Curse

ValaOfTheFens · Oct 08, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

/signed for titles with no impact on gameplay excluding Survivor and LDoA but including Wisdom and Treasure Hunter and /notsigned for titles that have an impact on gameplay like SS, LB, and the GWEN allegiance titles.

Sorry but some grind needs to be kept character specific. SS and LB are really pretty easy to max. Between getting points as quest rewards and bounties you should easily be able to meet the titles when they're required. My Tyrian Necro was nearly a Castellan when I got "And A Hero Shall Lead Them" and all my Elonian toons are always Commanders(I think you stop getting bounties after you get Commander, no matter what your level is) before leaving Istan. The GWEN titles are just as easy. I only played the weekend and got at least rank 1 in all the titles except Ebon Vanguard.

Linksys · Oct 08, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

I agree. SS/LB are really freebies with the WURM ss/lb runs. Dwarf title is a freebie with the Treasure quest where you slaughter snowmen. Kurzick and Luxon however are very long to grind but fortunately they are account-wide.

bilateralrope · Oct 08, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by gremlin

no no no all achievements should be by the character that does them

if you want it that easy then have a pack on the online store and just buy it.
Prove you have the title with one character then pay $20 and its account wide.

All characters are different some of us like playing them that way, so I want to run a drunken letcher character and an sober quiet character.
oh wow now they both have a drunkard title.

What it comes down to is I want you to have what you want without it making me have it too.
If its too much time and grind for you to repeat it with all characters then so be it thats life.

You don't have to display your drunkard title on your sober character. So just pretend its not there when you play your sober character.

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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

the problem I see is the new favor system, it's based on maxing out titles, and if they were account based, then once you maxed them out, you would be left with nothing else to do. So making them account based could be bad.

This does seem bad, until you do the numbers.

Each valid title gives 3 minutes towards favor. This comes to only 175'200 titles needed to hold favor for a full 356 day year. Shortly before the GW:EN release ANET announced that they had sold over 4'000'000 copies. If we assume that these were equally spread across the 3 chapters and all merged together we get 1'333'333 accounts.

175'200 / 1'333'333 = 0.1314

So if only 14% of the people who bought accounts are active, we still only need 1 title per person per year for constant favor. And with multiple characters getting the benefit, we are giving players more incentive to finish off titles, meaning the people who currently aren't working towards them are more likely to finish them off.

So favor isn't really an issue. And if it was, we will still have the passage scrolls.

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

How about just having one RP character and use the rest for PVP?

Because playing only one character gets boring.

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Originally Posted by Mohnzh

/NOTSIGNED

Please don't take away other peoples fun just because you think it's too hard or you don't have the time. And just because you could never see how having it as character-based rather than account-based is fun doesn't mean that people don't feel that way. It just means that you don't.

How would this take away your fun ?
If you really enjoy the grinding, this won't stop you.

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Originally Posted by ValaOfTheFens

The GWEN titles are just as easy. I only played the weekend and got at least rank 1 in all the titles except Ebon Vanguard.

Rank 1 is 1'000 points. Rank 8, the highest we can currently obtain, is 80'000 points. So 80 times the work.

ValaOfTheFens · Oct 09, 2007, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

Rank 1 is 1'000 points. Rank 8, the highest we can currently obtain, is 80'000 points. So 80 times the work.

I actually have r3 Norn and r2 Deldrimor. But thats neither here nor there. R8 of the grind titles is still obtainable. I've seen plenty of R8's of the GWEN titles and even more high ranking SS' and LB's. The fact is that KoaBD and its subsequent titles wouldn't be worth anything if all the grind based titles were account based. If they were account based then KoaBD should be removed because it'll be too easy to get alot of maxed titles.

Ugoff The Unholy · Oct 09, 2007, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Forgive me for not reading the whole thread as I'm about to go to bed, but...

The ONLY ONLY ONLY problem I have with this is that you could have a level... 1 for example with a disgustingly strong Whirlwind Attack. They would have to tie that stuff in a different way. Well, actually, I'm tired and don't even know if I'm thinking straight. Feel free to correct my logic. I'm new to NF anyway. :P

But even WITH that problem I "sign" x 1,000,000,000

hopefulliness · Oct 09, 2007, 02:53 AM // 02:53

How bout its when the char gets to a ceratin point in the game, they get the highest title on the whole account. Like after you get to sunspear general and finish the quest, i see no problem in getting legendary spearmashall from you highest char. Or when you kill abadon, you can get your highest lightbringer. Same applies with norn, when you beat thier quest line, you get your highest title, and so on. i think with solution satifies both parties, The people that dont want lvl 1's with koabd and those who dont want to grind

Just my 2 cents

NelZelpheer · Oct 09, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17

/signed

As a PvE Player, I love playing all of my different chars, but I don't have lots of time to grind titles, specially for progressing in the storyline in NF, i've done it once, anything past that is way too much, I think that the insane title grind is getting too close to the pointless grinding of WoW for me.

bilateralrope · Oct 09, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Ugoff The Unholy

Forgive me for not reading the whole thread as I'm about to go to bed, but...

The ONLY ONLY ONLY problem I have with this is that you could have a level... 1 for example with a disgustingly strong Whirlwind Attack. They would have to tie that stuff in a different way. Well, actually, I'm tired and don't even know if I'm thinking straight. Feel free to correct my logic. I'm new to NF anyway. :P

But even WITH that problem I "sign" x 1,000,000,000

The only problem I can see from this is that it would make getting survivor easier. But this can be countered by making the PvE only skills (except cap sig, which shouldn't count as a PvE only) unusable until you either max out your survivor title or die.

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Originally Posted by hopefulliness

How bout its when the char gets to a ceratin point in the game, they get the highest title on the whole account. Like after you get to sunspear general and finish the quest, i see no problem in getting legendary spearmashall from you highest char. Or when you kill abadon, you can get your highest lightbringer. Same applies with norn, when you beat thier quest line, you get your highest title, and so on. i think with solution satifies both parties, The people that dont want lvl 1's with koabd and those who dont want to grind

Just my 2 cents

This would be more complex for ANET to implement, but I would be pleased with it.

bilateralrope · Oct 09, 2007, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by ValaOfTheFens

I actually have r3 Norn and r2 Deldrimor. But thats neither here nor there.

It is when you try to say that because you got rank 1 quickly it means that max rank is quickly obtained.

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R8 of the grind titles is still obtainable. I've seen plenty of R8's of the GWEN titles and even more high ranking SS' and LB's.

Yes, its quickly obtained for one character. But your other characters require you to go grind them again. And I haven't seen any of the grind areas that require much in the way of skill, they just require you to have plenty of time to grind them. In fact, I doubt this change would make obtaining the titles for your first character to obtain them much quicker.

But how many of those players have the titles maxed across all their characters ?

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The fact is that KoaBD and its subsequent titles wouldn't be worth anything if all the grind based titles were account based. If they were account based then KoaBD should be removed because it'll be too easy to get alot of maxed titles.

Lets say that this change somehow makes the effected titles worthless. There are only 10 of these titles, so at worst it would make the first two tiers of KOBD worthless. Tier 3 and up would still be worth something.

thezed · Oct 09, 2007, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by zamial

/not signed

instead lets just get a "/I win" emote installed that will give all max titles and unlock everything on all characters.........../sarcasm off

Ha!

Then all we need is a /sex and /money emote and EVERYTHING will be handed to us. /end sarcasm

Arcane_Penguin · Oct 09, 2007, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by thezed

Ha!

Then all we need is a /sex and /money emote and EVERYTHING will be handed to us. /end sarcasm

Unless /sex includes a /changeappearance (hair, height, color, etc), then thats not all xD

PS: /unsigned, worst, idea, EVER. You want the title, work for it. Not hard.

Shakkara · Oct 09, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

/signed

I have a 'very important' warrior.

But I want to play a paragon so badly...

...but I don't want to do sweet tooth and skillhunter and all that expensive chest stuff again.

So no paragon for me.

thezed · Oct 09, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Shakkara

/signed

I have a 'very important' warrior.

But I want to play a paragon so badly...

...but I don't want to do sweet tooth and skillhunter and all that expensive chest stuff again.

So no paragon for me.

Not sure I get the logic on why not wanting to re-do the sweet tooth or wisdom title would keep you from making a Paragon......

Ferret · Oct 09, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32

A fair thought and to be honest, a good idea. It's not about the difficulty, but the time, especially if you only have a few free hours a day to play.

Much like Luxon and Kurzick, the Sunspear, Lightbringer, Norn, Asura, Dwarf and Vanguard Titles should be account based...there is only SO much grind one person can take.

/signed

Prof Of Black · Oct 09, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

Agreed with EoTN titles,
SS and LB will be too overpowered.

Both /signed

~Prof.

gremlin · Oct 09, 2007, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Ferret

A fair thought and to be honest, a good idea. It's not about the difficulty, but the time, especially if you only have a few free hours a day to play.

Much like Luxon and Kurzick, the Sunspear, Lightbringer, Norn, Asura, Dwarf and Vanguard Titles should be account based...there is only SO much grind one person can take.

/signed

What great logic someone has limited playing time so make the titles account based.
Ok suppose I only have time to play 1 hour a month can we just roll the whole game down to say 6 missions then I can finish everything in 6 months.
Ok that's a mad idea but I am getting mad at a lot of the posts here.

I do not want to do any of the ridiculous "to me" grinding quests" I do not want sweet tooth drunkenness or any of them.
I am not arguing for me I am arguing for a principle.
That to get what you want you are willing to take away from others.

Its a game some people will have more time others more skill or luck or friends etc.
You want to bring the whole game down to make it work for you lets face it you want this so every character you run can max all the titles.

Be honest that is it, you resent those who play all the hours of the day and night and come out in your opinion ahead of you.
So you have to set it up so that you can do the same.
Then someone with even less time will want the rest altering.

be an adult not a kidult play the game fairly and if you dont want to grind then don't.

Snow Bunny · Oct 09, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Uh huh...

No.

Your characters haven't done the work.

Maybe in the case of the EotN faction titles, sure.

But any of the others no.

Why?

BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T ACTUALLY GOTTEN THE TITLE ON THOSE CHARACTERS.

o dam, i'm so leet, i have koabd on 6 chars yo, how 'bout u, noob?

/notsigned.

BlackSephir · Oct 09, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

That's funny, my lvl 5 wammo hasn't done any work either and he's glad, hero and friend of kurzicks and luxons
Seems like your logic is flawed

OH WAIT WUT LOGICZ!

ValaOfTheFens · Oct 09, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

Yes, its quickly obtained for one character. But your other characters require you to go grind them again. And I haven't seen any of the grind areas that require much in the way of skill, they just require you to have plenty of time to grind them. In fact, I doubt this change would make obtaining the titles for your first character to obtain them much quicker.

There is no required grind in GW except the SS title track and in a small way the Kurzick/Luxon track. You don't have to get a really high ranking in any title track to advance the plotlines of any game. I think ANet needs to either increase the faction rewards for the Luxon quests or add a new one so you can get 10k factions w/o ABing, getting a priests blessing, or doing those long, boring repeatable quests.

I think some people are missing the point of titles. Titles are about individual accomplishments. The Kurzick/Luxon titles are account-wide b/c they emcompass more than just the PvE aspect of the game. Should a perma Pre toon be able to display Holy Lightbringer when they've never been to Elona? Should a toon who's died over 1,000 times be able to display Legendary Survivor? Should an Elonian or Canthan toon be able to display Legendary Defender of Ascalon when they arrived years after the Searing? The answer is no.

BlackSephir · Oct 09, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

I think you're missing the point of GW, when it was supposed to be skill over time.
Wanna example? Let's say you want Ebon Vanguard armor. You need 26k. You do all quests, dungeons and you'll be r3, r4 in best case. So what do you do to get to R5? That's right, grind. Now you're probably going to jump out with retarded 'grind is optional'. But guess what? If you don't want to grind, you're missing out the GWEN content. If you want that armor you HAVE to grind.

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Should a perma Pre toon be able to display Holy Lightbringer when they've never been to Elona?

Should lvl 1 warrior in pre be able to display R12 hero when he's never been to HA?
Should some Dervish be able to display Ally of the Luxons when he's never been to Cantha?

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Should a toon who's died over 1,000 times be able to display Legendary Survivor?

Which part of 'grind-based' you don't understand? AFAIK survivor isn't grind-based.