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Nov 07, 2007, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Yes we do. As I stated earlier, there is only one need in a game, the need to have fun. Every player that bought guildwars because of the level playing field that existed there has had it ripped out from underneath them.Guild wars is no longer fun with these grindbased game effects in place - this is the simple reason they either need to be reverted or made simple to achieve.

Sorry is that the voice of you or of all GW players?
This thread is full of generalisations that one persons way of playing is how everyone should play

You said yourself in that post "there is only one need in a game, the need to have fun". Some have fun playing with Pve Skills some don't, but i'll bet any area in any campaign can be done without PvE Skills and PvE-Title Effects so really it doesn't alter your enjoyment at all as anything in the game is still doable
Please take into account people can like something different to you, you didn't put those points across as opinion they were your generalised "facts"

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Nov 07, 2007, 09:22 AM // 09:22

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Sorry is that the voice of you or of all GW players?

When making subjective statement, that it is an opinion is self-evident. Like every post I'm stating the opinion of players who think like me, just like freekedout is posting the opinions of players that think like him. We could prefix every statement with "in my opinion" but that would be a sever waste of time and effort.

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This thread is full of generalisations that one persons way of playing is how everyone should play

Not from my side. You play how you want, just don't step on others gameplay while you do

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You said yourself in that post "there is only one need in a game, the need to have fun". Some have fun playing with Pve Skills some don't

Rock on. Play with your pve skills. What people are asking for is reasonable access to them regardless of the number of characters you play.

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but i'll bet any area in any campaign can be done without PvE Skills and PvE-Title Effects so really it doesn't alter your enjoyment at all as anything in the game is still doable

Shouldn't you have prefixed that statement with "in my opinion"

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? Playing the parts of the game where the playing field is level is no longer possible because the current system has removed them from play. Playing on a level playing field is a requirement for fun.

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Please take into account people can like something different to you, you didn't put those points across as opinion they were your generalised "facts"

I am not having fun in gw is a fact, as is the fact that my playtime has gone from 10-15hrs per week to 2-3 hrs per week since the introduction of grindbased skills.

I should also point out that giving reasonable access to skills varies methods of gameplay, whereas keeping the current system restricts it. Perhaps you should be on the other side of the argument?

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Nov 07, 2007, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Not from my side. You play how you want, just don't step on others gameplay while you do

have it cross your mind that wanting grind-base title to be account based might, just might step on others' gameplay?

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Nov 07, 2007, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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have it cross your mind that wanting grind-base title to be account based might, just might step on others' gameplay?

When the ability to grind out the titles on each character is still there, but the in game effects are given accross the account then everyone wins.

This variant of the OP's suggestion was posted a couple of pages back.

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Give the effects of the title, but not the ability to display it.

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Nov 07, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18	#465
Alex Dimitri Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2007 Guild: Passionate Kiss Of Nosferatu [KISS] Profession: N/Mo	/Signed Grind is totaly boring and killing the spirit of this game, and yes GRIND titles are made with purpose to prolong game life! The thing that makes everything funny is that Anet actually sell extra char slot`s and by definition of some titles and requirements they are preventing u from playin` on all chars but the "chosen" one. And i seriously doubt that anyone "normal" would go for Tresure Hunter more than once (same goes for Drunkard, Sweet Tooth & Wisdom).More too this is that titles mentioned above have absolutely no player skill involved in them just absourd amounts of gold which is by the way SHARED between all chars !!! So in my personal opinion inclusion of this titles from the start had a HUGE flaw in implementation, fixin that to a thinkable form can`t actually be bad thing, and for once it wouldn`t be hard to do! As far goes to SS/LB titles makin changes to them would be harder couse the storyline itself would be compromised, and they are easy achievable anyway and can be incorporated in normal gameplay (u don`t need to GRIND for them) !!!

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Nov 07, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Guild wars is no longer fun with these grindbased game effects in place - this is the simple reason they either need to be reverted or made simple to achieve.

If you dont enjoy doing things which involve grind then dont do them. There is alot of stuff ingame to do which isnt grind based, so you cant complain there is nothing else to do.

Whether you "need" these pve only skills maxed to have "fun" is important, but you cant argue they are "needed" to complete the game.

Are you honestly going to argue that GWs is no longer fun to play simply because you have some pve only skills which arent maxed out? Considering the vastness of content in Guild Wars I would find that extremely strange a thing to say.

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Nov 07, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14	#467
Sleeper Service Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: CULT	i did myself the violence of going through this thread again. 66 aye. 26 nay. 12 undecided. some margin for error (2 or 3) due to repeat votes and opinion shifts.

Nov 07, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23	#468
Anon-e-mouse Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: @ Home Guild: League Of Friends [LOF] Profession: R/Mo	I agree these titles should be account based. /Signed

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Nov 08, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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i did myself the violence of going through this thread again.
66 aye.
26 nay.
12 undecided.
some margin for error (2 or 3) due to repeat votes and opinion shifts.

Yet no one uses the Thread rating,

Seriously. Use it, even if you don't post in the thread. It's much better than posting a /sing in it.
The most important point is that grind titles 'punish' those that like to play.
No one wants 'things for free'. Just to make the need of grinding reduced the more characters you own.

For example, they could make it so the more characters in an account max a title, the less points the others need. At least one character would need to max the title. But a 10th would have to grind much less, but not just share the points of the other ones.

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Nov 08, 2007, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Yet no one uses the Thread rating,

Seriously. Use it, even if you don't post in the thread. It's much better than posting a /sing in it.

The star system isnt realistic because it doesnt reflect the not-signed crowd. It doesnt let you give negative star ratings. It will only show those who favour it.

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Nov 08, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33	#471
Sleeper Service Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: CULT	Stars mean nothing Mithran, they do not reflect positive votes either Fish. you could be dead set against the idea and still give it a positive rating based on the merits of the discussion alone.

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Nov 11, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

i did myself the violence of going through this thread again.

66 aye.

26 nay.

12 undecided.

some margin for error (2 or 3) due to repeat votes and opinion shifts.

Most GW players are

a. selfish
b. whiny
c. lazy
d. generally impatient.

So....the poll shouldn't tell you much.

At least 75% of Male gw players use female characters. Neither statistic tells you much other than the numbers.

Again, /notsigned.

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Nov 11, 2007, 09:25 AM // 09:25	#473
Master Sword Keeper Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dead Isle Guild: Farmers Of Woe [FoW] Profession: W/	+5 grind titles completed, makes a new Char ahhh look my new char has KoABD. /notsigned

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Nov 11, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Sleeper Service

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Most GW players are

a. selfish
b. whiny
c. lazy
d. generally impatient.

So....the poll shouldn't tell you much.

At least 75% of Male gw players use female characters. Neither statistic tells you much other than the numbers.

Again, /notsigned.

Nevertheless the recurring argument that it’s a "minority" that wants this is (a lot) less likely that the opposite.

Funny how the people against this will use numbers (which incidentally make NO sense) when it suits them, and totally REJECT any number that puts their shaky reasoning to the test.

You can insult the general playerbase all you want bunny. The FACT remains that on this thread more people are in favour than against. Moreover, what does using a female char have to do with this topic? thats right. nothing.

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Nov 11, 2007, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

+5 grind titles completed, *makes a new Char* ahhh look my new char has KoABD.

/notsigned

...and? What happened? O rite, nothing

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Nov 11, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Sleeper Service

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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

+5 grind titles completed, *makes a new Char* ahhh look my new char has KoABD.

/notsigned

HOW ABOUT YOU READ I DUNNO...THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE ORIGINAL POST BEFORE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS?

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

Personally I divide titles into 3 groups:

- Task based where you have a list of tasks to perform, and you get the title by successfully performing each task once. Titles in this group: Protectors, Guardians, Vanquishers, Cartographer, Skill hunters, Master of the North and KOBD.

(...)

Edit to clarify: I am asking for the following titles to be changed:
- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
If it is not on the above list then I am opposed to it being made account based.

no one has ever suggested that KOABD be account based.

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Nov 11, 2007, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

HOW ABOUT YOU READ I DUNNO...THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE ORIGINAL POST BEFORE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS?

no one has ever suggested that KOABD be account based.

So tell me, what would happen if they made LB, SS, Norn, Asura, Vanguard and Drawf titles account based?

Thats right.. you get 6 instantly maxed titles on all your characters from creation! The minute you create one, they are a KOABD right from the start.

You are inherantly making KOABD account based, but making more and more pve titles account based! A title they dont deserve because that character hasnt even set foot outside of a town or outpost or even killed anything.

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Nov 11, 2007, 12:45 PM // 12:45	#478
Sleeper Service Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: CULT	wait. you refuse to read the post? or refuse to understand the op? it cant be clearer. you want to talk incoherently about something which is not being suggested then fine go ahead. blabber on.

Nov 11, 2007, 12:54 PM // 12:54	#479
Isileth Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: R/W	Why dont they deserve it? Its the same player that has done all the work. It is the player that gets rewarded for completing a title. The char doesnt give a damn! Its not as if having KOABD gives any benefit. It doesnt effect anyone if you have it or not. But if you have gone and done any of the grind based titles (The ones suggested to be changed) its the player who has invested that time. Its the player who should get the recognition not the char.

Nov 11, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11	#480
BlackSephir Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: A/N	Wow, lvl 1 character has KoaBD and... and what? Big, fat nothing. Just shows that some player managed to max soe titles on other characters. "Omg, look mommy, that ele is lvl 1 ad he's already glad 3, do something!" I'm going to ask again so you'll understand it fish- some guy has KoaBD on his lvl 1 char- so what?

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