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superraptors · Dec 23, 2010, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

So because the community believes that Z-Keys are an "important" currency, Anet should have to accommodate us and give us a vendor for them? Just because the community believes Z-Keys to be currency, doesn't mean we should instantly have a vendor for them.

if that was the case, then we should make a seperate vendor all together where you can exchange your money (platinum and gold) for Ectos, Armbraces, and Z-Keys. Cause that is basically what you are saying. You are saying that cause the community finds them to be an "important" currency, Anet needs to add them to a vendor so we can exchange them......

Z-Keys are a PvP reward. If we make a vendor for them, then what are we going to start giving out for PvP rewards now? People would barely do PvP anymore for them cause they can just buy them from a vendor now. Thus, yet another cripple in the PvP community. PvP is already getting the short end of the stick. This would just add to it even more to make Z-Keys available for anyone to just up and buy.

u shouldnt be talking if u dont know what a pvp reward is or pvp, because zkeys can totally buy pvp skins right?
last time i checked zcoins come from pve also, infact 2/3 zbountys are pve and zcoins can be traded for zkeys, so your point is not valid, infact ur arguement is not valid.

also do you realise zkeys are being taken out of the economy much more then ectos, im pretty sure alot more people use zkeys then buy fow or chaos gloves daily.

zkeys were made because pvpers made pretty much 0 money from pvping

*lemming* · Dec 23, 2010, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

Z-Keys are a PvP reward. If we make a vendor for them, then what are we going to start giving out for PvP rewards now? People would barely do PvP anymore for them cause they can just buy them from a vendor now. Thus, yet another cripple in the PvP community. PvP is already getting the short end of the stick. This would just add to it even more to make Z-Keys available for anyone to just up and buy.

Don't exaggerate. Possessing zkeys has about as much correlation with PvPing as owning lots of ectos has to do with speedclearing UW.

anonymous · Dec 23, 2010, 08:25 AM // 08:25

It is too late to do it now. I don't like game updates that make players rich just because they were lucky enough to be holding onto an item that the developers decided to make more valuable. If someone had 400 zkeys and the vendor made zkeys rise to 10k each, he would make 2000k just because he was lucky and had zkeys when the update was announced. Same thing with the player losing money would be pretty lame too. Developers should stay away from doing updates that drastically alter the prices of items unless there is no other choice. It isn't fun to lose money just because of random chance. Players should be the ones that control the market.

drkn · Dec 23, 2010, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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zkeys were made because pvpers made pretty much 0 money from pvping

I always thought they were introduced as another way to reward PvP gameplay. I always thought that strict PvPers don't really need in-game money.

MithranArkanere · Dec 23, 2010, 10:54 AM // 10:54

I would accept items acquired in the Battle Isles like Zaishen Keys, Balthazar Flames and Sigils having a TRADER, but not selling them directly like lockpicks.
Traders do not create items. Unlike merchants, every single item in a trader was sold to another trader by a player. They are just middlemen so you don't have to wait spamming around to sell something, and waiting is something a PvP player doesn't need, they need to get rid of the stuff they don't need and it's taking space as soon as possible to go on with their PvPing, so a trader would help with that.

They source is supposed to be doing stuff in the Battle Isles. And it's only like that. When you buy them from someone else, those keys were originally obtained in the Battle Isles too.

So if it's a trader, as long as Zaishen Keys can be traded it's not really that bad.

People against this should consider asking for ZKeys to be made non-tradable like Zaishen coins, since this won't really make the current situation worse.

superraptors · Dec 23, 2010, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by drkn

I always thought they were introduced as another way to reward PvP gameplay. I always thought that strict PvPers don't really need in-game money.

stop attempting to be a smart ass

cause more people would prefer a pvp character over a pve character yeh?

Also thats why MAT's are always loaded and AT's are empty of course pvpers need money.

rewarded for gameplay lol?? last time i heard HB was all about resigning, im sure its gameplay.

if rpgs dont offer incentives then theres no point playing it.
its not the type of fun/reward you get out of fps's or rts's.

newbie_of_doom · Dec 25, 2010, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

So because the community believes that Z-Keys are an "important" currency, Anet should have to accommodate us and give us a vendor for them? Just because the community believes Z-Keys to be currency, doesn't mean we should instantly have a vendor for them.

if that was the case, then we should make a seperate vendor all together where you can exchange your money (platinum and gold) for Ectos, Armbraces, and Z-Keys. Cause that is basically what you are saying. You are saying that cause the community finds them to be an "important" currency, Anet needs to add them to a vendor so we can exchange them......

Z-Keys are a PvP reward. If we make a vendor for them, then what are we going to start giving out for PvP rewards now? People would barely do PvP anymore for them cause they can just buy them from a vendor now. Thus, yet another cripple in the PvP community. PvP is already getting the short end of the stick. This would just add to it even more to make Z-Keys available for anyone to just up and buy.

Celestial sigils are a PvP reward as well. You can buy them at a trader. Your argumentation is extremely flawed. Also, I do not believe anyone in the (high-end) PvP would expierence zaishen key tradabillity as "crippling". In fact, for most of us, it is the only reason we have any money at all.
Not to mention, that zaishen keys are NOT exclusively obtained through PvP.
It wouldn't make more zaishen keys available for "anyone to just up and buy". It is very basic supply & demand. If no one sells zaishen keys to the trader, the keys will be impossibly expensive.

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Originally Posted by superraptors

zkeys were made because pvpers made pretty much 0 money from pvping

Wether or not this is true is pure guesswork. While it probably is, I do not understand why PvPing would have to be profitable.

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Originally Posted by drkn

I always thought they were introduced as another way to reward PvP gameplay. I always thought that strict PvPers don't really need in-game money.

Actually, you do. You need to buy a guild hall, then you need money to invite and guest people. Also, you actually need to go to PvE-land to make a guild. So, if you have a PvP-only account, there is no way that you are going to make your own guild.