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Will Mason · Nov 05, 2010, 06:24 PM // 18:24

50 Minis for the max number of points required for HoM is a bit too much, especially when you consider the actual amount of minis available on the market. Personally, I could afford the rest of mine just fine, but there's a problem I think we should consider.

I was thinking about this today and how I was going to wait a bit for the price of Minis to go down before purchasing the last 10 I need for the last point in that category. Then I realized that it was highly unlikely for this to happen because of the average amount of minis entering the market at any time.

Let's say there's the optimum scenario where everyone has 8 characters who are all 5 years old. That's only 40 minipets generated over 5 years from that account. Then, if you really wanted to, you could do the mini moa quest on all 8 characters to receive 48 minis entering the market over 5 years from the optimum situation. True, there's other minis generated from the collector's edition, in-game drops, etc. but these amounts are negligible when looking at the ability of everyone in the population to get them (compare prices of the yearly ones to the ones that drop, supply is much higher from the yearly). That being said, it's basically impossible for everyone to acquire the necessary miniatures, especially for those entering the game with game time of less than 5 years and characters less than 8.

tl;dr = There's just not enough minipets coming into the market to warrant a 50 minipet requirement for everyone. Request: Either reduce the requirement or introduce more miniatures into the game.

Edit: I've purchased and dedicated all 50 of my Minipets now so people in this thread can stop accusing me of complaining. If you don't believe me, go ahead and look up my name. This has never been about me. This discussion is specifically about people who started playing now or in the past year who want to obtain 50/50 so please stay on topic.

helloeveryone · Nov 05, 2010, 06:48 PM // 18:48

that is why you don't need 50 mini pet to get 30/50
but its a good idea to lower requirement as it helps a bit

while at it, how about lowering the req for obsidian armour and pvp title to R2 as well

Shayne Hawke · Nov 05, 2010, 06:54 PM // 18:54

It does not have to be the case that everyone can easily complete every achievement, or even that absolutely everyone can have the chance to complete every achievement. Not everyone is making that their goal, nor is it true that everyone plays in such a way that that will eventually happen. The way it works now is just fine, and even if it weren't, it wouldn't the biggest issue with the HoM.

Horus Moonlight · Nov 05, 2010, 07:08 PM // 19:08

It's absolutely silly to add an achievement that by design, prevents everyone from being able to complete it. Don't reduce the minipets required for the monument since that would be unfair to those who bothered to get 50 minis. Just add content (difficulty is open to discussion) that would give white minis as a reward.

ajc2123 · Nov 05, 2010, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Horus Moonlight

It's absolutely silly to add an achievement that by design, prevents everyone from being able to complete it. Don't reduce the minipets required for the monument since that would be unfair to those who bothered to get 50 minis. Just add content (difficulty is open to discussion) that would give white minis as a reward.

Yes!

Can I have a miniature sylvari please?

neighto · Nov 05, 2010, 07:21 PM // 19:21

had 50/50 minis in there before the HoM calculator was announced.. so no skin off my back.

Rumi The Poet · Nov 05, 2010, 07:23 PM // 19:23

i think rewards are meant to be earned and the 50/50 is no different.

if u make things too easy then theres really nothing special about reaching the

top. imo its more than easy enough and id like to see them make it more

difficult or raise the 50 to something like 70 or give rewards for different

characters maxed titles. as is i think its pretty generous. id be pretty

disappointed if i logged in my 1st day of gw2 and everyone had the

champion of the gods title. once you reach that pinnacle i should hope you would agree with me. nonetheless i wish you luck on reaching your goal.

Gennadios · Nov 05, 2010, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Horus Moonlight

It's absolutely silly to add an achievement that by design, prevents everyone from being able to complete it. Don't reduce the minipets required for the monument since that would be unfair to those who bothered to get 50 minis. Just add content (difficulty is open to discussion) that would give white minis as a reward.

Simply opening an acct and creating a single character will make that portion of the HoM fillabe in about 50 years.

Also, there are currently 14 miniatures that drop from various high end chests or collectible items that do not depend on time and the amount of characters in existance to generate + 1 canthan new year mini each year. At least those should stay stable price wise as their availability will only increase.

ATM I need 17 minis for 50/50, and while I admit the task is daunting, I won't really complain since even if I stop playing tomorrow all I have to do is log on once a year for two years and the title's complete.

trickfred · Nov 05, 2010, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Will Mason

50 Minis for the max number of points required for HoM is a bit too much

I've been playing since July 2005, and I had 70 minis in my HoM before the calculator was released. The HoM rewards are for veterans. The longer you've been a veteran, the easier it will be to fill your HoM. I see absolutely no problem with this.

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Originally Posted by Will Mason

it's basically impossible for everyone to acquire the necessary miniatures, especially for those entering the game with game time of less than 5 years and characters less than 8.

You're under the impression that 'everyone' is entitled to fill their hall.

ajc2123 · Nov 05, 2010, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

Simply opening an acct and creating a single character will make that portion of the HoM fillabe in about 50 years.

Also, there are currently 14 miniatures that drop from various high end chests or collectible items that do not depend on time and the amount of characters in existance to generate + 1 canthan new year mini each year. At least those should stay stable price wise as their availability will only increase.

ATM I need 17 minis for 50/50, and while I admit the task is daunting, I won't really complain since even if I stop playing tomorrow all I have to do is log on once a year for two years and the title's complete.

Unless you get 50 jade armors like most people. Its a random gift so that doesn't help.

fowlero · Nov 05, 2010, 07:52 PM // 19:52

This was meant to give people something to aim for in the space before GW2.

You don't get it instantly because you're not supposed to.

I had no problem getting mine so i have no idea where this idea of there not being enough in the market is from.

eekzor · Nov 05, 2010, 07:53 PM // 19:53

I found it very easy to get 50 of them.

White pets for every year are quit commonly being sold.
That can bring you up to 32-40 easily.
1/2/3 year purples are easy to get. 41-49
Miniature Moa + Pig are both real easy to get. 42-50
Celestial tiger/ox/rat are easy to get 45-53.
And then just get a few couple random ones, if you haven't 50/50'd it already.

Ninja Dude · Nov 05, 2010, 07:54 PM // 19:54

At the rate A-net has been adding mini pets to the game, I don't think it will be a problem. Right now it seems very difficult, but they'll probably release 5 or 6 more through GW:Beyound. They'll probably add more for other things later.

Gennadios · Nov 05, 2010, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

Unless you get 50 jade armors like most people. Its a random gift so that doesn't help.

Last I checked Mini's were tradeable items=p

Seriously, people complain that there's not enough of a social aspect in GW, and here we have a requirement that DEMANDS cooperation, how bad can it be?

Will Mason · Nov 05, 2010, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

It does not have to be the case that everyone can easily complete every achievement, or even that absolutely everyone can have the chance to complete every achievement. Not everyone is making that their goal, nor is it true that everyone plays in such a way that that will eventually happen. The way it works now is just fine, and even if it weren't, it wouldn't the biggest issue with the HoM.

I agree with the pvp title issue, as I have Zaishen, Gladiator, and Hero all in my hall, but there's already a thread for that so...

I'm aware that 50/50 is not everyone's goal, however it's frustrating for some people that the ability of everyone to meet that goal is just not physically available at some point due to the market's very slow progress in replenishing itself.

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Originally Posted by trickfred

I've been playing since July 2005, and I had 70 minis in my HoM before the calculator was released. The HoM rewards are for veterans. The longer you've been a veteran, the easier it will be to fill your HoM. I see absolutely no problem with this.

You're under the impression that 'everyone' is entitled to fill their hall.

Here's where you and I disagree. Yearly minipets are a veteran reward, HoM is not, it's achievement based. There's nothing wrong with yearly minipets. I'm not saying that everyone should be "entitled" to a full hall, just that more should be available along the lines of the Mini Black Moa instead of a random drop.

This is not a complaining thread, I am well within my means to acquire the last 10 I need. I'll admit that extending the amount available in-game through quests is a better option than lowering the requirement though. Lowering the requirement for Obsidian armor and Zaishen Title (Which shouldn't count as PvP in the first place, Skillz is second up for not being allowed) is silly because those are obtainable by everyone with enough time put in. What I'm suggesting here is that the miniatures are not because the supply is running dry very quickly due to the slow replenish rate.

30/50 is easily attainable...A PvP Title and Obby armor are not necessary.

trickfred · Nov 05, 2010, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Um, what? The HoM itself is an achievement trophy case, yes. But I fail to see how that makes my statement wrong. The HoM rewards in GW2 are for veterans of GW1. Fact. Since there's no other way to acquire them, I don't understand how you can disagree.

The point of my post was the next part, "The longer you've been a veteran, the easier it will be to fill your HoM." And that is how it should be.

I'm sure if the sky starts falling and minis really do become scarce, A.net may choose to make them more accessible, but is there any real evidence that this is so? They're plenty accessible as it is, and don't forget, the HoM doesn't get cut off the day GW2 releases.

Tempest. In a teacup.

Will Mason · Nov 05, 2010, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by trickfred

Um, what? The HoM itself is an achievement trophy case, yes. But I fail to see how that makes my statement wrong. The HoM rewards in GW2 are for veterans of GW1. Fact. Since there's no other way to acquire them, I don't understand how you can disagree.

The point of my post was the next part, "The longer you've been a veteran, the easier it will be to fill your HoM." And that is how it should be.

Okay, sorry I misunderstood you then. I interpreted what you said as: Only long-time veterans (5 years) of Guild Wars 1 should be able to fill the HoM all the way to 50/50 and the fact that it becomes relatively impossible for newer players to fill the miniatures section once the supply is gone, is just too bad.

My point is just that now now, but later, there will be a point when the yearly mini supply is going to be too low and it's good to start thinking about adding quest minis to the game during GW:Beyond or however else the Live Team wants to do it.

KZaske · Nov 05, 2010, 10:49 PM // 22:49

I think the mini-pet requirement is just fine the way it is.

Voodoo Rage · Nov 05, 2010, 10:56 PM // 22:56

The fact is, you don't need to come anywhere close to maxing out all the monuments to get the best possible in-game GW2 item. I don't think it's an issue at all that every single player needs to "max out the monument". The fact is, there is a constant influx of mini's from active players as they get their birthday presents not to mention higher end mini's from WiK, Canthan New Year, and Nicholas. We are by no means going to run out of minis.

Aldric · Nov 05, 2010, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Minipet requirement is fine as it is. I was about 25/50 but managed to trade all the duplicate walows and minotaur etc to get to 40 and ill work away on the last 10 over the next few weeks.