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superraptors · Dec 20, 2010, 10:56 PM // 22:56

make vendor that sells zkeys and flames, perhaps combine it with the sigil trader. we can sell sigils so why not. oh and make sigils stackable

the prices will automatically adjust from from people buying excessively or selling them.

its pretty much going to be like ectos.

clear · Dec 20, 2010, 11:07 PM // 23:07

There is a NPC who sells Zkeys and Flames.

Cool Name · Dec 20, 2010, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by clear

There is a NPC who sells Zkeys and Flames.

I'm pretty sure he means an NPC who accepts pure cash (not coins or balth faction).

RedDog91 · Dec 20, 2010, 11:28 PM // 23:28

I can see a z key vendor causing the prices to rise after a few months.
People will get used to it being there and may not go earn as many as they used to. Then, a few people will buy out the stock until the prices raise a good bit and then people will sell it at a slightly lower price than the vendor, but still higher than what it is now.

It's fairly easy to keep prices near the level you want. Ectos for example:
There's plenty of ectos floating around in inventories and storages. The reason why its stays between 6k-9k at the trader is because those people don't sell to the vendor. If 75% of all ectos in the game were sold to the rare mat trader, the price would likely fall to maybe 2k or less.

Pony Slaystation · Dec 21, 2010, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by superraptors

oh and make sigils stackable

Why? You'll never really need more than one sigil at a time...

But yeah.... I vote no for a zkey vendor.... would mess with prices too much, and make the title even easier to get. Players should have to put in at least a little bit of effort.

Rumi The Poet · Dec 21, 2010, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Personally id rather pay XX(Zkey Vendor) than Johnny Inflate ProTrader who buys/sells.

aka someone who buys keys for the purpose of reselling them.

Johny bravo · Dec 21, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

ZKeys are meant to be a PvP reward (although some would argue FA, JQ and AB aren't really PVP). They both allow PvP players access to items from the PvE world through the z-chest. They also are supposed to act as a way to dump Bal-faction. Making a vendor for them is simply not needed. If you want keys play PvP or buy them from PvPers.

RedStar · Dec 21, 2010, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Zaishen being considered a PvP title is already bad enough (but can be a little justified).

If they ever make Z keys buyable, they should change the status of the Zaishen Title.

SpyderArachnid · Dec 21, 2010, 02:44 AM // 02:44

Z-Keys are offered as a reward from PvP.

You can't technically compare them to ecto as ecto is a material used for crafting. They are two completely different things. The reason why ecto is in a vendor and costs real money, is cause you actually need it to craft items. You don't need to buy Z-Keys and don't need them for anything important.

Making a Z-Key vendor would be a horrible idea. Then people could literally buy their PvP title and buy tons of Z-Keys for the chest. I disagree with the Zaishen title being a PvP title, but this would just make it silly easy to get. We don't need more extremely easy ways to get stuff in this game.

So definitely, /notsigned.

superraptors · Dec 21, 2010, 02:57 AM // 02:57

people can already buy there zaishen title from players, if anything this trader will make it harder to get, zkeys arent important? lol are u stupid? they are already used as currency, i can argue the same for ectos, chaos gloves and fissure only? im pretty sure both are important and zkeys deserves a vendor. you dont need to state the obvious mr pver, nah i want a vendor so i can get some plat from the merchant when ever i want.
pretty muche everyone think it is easier to get, you do realise the prices will get as high as 7-8k making it harder to get.
as i said i can buy zkeys from players already but i cant sell them to players whenever i want.

you scrubs are pretty thick tbh

SpyderArachnid · Dec 21, 2010, 03:10 AM // 03:10

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Originally Posted by superraptors

people can already buy there zaishen title from players, if anything this trader will make it harder to get, zkeys arent important? lol are u stupid? they are already used as currency, i can argue the same for ectos, chaos gloves and fissure only? im pretty sure both are important and zkeys deserves a vendor. you dont need to state the obvious mr pver, nah i want a vendor so i can get some plat from the merchant when ever i want.
pretty muche everyone think it is easier to get, you do realise the prices will get as high as 7-8k making it harder to get.
as i said i can buy zkeys from players already but i cant sell them to players whenever i want.

you pve scrubs are pretty thick tbh

Insulting others just make you the immature one. It is sad and pathetic when someone has to resort to name calling just to get their point across. How about sticking to the topic and leaving name calling and insults out of this? Think you are capable of that? Thank you.

As far as game standards, Z-Keys are not as important as Ecto. Community wise, yes Z-Keys are considered a form of currency. But game wise, there is no need for a vendor that sells Z-Keys for cash.

Z-Keys are a PvP reward for doing PvP. The only use they have is opening a chest that has a low chance of giving you something good. Otherwise, the community makes them worth something different. Ecto on the other hand, is used in crafting armor and gloves. Game wise, Ecto is more useful than Z-Keys. Community wise, they are about equal.

So no, we don't need a vendor to sell us Z-Keys. You can already buy them for 100g and a Gold Z-Coin. And players sell them plenty. If you want more than that and feel it is necessary for a vendor, then go do PvP and earn your own. Z-Keys do not deserve their own vendor.

Cool Name · Dec 21, 2010, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Lol troll.

But selling keys is easy, it is NEVER difficult to sell in GToB.

Caw521 · Dec 21, 2010, 03:46 AM // 03:46

I'm confused. Why would you want to make zkeys more expensive? o.O

Zkeys were originally made as rewards for doing stuff, not as currency. Just leave it player-tradable only (besides tolkano/zrewards). It sorta sounds like you're being a bit lazy (no offence, may have interpreted it wrongly) and going, "omg I could have saved myself 1 minute of my time for an extra 2k per key"

Oh, and don't quote me on this, but I believe zkey prices were player-decided originally. So why would you want the prices to fluctuate like ectos or whatnot?

Pony Slaystation · Dec 21, 2010, 04:32 AM // 04:32

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Originally Posted by RedStar

Zaishen being considered a PvP title is already bad enough (but can be a little justified).

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Originally Posted by Rumi The Poet

Personally id rather pay XX(Zkey Vendor) than Johnny Inflate ProTrader who buys/sells.

aka someone who buys keys for the purpose of reselling them.

Some would consider talking/trading/communicating with other players the highest form of PvP.

Missmelady · Dec 21, 2010, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by Pony Slaystation

Why? You'll never really need more than one sigil at a time...

But yeah.... I vote no for a zkey vendor.... would mess with prices too much, and make the title even easier to get. Players should have to put in at least a little bit of effort.

Sigh making sigils stack is far better because I do not know about you but winning halls 14-15 in a row and getting a sigil every time sure fills up that inventory spots, when you already have weapon swaps shield set swaps. Even with the Extra storage with the bags and packs getting sigils repeatably while holding halls fills up the inventory and would just b a better way to hold onto them.

drkn · Dec 21, 2010, 06:26 AM // 06:26

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nah i want a vendor so i can get some plat from the merchant when ever i want.
pretty muche everyone think it is easier to get, you do realise the prices will get as high as 7-8k making it harder to get.

So you want to introduce the vendor in order to rise zkeys' price, so that you can get more money from selling keys, moreso, without the need to shout in GtoB for three minutes?

Coast · Dec 21, 2010, 10:22 AM // 10:22

I like the idea of stackable sigils.
I'll stay neutral of the vendor idea.

NerfHerder · Dec 21, 2010, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by RedStar

Zaishen being considered a PvP title is already bad enough (but can be a little justified).

If they ever make Z keys buyable, they should change the status of the Zaishen Title.

Thats the only way I see it happening.

As much as I would like Zkeys to be buyable, it may cause more trouble than its worth. Without further thought, /notsigned.

newbie_of_doom · Dec 22, 2010, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by RedDog91

I can see a z key vendor causing the prices to rise after a few months.
People will get used to it being there and may not go earn as many as they used to. Then, a few people will buy out the stock until the prices raise a good bit and then people will sell it at a slightly lower price than the vendor, but still higher than what it is now.

It's fairly easy to keep prices near the level you want. Ectos for example:
There's plenty of ectos floating around in inventories and storages. The reason why its stays between 6k-9k at the trader is because those people don't sell to the vendor. If 75% of all ectos in the game were sold to the rare mat trader, the price would likely fall to maybe 2k or less.

I suppose you mean if 75% of the ectos were sold and not ever bought back? What did you base this on anyway? If an equal amount of ectos were trader, but not through a trader, the price would be lower, is absolute nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Pony Slaystation

Why? You'll never really need more than one sigil at a time...

But yeah.... I vote no for a zkey vendor.... would mess with prices too much, and make the title even easier to get. Players should have to put in at least a little bit of effort.

I suppose so you could save them. Though, I had rather see people sell them right away because they need inventory space.

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

Making a Z-Key vendor would be a horrible idea. Then people could literally buy their PvP title and buy tons of Z-Keys for the chest. I disagree with the Zaishen title being a PvP title, but this would just make it silly easy to get. We don't need more extremely easy ways to get stuff in this game.

So definitely, /notsigned.

Yes, you cannot do that now! Owait, you can...

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Originally Posted by Rumi The Poet

Personally id rather pay XX(Zkey Vendor) than Johnny Inflate ProTrader who buys/sells.

aka someone who buys keys for the purpose of reselling them.

I agree. Also, a trader will cause deflation, which is good.

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

As far as game standards, Z-Keys are not as important as Ecto. Community wise, yes Z-Keys are considered a form of currency. But game wise, there is no need for a vendor that sells Z-Keys for cash.

Z-Keys are a PvP reward for doing PvP. The only use they have is opening a chest that has a low chance of giving you something good. Otherwise, the community makes them worth something different. Ecto on the other hand, is used in crafting armor and gloves. Game wise, Ecto is more useful than Z-Keys. Community wise, they are about equal.

So no, we don't need a vendor to sell us Z-Keys. You can already buy them for 100g and a Gold Z-Coin. And players sell them plenty. If you want more than that and feel it is necessary for a vendor, then go do PvP and earn your own. Z-Keys do not deserve their own vendor.

I do not understand why Z-keys and ectos would not be comparable. Is it so that only crafting materials are relevant to this game then?
As for your arguement that players sell plenty of them, I do not see how this makes a trader unnecessary. In fact, I would see it as a reason to add a trader.

Don't get me wrong. I think zaishen keys shouldn't have been tradable to begin with. They are though. They are now an important currency. Adding a zaishen key vendor is, therefore, a suggestion I support.
/signed

SpyderArachnid · Dec 22, 2010, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by newbie_of_doom

Don't get me wrong. I think zaishen keys shouldn't have been tradable to begin with. They are though. They are now an important currency. Adding a zaishen key vendor is, therefore, a suggestion I support.

So because the community believes that Z-Keys are an "important" currency, Anet should have to accommodate us and give us a vendor for them? Just because the community believes Z-Keys to be currency, doesn't mean we should instantly have a vendor for them.

if that was the case, then we should make a seperate vendor all together where you can exchange your money (platinum and gold) for Ectos, Armbraces, and Z-Keys. Cause that is basically what you are saying. You are saying that cause the community finds them to be an "important" currency, Anet needs to add them to a vendor so we can exchange them......

Z-Keys are a PvP reward. If we make a vendor for them, then what are we going to start giving out for PvP rewards now? People would barely do PvP anymore for them cause they can just buy them from a vendor now. Thus, yet another cripple in the PvP community. PvP is already getting the short end of the stick. This would just add to it even more to make Z-Keys available for anyone to just up and buy.