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HawkofStorms · Oct 08, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Guild Wars Forums - GW Guru Statistics
Threads: 396,795, Posts: 3,001,422, Members: 145,115

Keep in mind that guru is still not known/used by many players in GW.

Now, imagine that that members total member numbers (145k, a small percentage of the total GW population) was quadrupled to register the easier access to an official in game system would create.
12 million posts. Most posts are far longer then a single line of text. Your 3.8 becomes a severe underestimation.

Omniop Nop Chominop · Oct 08, 2007, 01:07 AM // 01:07

It could be 100gb, you're still talking about the cost of one paltry hard drive.

Sleeper Service · Oct 08, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Im confused as to how this is not getting through.

Im going to stop speaking for anyone but myself here. I apologize to the OP for hijacking the thread.

When i say "member" i am referring to the whole account. not just a toon.
The Guild Party Board would index messages per ACCOUNT.

1. Posts on the Guild Party Board (G.P.B.) would ONLY be made by members of said Guild and limited to ONE "active" post per member at a time.
I would Expand this concept to include an Alliance Party Board as well but lets Keep It Simple.

2. Posts made on the G.P.B. would only be visible to members of the said Guild.
This would alleviate a great part of the bandwidth required to transmit the G.P.B. I believe.

3. Posts made on the G.P.B. would have a maximum limit of one line of text.
No more, deal with it. it's a note not a forum.

4. Posts on the G.P.B. would have a limited "lifespan" of 48 hours before being deleted.
Resolves some clutter, alleviates bandwidth requirement, alleviates Data storage requirements.

5. to my knowledge a lot less than 12 million accounts have been sold, even IF 12 million copies were sold (which we are far off but: for the sake of discourse) i have yet to see a game in which 12 million people lag in..i mean LOG in and play at the same time. However let imagine that 12 million people DO buy GW and Log in at the same time AND every single person leaves a message on their G.P.B.

3.8Gig * 12 = 45.6 GIG

how much does your average pc have?

*edited miscounted, going offtrack, useless numerics.

Zinger314 · Oct 08, 2007, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniop Nop Chominop

It could be 100gb, you're still talking about the cost of one paltry hard drive.

Because bandwidth grows on trees, right?

Sleeper Service · Oct 08, 2007, 02:22 AM // 02:22

oh for mercys sake Zinger, anything productive or constructive to say at all?
you neither care nor realize the sheer amount of data that is being transmitted by Anet at any given time? Chatting occurs already you know? IE: its HAPPENING ANYWAYS.

gameshoes3003 · Oct 08, 2007, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Been suggested before.
Even I suggested this before.
/signed
But please do use search...

Sleeper Service · Oct 08, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

thank you gameshoes3003. I was unaware this issue had been brought up before, I came across this the very same day me and the other officers in TFC had been discussing our forum.

After following your advice and using the search feature i did come up with quite a few hits.

here are the closest matches for those that are interested.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+ Board
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+ Board
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+B oard
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+Boa rd

ALL were shot down and none were defended by the people who came up with them to any extent (which i can understand given the typical hostile kneejerk reaction of the more loquacious here)

I'm also sad to say only one of the OPs properly developed this message board in any detail. - vinegrowers Guild Hall Messenger
but frankly the idea of having to talk to an NPC char to do something that should be available anytime anywhere makes me cringe.

the other results i got although related were fundamentally different.
If i've missed some that clearly are the same please do tell and LINK.

What this highlights though, is the clear demand and overall usefulness that such (*and im not saying the G.P.B. is the ultimate solution) system would provide. the "just use a Forum" answer does not cut it. sorry.

MithranArkanere · Oct 08, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Anet already saves chat logs, trade logs, battle logs, connection logs, ...

Imagine a pile of stones. A very unstable pile of stones.
This would be like putting one stone more over the pile.

Yeah, it would be cool, it would be nice, but it would consume resources that are not needed to use on this, because peple have already their own forums, and that's the system most people use and like.

I've been in games with own boards, yet people still used external ones.

Why to add something that will consume up so many resources if it would not be widely used?

Deadlyjunk · Oct 08, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

I would like to commend Sleeper Service for the brave effort he is making here. Frankly, I think he's a much better poster than most of us as he actually takes the time to expand on why/why not instead of just posting NO + random insult on every thread - I'm looking at you rabbit ^^.
So thumbs up for Sleeper for the work he's putting into this. That said, I'm not convinced by his discourse. Yes, there is a valid point in it not being a major storage problem. But I'm afraid other than that I see no argument. I read the OP, I read all subsequent posts and though you have convinced me it would not take much storage you have not convinced me that it is WORTH taking up storage with. I can't imagine what vital information would be transfered through this system that is impossible to convey through the existing channels/guild message options. Until I'm convinced there is a valable NEED for this, /notsigned

Edit: PS: sorry Sleeper, I respect your determination but you haven't got me quite yet =D

Hyper.nl · Oct 09, 2007, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

i just ran the math.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/b...inesoftext.jpg

I seriously hope that Anet is using a better program than notepad to store text but i can compare with only this.

I understand that there would be more to it that just server space but somehow I doubt that the bandwidth drain would be much considering what exactly we are running here and the amount of data that we would be receiving.

this is NOT a drain on resources. It would be helpful.

The 4 KB is size on disk, due to inefficient storage of very large files. In case of ArenaNet this text would be stored in a large database, so you don't have these ineffiencies.

Sleeper Service · Oct 09, 2007, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Anet already saves chat logs, trade logs, battle logs, connection logs, ...

Imagine a pile of stones. A very unstable pile of stones.
This would be like putting one stone more over the pile.

Yeah, it would be cool, it would be nice, but it would consume resources that are not needed to use on this, because people have already their own forums, and that's the system most people use and like.

I've been in games with own boards, yet people still used external ones.

Why to add something that will consume up so many resources if it would not be widely used?

GW has in two years had one server crash. GW is running on pretty stable stuff.

QUOTE
...
Of course, there’s almost no simpler kind of transaction than banging a BLOB into a database. Even so, that’s a lot of BLOB-banging. So between the game server and the database backends, there are custom cache servers. The game servers send messages about various kinds of structured game-object transactions to the cache servers; the cache servers then bang updated BLOBs into the database. These cache servers are extremely stable, staying up 150-200+ days at a time.
...
/QUOTE

source: http://www.dbms2.com/2007/06/09/the-...of-guild-wars/

For the resources used well if everything is already stored on a large database then it would be a question (and i am no expert but have dabbled) creating either a new table in the DB for the G.P.B. or indexing/pointing on a already existing one.

the transmission of said text would have no impact on BW.

I have been on games with their own boards too...but I am not proposing a forum board system Internet forums have their own uses and MUCH greater flexibility, this is a single line of text reserved for guild members.

For messages allong the lines of:

-anyone have some spare red dye?PM [Tom]Today 12:34 GMT
-hey i got legendary vanquish! ^^ [FRED]Today 6:53 GMT
-doing some AB tomorrow 16:00 GMT+4 join! [MIKE] Yesterday 14:32 GMT
-dudes i cant come to FOW tonight moms angry :s [SARAH]yesterday 16:25 GMT

why use the forum for something as breathtakingly simple as that?
I beg to differ i think it would be widely used and overall greatly appreciated.

Mineria · Oct 09, 2007, 08:12 AM // 08:12

/signed

- Most players will never read the GW website, never visit fansites, and never participate in forum discussions.

- Not really hard to implement.

- Modern packet compression methods will make this take minimum amount of bandwith.

- There are scripting options for saving and loading text files, looks like a mess when you open them with notepad, but will take minimal HD space.

- I can program this into a games server side any time, so of cause Anet can do so as well.

- Unless they got something more important to fix first.

wu is me · Oct 09, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

If Anet saves all our chat msg's wouldn't it be so much simpler to give us some sort of access to alliance chat/ chat from our guild from the past day or so? This wouldn't even have the complication of being implemented in the client, or require additional storage resources (given they save chats anyway), and could be put up on the Guild Wars website or something.

Heh maybe Anet could use the 4 gig HD on extra xunlai storage space or something...

Wouldn't be as effective as a forum, but it'll work just the same as what seems to be the proposal here.

Kayla Slays · Jan 31, 2011, 03:29 AM // 03:29

/signed
This literally needs to be as simple as "post-its" on a fridge. one liners, time limits would be fine.

Del · Jan 31, 2011, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kayla Slays

/signed
This literally needs to be as simple as "post-its" on a fridge. one liners, time limits would be fine.

Seriously? Bumping a thread that's been dead for over 3 years?

T1Cybernetic · Jan 31, 2011, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mineria

/signed

- Most players will never read the GW website, never visit fansites, and never participate in forum discussions.

- Not really hard to implement.

- Modern packet compression methods will make this take minimum amount of bandwith.

- There are scripting options for saving and loading text files, looks like a mess when you open them with notepad, but will take minimal HD space.

-SNIP-

- Unless they got something more important to fix first.

/Signed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Del

Seriously? Bumping a thread that's been dead for over 3 years?

Thread is still relevant, would you complain if someone opened a new thread on the subject without searching? At least search was used first

Shayne Hawke · Feb 01, 2011, 04:36 AM // 04:36

Zahr Dalsk's alternative seems pretty valid to me still, this thread is way old, and I don't foresee this as ever coming into existence when the devs can't even program a roster across the entire alliance. Unless something extraordinary happens in this regard,

Closed.