Curse

Winterclaw · Mar 28, 2011, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Wand/staff attack skills.

As attack skills ignore damage, some of the single target spells, and maybe one or two AoE spells, should be converted over into attack skills (since the damage on those ignores armor).

With that, els would have a method of being able to deal damage in HM and it'd involve the least amount of changes overall. Plus anet doesn't need to make these changes to the pvp side of things unless they want to mix things up.

Potential spells to be converted:
Anything that's a projectile spell
Enervating charge
Lightning bolt
Lightning Javelin
Stone Daggers
Stoning
Flare
Lava Arrows
Ice Spear
Water Trident

Cuilan · Mar 28, 2011, 08:40 PM // 20:40

I'm not too sure if this would fix them (I don't think it would), but it's one of the more sane suggestions made. Players aren't really into those skills in PvE though.

Lord Mip · Mar 28, 2011, 08:47 PM // 20:47

It wouldn't be a total fix, since Elementalist would still lack in the AoE department, but it's a good suggestion to make Eles more viable for single target nuking. I like it.

jazilla · Mar 28, 2011, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Wand/staff attack skills.

As attack skills ignore damage, some of the single target spells, and maybe one or two AoE spells, should be converted over into attack skills (since the damage on those ignores armor).

If you made 1 or 2 AoE spells from each attribute this way, I would be all for that. It would let Master of Magic see more use for sure.

tcratty · Mar 28, 2011, 09:13 PM // 21:13

i always have a good LOL when i see the ele stink in HM QQ.i never had any problems dealing damage in HM with my ele you just have to snare group before aoe nuke and then knock them down combos work wonders

AndrewSX · Mar 28, 2011, 09:19 PM // 21:19

@ above: other 7 team mates says hi.

As people says in this case, "i can roll pve using blank bar. Blank bar is fine."

dasmitchies · Mar 28, 2011, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Simply put, give them armor ignoring damage in fire, air and water lines like in the earth line of spells. Tenari's crystals wokrs because it is armor ignoring. That way you don't have to OP AOE like it was before HM and can undo some of the nerfs like they have been working on. This fix is simple and allready in the game mechanics.

MithranArkanere · Mar 28, 2011, 09:59 PM // 21:59

You'll have to make them unblockable too.

Don Zardeone · Mar 28, 2011, 10:20 PM // 22:20

My ele has an axe and conjure frost coupled with strength of honor (from hero) and triple chop, cyclone axe and whirlwind attack. Someone splinters me and everything suddenly sexplodes. Yes, sexplodes. It's that hot!
Got a messy watermagic armor buff too.

edit:
Just give an inherent armor penetration to energy storage. 1 pt per point in ES, or per 2 points or whatever. But only in PvE hard mode. Maybe change one of the elementalist-specific pve skills like intensity or that other one to do just that.
Oh, and something to increase casting speed. my warrior manages to get maybe one attack chain off in HM. Then things are dead... If I were to play my ele as a caster, I'm sure I would do fireworks... like way back when in prophecies, Orion would do firestorm at the end of a fight. I wouldn't be able to cast fast enough to actually do anything.

Before I went meleele, I did discord AP caller, boring :/

HawkofStorms · Mar 28, 2011, 10:29 PM // 22:29

The problem isn't eles. The problem is people wanting to play ele's "wrong." People expect eles to be an aoe DPS class because the guy who shots fireballs in other MMOs is a DPS class. Eles in PvE are an AoE control class. Blind, knockdowns, snares, weakness, cracked armor, wards. Mix in some PvE skills for damage (like pain inverter), and an ele is very capable in PvE.

Bright Star Shine · Mar 28, 2011, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

The problem isn't eles. The problem is people wanting to play ele's "wrong." People expect eles to be an aoe DPS class because the guy who shots fireballs in other MMOs is a DPS class. Eles in PvE are an AoE control class. Blind, knockdowns, snares, weakness, cracked armor, wards. Mix in some PvE skills for damage (like pain inverter), and an ele is very capable in PvE.

I know this has been quoted three million times before, but anyway:

Quote:

Elementalists can inflict more damage in a single strike than any other profession.

Straight from the official website. Now, I wonder why people want to play eles to blast shit to bits..

HawkofStorms · Mar 28, 2011, 10:37 PM // 22:37

So? Change the website.

There is nothing wrong with the class. Just people's perceptions of what it should be.

FoxBat · Mar 28, 2011, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Only issue is mesmers do better aoe shutdown and damage at once now, so I'm not sure where you are going here.

No reason to half-ass this, just cap the automatic armor upgrades after lvl 20, replace with a little more HP. It will fix alot more than just eles.

AlsPals · Mar 29, 2011, 01:03 AM // 01:03

The best way to buff Eles is reduce the ridiculous Armor HM creatures have and increase their current HP by 20-30%. That way eles will do NM damage...just have to do slightly more of it.

pingu666 · Mar 29, 2011, 01:05 AM // 01:05

that would help warriors, rangers and paragons, and dervishes(perhaps)

AlsPals · Mar 29, 2011, 01:09 AM // 01:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by pingu666

that would help warriors, rangers and paragons, and dervishes(perhaps)

Exactly. EVERYONE would be even more playable without having to run PVE spikes or retardo builds like Discord/Sabway.

Cuilan · Mar 29, 2011, 01:24 AM // 01:24

You don't have to run Discord or Sabway. If you read these forums Discord gets a bunch of hate from hipsters and Sabway is viewed as out of date. Maybe keeping up with skill changes or experimenting more with your current skills could help.

Lanier · Mar 29, 2011, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuilan

You don't have to run Discord or Sabway. If you read these forums Discord gets a bunch of hate from hipsters and Sabway is viewed as out of date. Maybe keeping up with skill changes or experimenting more with your current skills could help.

I dont think his point is that he has to run an armor ignoring damage-way, just that he would like to see the damage potential of elemental damage closer to that of armor ignoring damage.

IronSheik · Mar 29, 2011, 02:12 AM // 02:12

I have no problem putting eles to a great use in PvE HM, play a different build.

Just because you can't pump out AoE 150 damage every second doesn't make em useless.

LifeInfusion · Mar 29, 2011, 02:43 AM // 02:43

PVE Conjures adding + damage to spells IMO. I"d also change PVE mirror of ice to add AoE like Keystone, rather than only giving +damage to one target.

+20 would make up for the 30% loss on skills <100. (70.7% from 100 armor with cracked)

+40% or +15% armor penetration on intensity

It wouldn't help DOTs... but whatever, they have EBSOH.