Curse

Dagoth Umbra · Nov 18, 2010, 11:03 AM // 11:03

/notsigned

I truly despise the nerf crowd. With a passion. As in, with the fire of a thousand flaming homosexuals.

Shadow Dragon · Nov 18, 2010, 11:09 AM // 11:09

call the wambulance!

elitists not able to choose who they group with, making something more accesible to more players, NERF!

fully /notsigned

Scary · Nov 18, 2010, 11:51 AM // 11:51

/notsigned.

I don't want them to nerf anything anymore in PvE...
let them do important things I dont care if they double the damage of DwG.
If they want to do mindless runs.. let them.
I will w8 untill the 7 hero's Than make some freaky build which prob. needs
some cons to work. I know it's a cliche.. but Pugs are no fun anyway anymore.
Even when they would nerf DwG. Nop think of something els .
We in our alliance always do DoA random way. Sure this takes time, effort
some cons and dp removals. but it's fun...

yea yea I know... long story to just say ./notsigned.

Xiaquin · Nov 18, 2010, 06:27 PM // 18:27

I don't understand what's supposed to be fun about DwG-way rolling over an "elite" area. So if secondaries can run it, that's supposed to make it ok?

Whatever. Skills like this are the reason high-end PvE is rolled without difficulty. Defending accessibility is a poor excuse for watering down a game just to "make up" for other imbalances.

SF is guilty as Sin and needs to die, but to run in groups rolling DoA with DwG, thinking that's righteous, is just wrong. I can't blame them, since people take the path of least resistance, but it's pretty evident that nobody gives a f- if they can get in on the easy money, too. Shame.

Essence Snow · Nov 18, 2010, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Short of the long, DwG brought life back to DoA......for a long time it was empty. I'd personnally rather see DoA way it is now than have it return to a ghost town.

xcyncrox · Dec 24, 2010, 06:25 PM // 18:25

This is actually a team build requiring only 4 DWG and the rest specific goals.

Who actually know how to do their job! And the OP is complaining.

Roll Monk or Imba and dont use DWG if you want to pug.

If you dont want to pug find a guild that randomways.

What babies.

Esp the ones that compare this to Ursan which was pure faceroll. you could practically do ursan with all 8 players and do half of doa back then.

superraptors · Dec 25, 2010, 03:07 AM // 03:07

no thanks i dont want to not be able to pug this. killing pug more is a terrible idea.
like ursanway which comparably slow in the old days to now sc's was a bad move and killed a good amount of pugging.

Simath · Dec 25, 2010, 03:48 AM // 03:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiaquin

I don't understand what's supposed to be fun about DwG-way rolling over an "elite" area. So if secondaries can run it, that's supposed to make it ok?

Whatever. Skills like this are the reason high-end PvE is rolled without difficulty. Defending accessibility is a poor excuse for watering down a game just to "make up" for other imbalances.

SF is guilty as Sin and needs to die, but to run in groups rolling DoA with DwG, thinking that's righteous, is just wrong. I can't blame them, since people take the path of least resistance, but it's pretty evident that nobody gives a f- if they can get in on the easy money, too. Shame.

Spot on. I've seen people argue against this for years.

Zanagi Kazuhiko · Dec 25, 2010, 04:46 AM // 04:46

/notsigned

This is the only way my warrior can actually make decent cash from farming, and I do not want higher armbrace prices.

WarcryOfTruth · Dec 25, 2010, 06:06 AM // 06:06

Not trying to troll, and I apologize that it sounds like I am, but through the grapevine, (there was a discussion in Gate of Anguish like a week or so ago), about it being one of many targets of "major re-balancing" to come with the Dervish update.

Now, whether this is true or not, I am not sure, I am simply stating a discussion that seemed to be serious (not sarcastic).

Volo · Dec 25, 2010, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calista Blackblood

Doing fowsc in less than 15 mins is ridiculous,doing DoA NM is nothing like that speed(our fastest is 1hr10.we don't even bother with NM not unless we take teaching runs) or anywhere near as ridiculous...

But remove FoW from the game because an elite area shouldn't be clearable that quick right?

oh god plz add a end boss in fow plz
and any normal run with a normal setup for fow its hard to get lower than 15min. for a time <15min it requires many runs and probably 90% of them fail so yeah ok its ridiculous but we fail more than pugs.... so is it really that bad???

but srs elite areas are restricted to few classes cuze they can most efficiently clear the area with those classes so dont hate if ur main isnt as efficient as others and no one wants to take u but yah dwg is op but w/e its a game if u have fun spamming 1-2-3 over and over again good for u

HeavyTank · Dec 25, 2010, 08:00 AM // 08:00

i find it quite funny, look at Underworld these days. "Show xxx stones, no noobs!" and what other crap, finding a group to do it you are lucky as hell and even then there's probably some elitist fool in the group. if DoA goes the same way the game can sadly die then because no normal person will even look at doing it.

also another thing that happens with builds like dwg. it reduces the need for silly crap like rmt fools because everyone can get the cool toys then

newbie_of_doom · Dec 25, 2010, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by Travaail

Destructive was glaive is far too overpowered for normal mode and allows people to do mindless domain of anguish runs with no more skill required than ursan.

needs to be nerfed.

You can play normal mode mindlessly with zero skills in your bar.

Wrath of m0o · Dec 25, 2010, 03:14 PM // 15:14

/Not Signed
Because this is faster and cheaper

http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_DoA_Trenchway

anonymous · Dec 25, 2010, 05:36 PM // 17:36

All people care about is their money, not game balance. DwG being easy cuts into their profits. If you are going to nerf DwG, nerf permasins and all AoE casters. Make elite areas like a PvP match, for every single mob pull. Single target spikes and shutdown should be the only way to kill things. NPCs should have enough healing and survivability to survive through just pure damage. 5 minutes to kill a mob of 8 NPCs because you have to shutdown their 2 monks while getting blinded by eles and interrupted by rangers and mesmers, along with the NPCs doing heavy enchant and stance removal and spiking your monks. Enjoy your 6 hour DoA runs. No AFKs either, you have to stay the whole time. If anyone stops inputting commands for over 1 minute, the entire group is kicked out. Just so it can be only for the hardcore gamers.

Bet you would be wishing DwG wasn't nerfed if you were forced to only play DoA after that.

Leave the hard stuff for PvP. Let people have fun doing their own thing in PvE. It isn't a competition to see who can get the richest. I don't see how other people having money and skins hurts you in the slightest. Stop being so petty.

Kosar The Cruel · Dec 27, 2010, 10:18 AM // 10:18

Most people I see are really only using DwG in DoA. In general PvE all the Rits are arguing over who can place 3 spirits the best.
Anyone with half a brain would run another of the faster ways in DoA.

/notsigned

Xiaquin · Dec 28, 2010, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by anonymous

Stop being so petty.

It's hardly petty, after that grandiose exaggeration of yours. And I'm not sure anyone stated that DwG is the only deserving nerf; if so, that would be wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonymous

Leave the hard stuff for PvP.

Not everyone likes PvP, and easy != fun. This is entirely the point of the nerf, because prestige of rewards and accomplishment suffers when things are too easy.

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Originally Posted by anonymous

I don't see how other people having money and skins hurts you in the slightest.

Then why did keg farming and Ursan get nerfed? They weren't hurting anyone but pixels. Let them have fun, right?

_Aphotic_ · Dec 28, 2010, 02:17 AM // 02:17

/not signed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

Because this is faster and cheaper

http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_DoA_Trenchway

You'll have sins not ONLY and ALREADY running EVERY DUNGEON/UW/FoW but this as well... do you really want to turn this into a Sin SC meta (when they already have just about everything else)?

It's not like you see people spamming LFP Trenchway in DoA (on rare occasion I have).
Keep it that way and allow Ritualist secondaries to run this build in NM; don't screw EVERYONE over- they already don't even get recruited for HM runs.

anonymous · Dec 28, 2010, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiaquin

It's hardly petty, after that grandiose exaggeration of yours. And I'm not sure anyone stated that DwG is the only deserving nerf; if so, that would be wrong.

Not everyone likes PvP, and easy != fun. This is entirely the point of the nerf, because prestige of rewards and accomplishment suffers when things are too easy.

Then why did keg farming and Ursan get nerfed? They weren't hurting anyone but pixels. Let them have fun, right?

I'm not saying it needs to be easy, I'm saying it should be easy for everyone or it should be easy for no one. I'm pretty sure this thread is about nerfing DwG. OP said nothing about making the entire area harder or nerfing anything other than DwG. I'm perfectly fine with the area being harder, just as long as it isn't only harder for the people without an Assassin, Mesmer, Paragon, or Monk. Make it equally hard for all classes or leave it equally easy for all classes. Just as long as it is equal it is fine. People shouldn't have to play one of those classes if they want to be on fair ground with other players in the game.

Xenomortis · Dec 28, 2010, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by anonymous

I'm not saying it needs to be easy, I'm saying it should be easy for everyone or it should be easy for no one.

This is a stupid statement.
If you make the game easy for everyone, there is never any incentive or need to develop as a player.
If you make the game difficult for everyone, then it becomes impossible for the majority.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonymous

I'm perfectly fine with the area being harder, just as long as it isn't only harder for the people without an Assassin, Mesmer, Paragon, or Monk. Make it equally hard for all classes or leave it equally easy for all classes. Just as long as it is equal it is fine. People shouldn't have to play one of those classes if they want to be on fair ground with other players in the game.

This is more or less a result of how the game works. Builds with more broken stuff are favoured and if a particular profession has better broken shit then that's going to be picked up more frequently. This extends to all PvE but isn't as bad as it used to be.
SC and farming teams take this to an extreme by demanding precise builds that can be run by only a small number of professions. DwG is a little unusual since it's very versatile in what it can be run on (although it's not a SC).

That aside, it makes an elite area somewhat trivial for average, even poor players. That's an indication something has gone wrong.