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Reverend Dr · Oct 15, 2010, 05:50 AM // 05:50

Because those of us that have PvP with at least some frequency for a few months with minimal degree of success already have a PvP title? In addition to the many PvE HoM points we ended up just getting by playing the game?

Sirius Bsns · Oct 15, 2010, 06:08 AM // 06:08

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Well I guess us QQers arnt as leet as you are at this game.

I don't understand why some people assume its easy to get these titles.

It's not difficult to get a few ranks into any title [except maybe for Champion... you need at least 8 constantly active friends PLUS meet the guild rating requirement(s)]. To max a PvP title is a totally different case altogether. If you're talking about just getting "a" title, then [read quote below]:

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Those of us that have PvP'd with at least some frequency for a few months with minimal degree of success already have a PvP title.

You have to try first, though.

MalibuBarbie · Oct 15, 2010, 06:59 AM // 06:59

I resent the fact that you are calling PvP players all elitists. I am a former PvP player and I have embraced PvE ...for the most part. I was excited to see the combination of titles...as it kinda forces people to actually PLAY together. ....Yes, purchasing Zkeys can be done, but I think once the HoM Calculator was posted, it forced some people to play certain parts of the game they never have before. For example: I have never done any of the Challenge missions until I actually needed remnants....was kinda fun

Going back to my first statement however, don't assume all PvP players are nasty bullies :P We LOVE TOO!

If you don't believe me...see community events

Swahnee · Oct 15, 2010, 10:57 AM // 10:57

I don't think anything should be changed at all, because, actually, there isn't any PvP requirement in HoM. Even if it's written "one PvP title", it doesn't mean that you are actually required to do PvP. In fact, zaishen title can be obtained without stepping foot into "real" pvp. Even if you aren't rich, you can farm elite zaishen (which clearly isn't pvp) with some friend (with all these people wanting to fill HoM it shouldn't be difficult to find 3 other ones to play with) and gain zkeys through balth faction. Yes, it's slower than winning MaT's, but you can totally avoid PvP if you want, and it's without doubt faster than achieving GWAMM. You can also play CM's (which are far more PvE than PvP, having basically to kill NPC's to win) to gain balth. Maybe it doesn't synergize well with other PvE titles, but heh, you can't have everything.

Then, theoretically i should agree with those saying that to achieve the full HoM rewards one should play all aspects of the game, but being this the case, one should master all aspects of PvE (all missions and quests, all campaigns with HM, all elite missions at least once, at least with one character) and all aspects of PvP (all arenas and CM's, HA and GvG). Only in this way you could be considered one who played all aspects of this game and, theoretically, deserve to achieve the highest HoM reward.

The problem, then, is all on the PvP side. Since it has never been done anything to bridge the gap between PvE and PvP, and to make PvP an enjoyable experience also for people not wanting to develop some serious skill (low-level TA, HA and GvG tournaments and ladders for example), now we have come with a PvP environment where it's really difficult to enter, not saying to master, unless one decides to be really serious about it, so it's almost impossible for not PvP-serious ones to master all aspects of the game, and for this reason ANet decided not to put a PvP requirement in HoM (again, you can achieve those 3 points without ever stepping foot in PvP).

Now, someone could say that if one isn't serious about PvP, he doesn't deserve to master it. While this is true, imho, for high-end PvP, don't forget that you don't need to develop serious skills to master all the PvE content, so i don't see why you should do it to master the PvP one (master != being one of the best players of all, it means being able to complete the game's challenges). The only thing you are required to do to complete elite missions and HM is to spend a little time, being a little dedicated. Sadly, however, it doesn't exist any PvP environment where one can get a glance of what is TA, HA and GvG, playing with other like-minded and like-skilled opponents, not needing to be more dedicated than what you need to be in PvE. The only way of playing PvP is facing high-end, skilled players. I think that this being only a game, everyone willing to put only a little (like PvE one) effort should be allowed to see what TA, HA and GvG look like, and enjoy it. Then also serious one have the right, imho, of playing seriously with like-minded people, but the problem is that now both kinds of players are forced to play together, and not in separated environment. This is, in my opinion, the ultimate problem with PvP, and with HoM requiring PvP titles or not.

dwchang · Oct 15, 2010, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Swahnee

Now, someone could say that if one isn't serious about PvP, he doesn't deserve to master it. While this is true, imho, for high-end PvP, don't forget that you don't need to develop serious skills to master all the PvE content, so i don't see why you should do it to master the PvP one

Honestly this is the main reason I don't think one should be able to achieve "Champion of the Gods" without having at least tried ALL aspects of the game (Note that I didn't say master). The title is supposed to be respected and *should have been* more difficult to earn, but that's not the case.

Now if you don't like PvP that's fine, no one is going to force you to play. However, you'll have to deal without having a vanity title which is something many players can't do without so they'll hopefully PvP and make the arenas a bit more lively. If anything, perhaps that might have made for a huge upswing in PvP activity like the materials/economy rush that occurred last weekend.

I'm sure there will be many replies about how they don't like PvP and shouldn't have to play it, but guess what? You don't have to. It's just a title. You don't see PvP players yelling about how they're FORCED to PvE for their 50/50. If they want it, they'll put the PvE-related work in to achieve it and I think it should go both ways. It's all a matter of what's important. If you hate PvP that much and don't care for titles, avoid PvP. If a vanity title means that much to you, do the work.

dts720666 · Oct 16, 2010, 01:32 AM // 01:32

/notsigned

Unless they make the Kurz/Luxon titles PvP. I did a lot of PvP to get my Kurz title.

Spookii · Oct 18, 2010, 12:51 AM // 00:51

/notsigned I'm not a big PvP fan at all outside of JQ and FA, mostly because I just don't like the atmosphere. But I do agree that PvP is a large part of the game and it should be recognized. 3 points really isn't a lot in the big picture. Honestly, I probably won't get the 50/50 just because I hate PvP as much as I do (unless they make Lux/Kurzick titles a PvP title). But I'm okay with that.

But, I agree that the Kurzick/Luxon titles should be PvP. ;C I don't know anyone who gets max Kurz/Lux without doing PvP. <.< I would sort of like to be rewarded for doing the little bit of PvP that I do, even if it's just JQ and FA. :/

Elnino · Oct 18, 2010, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by Spookii

I don't know anyone who gets max Kurz/Lux without doing PvP.

I'm sure you know who PvE'ers are. Most of them have not and will not step into anywhere PvP related, unless its for their cartography title.

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Originally Posted by dwchang

I'm sure there will be many replies about how they don't like PvP and shouldn't have to play it, but guess what? You don't have to. It's just a title. You don't see PvP players yelling about how they're FORCED to PvE for their 50/50. If they want it, they'll put the PvE-related work in to achieve it and I think it should go both ways. It's all a matter of what's important. If you hate PvP that much and don't care for titles, avoid PvP. If a vanity title means that much to you, do the work.

qft

Lhim · Oct 18, 2010, 10:15 AM // 10:15

And Legend of the Mists sounds better than Champion of the Gods. Aren't the gods a bunch of quivering little pansies and sissies in GW2?

Spookii · Oct 18, 2010, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by Elnino

I'm sure you know who PvE'ers are. Most of them have not and will not step into anywhere PvP related, unless its for their cartography title.

I'm saying that I don't know anyone with the max Kurz/Lux title who hasn't done PvP to get to max title and that's the truth. I'm sure there are people out there who do get it without doing PvP even in it's simplest form, but I have not personally met one.

I'm in a hardcore PvE guild and because I'm a PvE'er myself, my friends are pretty PvE centered as well. Even we grind out JQ and FA just to get the title.

Lanier · Oct 18, 2010, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Elnino

I'm sure you know who PvE'ers are. Most of them have not and will not step into anywhere PvP related, unless its for their cartography title.

Most PvEers have spent some time in the past or from time to time in RA, FA, JQ, or AB.

Pritst Of Death · Oct 18, 2010, 04:59 PM // 16:59

ya but some time isn't enough to get a pvp title and i wouldn't say all the pvpers are bitching just becasue that pve'ers don't have 2 pvp but it's kinda underhanding all there hard work and time they put into those titles for some people who had high champ, hero, or glad titles and now all of a sudden having r9 glad or r9 champ is the same as somone spending 150e and if they didn't do pve they can't just go out and buy all the other things they need for that price. while i understand GW is doing this to try 2 keep pve'ers into GW2 without making them really step into it i do think zashian shouldn't count and make pve'ers go ra or somthing getting r3 glad isn't that hard but it would actually make them put some time into it

Spookii · Oct 18, 2010, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Pritst Of Death

ya but some time isn't enough to get a pvp title

Well no, "some time" isn't. But those of us who do get to max Kurz/Lux through FA/JQ didn't just spend a couple of hours doing it. :/ Like I said before, I've met tons and tons of PvE'ers throughout my years playing GuildWars and any one of them that has a max Kurzick/Luxon title got it by doing FA/JQ (Which is PvP) and a lot of it. I've yet to met anyone who has VQ'ed or quested their way to max (aside from the old HFF/FFF, which has been gone for years now).

This, along with Zaishen being a PvP title, shows how awkward their title categorization is. I figure it'd be harder to buy your way to Kurz/Lux Max than it would be to buy your way to Zaishen max. At least with Kurz/Lux you'd have to actually spend time doing something that cost you time, whereas theoretically you could just buy enough ZKeys from one person and then spend a couple of hours opening the chest.

Pritst Of Death · Oct 18, 2010, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Spookii

Well no, "some time" isn't. through FA/JQ didn't just spend a couple of hours doing it. FA/JQ (Which is PvP). I've yet to met anyone who has VQ'ed or quested their way to max

but with that being said jq and fa are CM's if u check there a diffrent branch of pvp and i maxed my kruz title by vanquishing it completly through the current point farms that have been around for a while now with mqsc and mtsc/dtsc

Spookii · Oct 18, 2010, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Pritst Of Death

but with that being said jq and fa are CM's if u check there a diffrent branch of pvp and i maxed my kruz title by vanquishing it completly through the current point farms that have been around for a while now with mqsc and mtsc/dtsc

Different branch of pvp still = pvp.

Del · Oct 18, 2010, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Well I guess us QQers arnt as leet as you are at this game.

I don't understand why some people assume its easy to get these titles.

Because they are easy. Even when I was unranked, all it took was a little initiative to get into groups in HA, and a little effort to get glad points. I don't know why some people complain about it and say it's hard, just because they expect everything in pvp to be handed to them, just like in pve.

RedStar · Oct 18, 2010, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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I've yet to met anyone who has VQ'ed or quested their way to max (aside from the old HFF/FFF, which has been gone for years now).

How about DTSC and MQSC ? I got more than half of my kurz and lux titles by JQ/FA/AB, but I got 4 millions by DTSC in less than a month and did a few week-ends events. So some people actually got their title without setting a foot in a pvp area (and no winning not even 100k in JQ/FA/AB doesn't count).
I guess that is why those titles are counted as PvE even though a lot of people got them by playing PvP.

Getting Champion or Gladiator r3 takes far more time than to get 150e (unless you are really lucky and get the perfect team and the "perfect" opponents and you are really unlucky and can't get an ecto after clearing UW for 10 times).

I couldn't care less if you hate every aspect of PvP (or PvE) you shouldn't expect to get the equivalent of "Congratulations, you did pretty much all there was to do in that game" if you can't put your feelings aside.
And if you really can't get those 30/50 without a PvP title...you aren't even trying...

Davros Uitar · Oct 18, 2010, 09:44 PM // 21:44

/not signed - if anything I believe there should have been more PvP requirements for 50/50 because at the moment it is way over balanced to PVE.

PS - no - I am not a PVPer, never having set foot in RA, HA, TA or the codex thingy. I do enjoy playing JQ. Had the requirement been 3 PVP titles then I would probably have jumped in at teh shallow end and started giving it a go.

Sinborn · Oct 18, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Hey guys, money buys happiness in Guild Wars. Didn't you know?

/wisdom

I Jonas I · Oct 19, 2010, 12:53 AM // 00:53

lol @ a thread that doesn't complain about dedicating minipets, heroes, and pets and trivial shit but complains about things that actually involve playing the game