Curse

melissa b · Mar 17, 2011, 07:57 PM // 19:57

3 Things to point out to the no crowd ....

People saying this is to make Gwamm easier. Actually it would be making Gwamm = in work to someone that creates a new character in prophecies. ie balance

People saying it goes against lore ....
Other titles already go against lore. Even a recent update goes against lore. The march 3rd update gives people that death leveled LDOA a chance to get survivor. Seem not very logical that someone dying thousands of times is a legendary survivor. Again changing LDOA to account base going against lore would be balanced by other titles going against lore.

Anet specifically supporting implementing balance so that all characaters have access to titles. Same number of titles for one character = balance.
Going to wiki, Anet says in reference to why survivor was changed..."There were also vast legions of characters who existed and were well established in the world long before this title was implemented; they almost certainly never obtained it. " source: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Devel...in_Pre-Searing
So updating LDOA to being accountwide would be consistent with Anets vision of allowing characters access to titles that existed before they were implemented. This would finish the balancing they started with survivor.

In summary: Yes = Balance

Bad Company Sin · Mar 17, 2011, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by JONO51

4/10 of professions cannot achieve this title no matter what. People who made a character pre titles or chose LS instead of this are penalized by never being able to achieve this, like how pre-titles char were penalized for never being able to attempt LS. Make it account wide and be done with it.

Non proph chars should NOT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN LDOA. It is an area/campaign specific title. unless theres some mythical Ascalon Cities in Fac/NF. Though there isn't.

Qing Guang · Mar 17, 2011, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Bad Company Sin

Non proph chars should NOT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN LDOA. It is an area/campaign specific title. unless theres some mythical Ascalon Cities in Fac/NF. Though there isn't.

This, right here. Even if I had the patience to get LDoA on my ele, my necro should not get credit for it... she was born on Shing Jea, she went to school in Shing Jea, she's lived her entire life in Cantha, and she's never even set foot in Ascalon. Why the heck should she get the title?

I could see making GWAMM account-wide, so people don't feel forced to get all their titles on one character, but this is just stupid.

**cosyfiep** · Mar 17, 2011, 10:30 PM // 22:30

no
ldoa means ONE character made it to level 20 in pre searing, the same way protector of tyria says that ONE character finished all the tyria missions, same as protector of cantha as well as cartography--these are titles that ONE character must do. When you make a new character you dont get protector or guardian without ever having done a mission do you? WHY would you give any other character than a prophecies based character ldoa?

makes about as much sense as making protector and guardian (and cartography) account wide, heck why bother playing a new character if they already have all the missions mastered/bonus achieved and the whole map already unfogged? These are things that your character should do not your account.

melissa b · Mar 17, 2011, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by Qing Guang

This, right here. Even if I had the patience to get LDoA on my ele, my necro should not get credit for it... she was born on Shing Jea, she went to school in Shing Jea, she's lived her entire life in Cantha, and she's never even set foot in Ascalon. Why the heck should she get the title?

I could see making GWAMM account-wide, so people don't feel forced to get all their titles on one character, but this is just stupid.

I see where your coming from, sure your necro never went to Ascalon so it doesn't fit in with lore. However, other titles don't fit in with lore. So unless every title strictly follows lore why make non-consistent rules? LDOA should not be a special exception to follow lore for it but than turn arround and say well its ok for survivor title to not follow lore and well why not do the same for treasure hunter.

Kunder · Mar 17, 2011, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by melissa b

I see where your coming from, sure your necro never went to Ascalon so it doesn't fit in with lore. However, other titles don't fit in with lore. So unless every title strictly follows lore why make non-consistent rules? LDOA should not be a special exception to follow lore for it but than turn arround and say well its ok for survivor title to not follow lore and well why not do the same for treasure hunter.

Indeed, if you are against making LDoA account wide just because certain characters haven't "done" it, you are against every account wide title that currently exists.

PvP titles? Your PvE characters didn't earn them, why should they get the title? In fact, if you reroll to another class you should reset your title progresss. I ask you: how can your 1 day old character be a Legendary Hero/Champion? God damn whiners keep wanting Anet to make things easy for them, you might as well just award r15 Hero to anyone who starts up guild wars I suppose.

The Real Avalon · Mar 17, 2011, 11:04 PM // 23:04

Uhm. Couple of options to me.

1# Make it an exclusive pre-title. It's already in your HoM so you get the benefit off of it. When people leave pre, they should strip it.
2# Don't make it count for GWAMM
3# Change the Elona/Cantha Beginner islands to an area similar to pre. Strip those missions from the Protector/Guardian title track and add a Defender title to those areas.
4# An entire new Beginner area for both other Expansions.
5# Make it Account-based

Honestly, if you're just saying no, it's because you're trying to protect your precious GWAMM title.

My monk main wasn't able to do Survivor & LDoA because he's THAT old. Now that I've got Survivor it's pretty cool cause I'm at 36 Maxed Titles now, I'd just like to have the same options that others had when they got that title on another character. I already have it on my ranger, but I didn't want to make that one my main. Are people to be disadvantaged when they want a main from any of the expansions? Seems somewhat unfair to me, doesn't it?

Ghull Ka · Mar 17, 2011, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Nope.

The "account wide" titles are account wide because "something" about them results in a painful, un-fun or otherwise bad playing experience. Account wide titles should be the exception, not the rule.

I'd vote for making Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal account-wide, for the same reason they made Seeker of Wisdom account-wide: It was lame having to "pass your golds to your wisdom character" to identify them. It's also lame having to pass all your booze, toys and sweets to your GWAMM-in-progress so that you don't "waste" these items.

melissa b · Mar 17, 2011, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

Nope.

The "account wide" titles are account wide because "something" about them results in a painful, un-fun or otherwise bad playing experience. Account wide titles should be the exception, not the rule.

I'd vote for making Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal account-wide, for the same reason they made Seeker of Wisdom account-wide: It was lame having to "pass your golds to your wisdom character" to identify them. It's also lame having to pass all your booze, toys and sweets to your GWAMM-in-progress so that you don't "waste" these items.

Painful.... it's very painful to delete a character with 40 titles and redo all those 40 titles just to get where you were and have access to LDOA
Un-Fun...it not fun for a sin to not be able to participate in LDOA or any main character that can't access LDOA
Bad Playing Experience...see painful
Lame....its lame that a main can't attain LDOA due to creation date

Bad Company Sin · Mar 18, 2011, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by melissa b

Painful.... it's very painful to delete a character with 40 titles and redo all those 40 titles just to get where you were and have access to LDOA
Un-Fun...it not fun for a sin to not be able to participate in LDOA or any main character that can't access LDOA
Bad Playing Experience...see painful
Lame....its lame that a main can't attain LDOA due to creation date

Well thats just too bad, isnt it?

Perkunas · Mar 18, 2011, 12:57 AM // 00:57

I knew this argument would come up sooner or later.

No. LDoA is a pre-sear title. If another title is needed to "balance" the titles, put one in Factions and NF exclusive to them.

Bad Company Sin · Mar 18, 2011, 01:06 AM // 01:06

Lol, Legendary Gardener of Ran Musu Gardens.

Kunder · Mar 18, 2011, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Bad Company Sin

Lol, Legendary Gardener of Ran Musu Gardens.

Cantha should get Legendary Ninja, while Elona gets Legendary Pirate. Cmon Anet, this is too good to pass up.

Elfblade · Mar 18, 2011, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by melissa b

Painful.... it's very painful to delete a character with 40 titles and redo all those 40 titles just to get where you were and have access to LDOA
Un-Fun...it not fun for a sin to not be able to participate in LDOA or any main character that can't access LDOA
Bad Playing Experience...see painful
Lame....its lame that a main can't attain LDOA due to creation date

its funny that you had the smallest expectations that anet would actually do it. in the end its your choice nobody forces you to delete anything.

Bad Company Sin · Mar 18, 2011, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by Kunder

Cantha should get Legendary Ninja, while Elona gets Legendary Pirate. Cmon Anet, this is too good to pass up.

Hmm, thats a little to generic, needs to be more specific so noone complains. They still wouldnt live up to LDOA though X]

matter of time · Mar 18, 2011, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Coast

who are u? never heard of you, must be pretty well known in the game i suppose...
And I'm calling u a RETARD because u are unfair towards other people, thats a good reason enough to be retarded or have Downs.

mr Downs, retreded or red engine gored ... choose the best option for you then because you are unfair much more then others ... and now could you be so kind and explain me at what basis you says that i was unfair with you? Are you able to focus on the merit instead of creating invectives (hope you know what it means) or offending? Don't you know that this is highly rude to ask ''who are you?'' that way you did? your parents haven't explain it for you? don't worry I just did that for them ... you have proposed to make wisdom/chests not to be account based if LDOA won't be fairly treated as account based either ... haven't you? I have explained to you the mechanisms of these titiles because your comparison wasn't right and what have you did? you have called me retarded as a rewarding for this kind of favour. Well my bad that I have created this post ... discussion with pampered children is really pointless ... so don't expect any answer anymore

Matirion Maeronta · Mar 18, 2011, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by matter of time

I have explained to you the mechanisms of these titiles because your comparison wasn't right and what you have you did?

I have to agree on the point that his comparison is incorrect... But the truth actually makes the balance go to his side.
ANET has already made it clear that titles weren't supposed to be exclusive unless you do not own the campaign they belong to. In combination with the fact that the LDoA title is a grind, just as the wisdom/chest titles are. It has more weight to be converted into an account wide title, in order to remove the exclusiveness, then that any other title has.
My advice is to check your spelling, grammar and reasoning before you post anything, all you do now is make yourself look like a random kid that complains when people want to take his toy away.

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Originally Posted by Bad Company Sin

Non proph chars should NOT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN LDOA. It is an area/campaign specific title. unless theres some mythical Ascalon Cities in Fac/NF. Though there isn't.

If the campaign specificness would matter, then protector of cantha shouldn't be available to a prophecies character either, as it is specific to factions... Obviously a prophecies or nightfall character should never be allowed to get that! Let's change every title to match your great choice of words! PvP titles should only be available to PvP only characters, nightfall titles only to nightfall, etc...
If you would bring up a single reason why they shouldn't make LDoA account-wide that doesn't say "they can't have that if they weren't in Ascalon back then", please reply... Untill then, that same reason will also dismiss any other account based title...
If you would be correct the following needs to change:
A pre-searing char shouldn't have the luxon/kurzick title, they were never in Cantha! They shouldn't have gladiator, they never fought in PvP! They haven't opened a chest or even seen a gold item! They can't have those titles!

If anyone of the against side has any reason that it shouldn't change, other then elitism/epeen/stupidity, let me know. If it is a valid reason, I will admit it. If it is not, I will compare it with other situations which already exist.

dagrdagaz · Mar 18, 2011, 01:19 PM // 13:19

LDoA is to me a character based title.

So, no, to making it account wide.

Especially becos it should be and remain impossible for Rits,Sins,Paras and Dervs to get LDoA.

I still find it silly that several account based titles show up for my pre char when there is no chance at all the pre char could have done any thing for them.
But thats another thing.

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If the campaign specificness would matter, then protector of cantha shouldn't be available to a prophecies character either, as it is specific to factions...

Except, that Prophecies characters can travel to Cantha and do quests and missions there.
pre-searing Ascalon is in the past for Factions and Nightfall characters, they cannot travel there. As simple as that.

Aldric · Mar 18, 2011, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by Matirion Maeronta

If the campaign specificness would matter, then protector of cantha shouldn't be available to a prophecies character either, as it is specific to factions...Obviously a prophecies or nightfall character should never be allowed to get that!

Its not specific to Factions , its specific to anyone that can visit Cantha.

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Originally Posted by Matirion Maeronta

A pre-searing char shouldn't have the luxon/kurzick title, they were never in Cantha! They shouldn't have gladiator, they never fought in PvP! They haven't opened a chest or even seen a gold item! They can't have those titles!

Your logic is beyond flawed. Those titles are available to anyone who progresses through the game just like virtually every title.

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Originally Posted by The Real Avalon

Honestly, if you're just saying no, it's because you're trying to protect your precious GWAMM title.

Saying no has nothing to do with my GWAMM and everything to do with it being a bad title thats only available to proph chars who have been in presearing and as such should only be able to be shown on that Char, certainly not on non prophs characters.

Anet royally arsed up when implementing this title, they should spare us all the outpouring of whining and either give everyone that leaves presearing it or just delete it altogether. Either way removing it from 50/50 & gwammage wouldnt bother me in the least

Bad Company Sin · Mar 18, 2011, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by Matirion Maeronta

I have to agree on the point that his comparison is incorrect... But the truth actually makes the balance go to his side.
ANET has already made it clear that titles weren't supposed to be exclusive unless you do not own the campaign they belong to. In combination with the fact that the LDoA title is a grind, just as the wisdom/chest titles are. It has more weight to be converted into an account wide title, in order to remove the exclusiveness, then that any other title has.
My advice is to check your spelling, grammar and reasoning before you post anything, all you do now is make yourself look like a random kid that complains when people want to take his toy away.

If the campaign specificness would matter, then protector of cantha shouldn't be available to a prophecies character either, as it is specific to factions... Obviously a prophecies or nightfall character should never be allowed to get that! Let's change every title to match your great choice of words! PvP titles should only be available to PvP only characters, nightfall titles only to nightfall, etc...
If you would bring up a single reason why they shouldn't make LDoA account-wide that doesn't say "they can't have that if they weren't in Ascalon back then", please reply... Untill then, that same reason will also dismiss any other account based title...
If you would be correct the following needs to change:
A pre-searing char shouldn't have the luxon/kurzick title, they were never in Cantha! They shouldn't have gladiator, they never fought in PvP! They haven't opened a chest or even seen a gold item! They can't have those titles!

If anyone of the against side has any reason that it shouldn't change, other then elitism/epeen/stupidity, let me know. If it is a valid reason, I will admit it. If it is not, I will compare it with other situations which already exist.

LDOA is an exclusive title, like it or not.

I'm sorry there are no missions in pre, those titles are obtainable by all pve chars, aslong as they can travel to that area, like I posted earlier, LDOA is an AREA SPECIFIC title, not only campaign. Who are you to admit anything? After all we are all going off opinion right? Thats what polls are based on right? I'm sorry people dont want to make a char and get LDOA and add it to their HoM, Not anyones problem but their own. If they want the title bad enough, they'll obtain it. As for Kurz/Lux, Wisdom/Pirate(Treasure) Titles I'm sorry they are account wide, just like pvp titles. One thing I think everyone can agree on though is PVP chars should not, will not ever be able to obtain campaign completion titles. Thats something I don't get about people, GW is a FTP game (free to play) yet when something is too hard, they whine, when it gets changed they whine, when it goes how they want, THEY WANT MORE. As for me looking like some random kid who's whining because my (toy was taken away) I have yet to obtain LDOA, but I dont bitch and complain about it like everyone else. "Oh I got it on this char, I wanna show it on all, ffs, wanna show it on all, go delete all, and remake all your chars in proph excluding dervs, sins, rits, par.