the complete effect list of your target (and perhaps a highlighting for your own skills), BUT
a) That would lead to a "more overloaded" screen
b) see 2)

so I would tend to /notsigned

Edit: @Masmar counting durations isn't reliable because enchs/hexes can be removed while the ench/hex indicator is still there

fr.aodhan · Aug 22, 2010, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Sorry, I don't understand. Are you saying that the player should be keeping a count of all applied skills?

fr.aodhan · Aug 22, 2010, 06:06 PM // 18:06

That is an interesting point about the stacking order. I would have to weigh ignorance there with expanding knowledge elsewhere, but I imagine the loss would prohibitively unpopular.

Thanks for the reply.

Masmar · Aug 22, 2010, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by fr.aodhan

Sorry, I don't understand. Are you saying that the player should be keeping a count of all applied skills?

pretty much.
If you cast empathy on an enemy, when theyre attacking without taking damage its gone.
Short skills such as gaurdian/stab can be counted.

fr.aodhan · Aug 22, 2010, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Or they are under enchantments that prevent damage, etc. I do not believe that the situation is as simple as you portray it.

Edit: it is not always the case that each person or h/h on a team brings unique skills which report identifiable packets of damage back to the caster. I am willing to buy the argument that it is a game mechanic, but not that we can subvert it by clever mental math.

*lemming* · Aug 22, 2010, 10:46 PM // 22:46

I don't mean to sound like a dick when I suggest that you get better at the game. Hex removal skills have spell effects.

Bobby2 · Aug 22, 2010, 11:33 PM // 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

I don't mean to sound like a dick when I suggest that you get better at the game. Hex removal skills have spell effects.

I'mma have to go with this

Anything related to hexes shouldn't need any more help playing the game

fr.aodhan · Aug 22, 2010, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

I don't mean to sound like a dick when I suggest that you get better at the game.

Being able to see a portion of the skills applying to a target should not necessarily be an indictment of a player, as it's a fairly standard ability in a lot of games like this. If it was an intentional choice for game mechanic (as was suggested above) it's interesting. If it wasn't, I think it would make for an interesting and useful addition.

It's not unheard of, even in GW. An assassin, for instance, is given an indication of where he is in his chain, though that's much easier to keep track of than a hex a henchman may or may not have recently cast and may or may not have been stripped and might or might not be about to be overwritten.

In any case, my main is a Dervish and it's not beyond even me to keep track of those enchantments. Is it possible I'm suggesting it because I think it would be good, not because I'm bad?

Shayne Hawke · Aug 23, 2010, 12:34 AM // 00:34

I'm not completely against the idea of something like this, but really, it isn't terribly difficult to keep track in your mind.

fr.aodhan · Aug 23, 2010, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Quote:

I'm not completely against the idea of something like this, but really, it isn't terribly difficult to keep track in your mind.

I doubt that the average player is able to keep track of, say, stripped or prematurely released Protective Spirits on multiple characters who have other enchantments. Can you remember that you've cast a couple in the past ten seconds? Nobody's disputing that, but your role extends beyond casting the spell and assuming it lasts as long as was intended.

As an apparently necessary aside, I'm not suggesting this because the game is too difficult when one might accidentally overwrite or neglect a particular enchantment or hex. I will - if my luck outweighs my badness - survive an overwritten Empathy or stripped Protective Spirit. As I said, this extra knowledge would be great, not the game-fixing miracle I need to keep playing.

In any case, the idea's been put out there and I've gotten a good look at its reception. Thanks!

Lanier · Aug 23, 2010, 02:47 AM // 02:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

I'm not completely against the idea of something like this, but really, it isn't terribly difficult to keep track in your mind.

This might be true but thats no reason to be against the idea. Personally, although i dont think it would be necessary, i think this would be a cool addition to the game. Maybe it could work in a way that you see which of your skills are affecting another person when you scroll your curser over them. Would be really nice for necros/rits applying death nova/jagged bones or necros applying tainted flesh as well.

Yaksha · Aug 23, 2010, 03:48 AM // 03:48

I'd like a way to keep track of information like this, if only to put players on the same level as heroes.

It kind of annoys me that heroes can be better at doing certain things, only because they have access to more information.

I'd be curious though, if you cast a 30sec hex on an enemy. Then the enemy removed it. Does the hero know it's removed?

i.e. is the hero actually able to see whether the hex is still on the enermy? Or is it just simply able to keep track of what it's cast and keep track of timers perfectly? Or is it that the hero can see all the skills enemies are casting at once, and will notice when the hex-removal is cast?

Wish Swiftdeath · Aug 23, 2010, 04:30 AM // 04:30

/Not signed, hexway is brainless enough. Just watch the field or use the timer..

Targren · Aug 23, 2010, 04:52 AM // 04:52

/signed because I'd like to see this for conditions. Some have obvious markers (Burning, Disease), but not all (Is that brown icon for weakness or cracked armor?), and since it's not a solo game, "keep track" of the skills you use is pretty meaningless advice.

Life Bringing · Aug 23, 2010, 05:01 AM // 05:01

/not signed. Hexway would just be even more lame

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 23, 2010, 07:54 AM // 07:54

/notsigned

There are better things for Anet to spend time on. Besides, being able to know where your hexes/enchants are is part of your role. We don't need to make it easier.

KZaske · Aug 23, 2010, 08:05 AM // 08:05

I might consider signing a UI clean-up request, but I have no clue wht the OP wants or why.
/NOTSIGNED

Coast · Aug 23, 2010, 01:23 PM // 13:23

not signed
do some more effort