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MisterB · Oct 15, 2010, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Xunlai Tournament House and/or red/roll resign do not qualify as PvP, and neither does "WTB ZKeys." This is not a PvP title as currently implemented. They could have made it one, but that dead horse has been beaten into the ground. Remove it from PvP reward in HoM as OP suggests.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to add the statue for a PvP reward that I got in XTH by clicking a website for 5 minutes every month without once setting foot in a PvP arena in Guild Wars.

Shayne Hawke · Oct 15, 2010, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Grav

Strictly speaking, only the 2nd point is always true. In the case of the other two, the exact opposite argument could also be made on Kurzick/Luxon titles, for example:

If you can earn the title through PvP play, it is a PvP title.
If you have the option of earning a title through either PvE or PvP means, it can be earned without playing PvE, and is therefore a PvP title.

See what I mean?

I can refine the logic of my first two points to

If there is no method of earning a title in PvE, it must be a PvP title.
If there is no method of earning a title in PvP, it must be a PvE title.

I have given an argument countless times to support my third point that refutes your first. On both points, you're just wrong. A title that can be achieved through PvP doesn't automatically make it a PvP title, because it could potentially be earned without PvP. The availability of earning a title through both methods always voids it of being known as a PvP title for this same reason.

chris12xu · Oct 16, 2010, 02:29 AM // 02:29

saying someone is wrong when your dealing with a matter of opinions is rather pointless since an opinion such as this cant be wrong since its an opinion....saying someone else is wrong is just showing how little your understanding of an opinion is but thats not the point of the topic.

what makes pvp and pve so different? why should a title that can be obtained in both pve and pvp only be considered a pvp title? if there was a requirement for a pve title then people would probably be moaning about how sweet tooth and party animal counts for pvp people. Its really just a game why work so hard to make people upset I think your missing the point of a game, the point is to have fun not grind out titles. people pay for the ztitle you can pay for vanqs zkeys can only be obtained in pvp so you need to interact with a pvp person to get them, and vanqs can only be gained in pve so you need to interact with a pve people to get them. Also standing in a pvp arena leeching a run or buying your way into teams is hardly a "better" way to get a pvp title and dont say that it wont happen on a large scale becuase we all know it will. Honestly I think if a title can be gained in PvP in anyway shape or form it should count as a pvp title and that includes gamer lux and kurz also.

*lemming* · Oct 16, 2010, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by chris12xu

what makes pvp and pve so different? why should a title that can be obtained in both pve and pvp only be considered a pvp title?

Because it being infinitely easier in PvE trivializes it in PvP.

chris12xu · Oct 16, 2010, 04:57 AM // 04:57

not for the people who obtained it by doing pvp and its not by any means easy to get it by doing pve for a casual player getting the money to get r3 zaishan is very difficult.

Del · Oct 16, 2010, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by chris12xu

not for the people who obtained it by doing pvp and its not by any means easy to get it by doing pve for a casual player getting the money to get r3 zaishan is very difficult.

Then again, do casuals even care about getting 50/50? No, because they're casual, not serious players. The only people who care whether or not zaishen counts as a pvp title or not are pvers who are too terrible to just play some pve, and hide behind excuses of rank discrimination and other bullshit like that.

Kook~NBK~ · Oct 16, 2010, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

I have given an argument countless times to support my third point that refutes your first. On both points, you're just wrong. A title that can be achieved through PvP doesn't automatically make it a PvP title, because it could potentially be earned without PvP. The availability of earning a title through both methods always voids it of being known as a PvP title for this same reason.

The bolded part is a matter of opinion. The same logic you're using in your argument can be applied this way:

A title that can be achieved through PvE doesn't automatically make it a PvE title, because it could potentially be earned without PvE. The availability of earning a title through both methods always voids it of being known as a PvE title for this same reason.

*lemming* · Oct 16, 2010, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

The bolded part is a matter of opinion. The same logic you're using in your argument can be applied this way:

A title that can be achieved through PvE doesn't automatically make it a PvE title, because it could potentially be earned without PvE. The availability of earning a title through both methods always voids it of being known as a PvE title for this same reason.

Whichever option is easier is what it should be classified under.

Essence Snow · Oct 16, 2010, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by Del

Then again, do casuals even care about getting 50/50? No, because they're casual, not serious players. The only people who care whether or not zaishen counts as a pvp title or not are pvers who are too terrible to just play some pve, and hide behind excuses of rank discrimination and other bullshit like that.

Some of us just don't like it. I've played HA won halls (vent 3.2.1....spikes will win it occasionally) I've played RA (run monk) Never done GvG..but seems like it might be somewhat like HA. CA...well....no one does CA. Used to HB some....that wasn't hard. It's not that I found it that hard...I simply don't like it very much. The only time I play it is when I'm very bored, or someone asks me to join them. I don't uderstand why some ppl can't understand that GW pvp is not all that fun for everyone. Sad to say but I enjoy buying and selling in kamadan more than I enjoy pvp. Thats just me...not everyone.

Elnino · Oct 16, 2010, 06:24 AM // 06:24

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

The bolded part is a matter of opinion. The same logic you're using in your argument can be applied this way:

A title that can be achieved through PvE doesn't automatically make it a PvE title, because it could potentially be earned without PvE. The availability of earning a title through both methods always voids it of being known as a PvE title for this same reason.

All the other titles that can be earned through both methods are not considered pvp or pve titles. They are just: titles.
Find me a link that calls the party animal title a pve title.
The zaishen title on the other hand, is different which is the problem.

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Never done GvG..but seems like it might be somewhat like HA

wow

Del · Oct 16, 2010, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Some of us just don't like it. I've played HA won halls (vent 3.2.1....spikes will win it occasionally) I've played RA (run monk) Never done GvG..but seems like it might be somewhat like HA. CA...well....no one does CA. Used to HB some....that wasn't hard. It's not that I found it that hard...I simply don't like it very much. The only time I play it is when I'm very bored, or someone asks me to join them. I don't uderstand why some ppl can't understand that GW pvp is not all that fun for everyone. Sad to say but I enjoy buying and selling in kamadan more than I enjoy pvp. Thats just me...not everyone.

Don't really give a rat's ass why some people don't like pvp, they just better not expect to have pvp rewards when they don't want to pvp. It's just as pants on head retarded as trying to collect VA benefits when you've never served in the military.

lutz · Oct 16, 2010, 09:38 AM // 09:38

/signed
This makes sense. Zaishen Keys are very commonly sold and a common item amongst PvPers and PvE-ers. It doesn't make any sense to have a PvP title achievable through PvE.

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Originally Posted by Dre

as if you can't buy a GvG title >.>

1. join highrank gvg guild
2. let them take you along during gvg in exchange for $$
3. ??????
4. same RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing effect as Z-Keys!!!!!!! (i.e buying the title)

This is also known as a bannable/illegal offense.

*lemming* · Oct 16, 2010, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by lutz

This is also known as a bannable/illegal offense.

Technically, I've never heard of anyone being banned for paying to get into groups.

Then again, I've also never heard of any serious guild letting it happen, because dead weight is a lot harder to hide in GvG.

Smarty · Oct 16, 2010, 11:20 AM // 11:20

AB/JQ/FA are PvP formats. There is no HoM-recognised PvP title for those formats. Zaishen is the only PvP title you can get if that's the way you PvP. Until there's another title which counts for the low-end PvP places, the Zaishen title should continue to count towards PvP, no matter how retarded it is.

newbie_of_doom · Oct 16, 2010, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by Smarty

AB/JQ/FA are PvP formats. There is no HoM-recognised PvP title for those formats. Zaishen is the only PvP title you can get if that's the way you PvP. Until there's another title which counts for the low-end PvP places, the Zaishen title should continue to count towards PvP, no matter how retarded it is.

O really, what about luxon/kurzick then?

Also, the Zaishen Supporter title is still not a PvP title. It can still be bought even if you NEVER play JQ/AB/FA/RA/HA/GvG or whatever.
It shouldn't be a PvP title in fairness, but honestly I don't really care. I care more about selling zkeys anyway.

BlackSephir · Oct 16, 2010, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

I don't uderstand why some ppl can't understand that GW pvp is not all that fun for everyone.

I don't uderstand why some ppl can't understand that if they don't want to pvp, they don't deserve any pvp rewards, including the statue in HoM.

Now I want to see a thread about how pve titles should be obtainable by playing GvG.

Gill Halendt · Oct 16, 2010, 01:08 PM // 13:08

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Originally Posted by Del

Don't really give a rat's ass why some people don't like pvp, they just better not expect to have pvp rewards when they don't want to pvp.

Absolutely.

Then, dare I ask, why is even there a 3 points bonus for a PvP title, when the rewards are PvE thingies?

Actually, I'm more surprised by a PvP title giving 3 points for nothing special, then the Zaishen title being considered as such.

RedDog91 · Oct 16, 2010, 01:09 PM // 13:09

I think everyone is forgetting that at some point in time the keys have to be obtained. And the only way to obtain them is through PvP.
So even if you paid for your keys, they were still originated from PvP, making it a PvP title.

Gill Halendt · Oct 16, 2010, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by RedDog91

I think everyone is forgetting that at some point in time the keys have to be obtained. And the only way to obtain them is through PvP.

Not really. Zaishen Keys are also available in exchange of 1 Zaishen Gold Coin and 100g.

Notorious Bob · Oct 16, 2010, 02:27 PM // 14:27

/notsigned

Simply harps back to the "PvP is better than PvE" argument.

Anet might have been better having separate reward/title streams for those who PvE exclusively, PvP exclusively and the small number who do both.

As it, giving exclusive PvE'ers a way to reach 50/50 is perfectly fine by me.