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Fate Crusher · Apr 08, 2011, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Obviously you have not played RA enough.

A bit rude. g7 says otherwise.

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95% of RA is luck.

Then why are sync teams such a problem? why are you always stuck with 1/2 morons? You have serious players who want wins and will do so by synching. There are a bare minimum, especially nowadays, of serious players who will enter RA without a sync because they're stuck with non-serious/non-syncing morons, as you'd put it.

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The reason is players leave constantly even with a 15 minute debuff

In order to rejoin with their sync squadz.

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and there is nothing more anet can do with sync teams atm because of the format of the title points. The best option is make RA give 1 glad point per win. With 1 point per win all of the above becomes less painful.

This is not the best option at all. You're not thinking long term. Ok, GW is at the end of it's life cycle and Anet have already made it obvious they don't want to fix certain player needs/wants, but the best option is obviously to fix the player match up and truly make it random. It's rediculous to say that in order to fix something, make it less painful. Within 5 seconds of reading you go from explaining the best option to admitting it only supresses the pain. Did I miss that lesson in school where they said a bandage will fix a broken bone? I'd love for Anet to explain why their coding was so messed up for Random Arenas in the first place that they -in their attempt to fix the sync problem a few years back- simply made the order list worldwide and not by district. Epic. Because co-ordinating through the interwebs has never been done before....

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The way RA is now I should be getting lucky points for getting 5 consecutive matches.

Like i've said already, the only argument this proposal has is that players are not winning enough to get title points, so you think some points for pressing Enter Battle will make it more worthwhile. I'm sorry, but the syncers will still be there, and the morons will still be there, probably in greater numbers.

RA has always been PvP's dipping pool. Gladiator just shouldn't be taken so seriously anymore for those who aren't so feverishly addicted to ranking up. I still play RA now because I enjoy 4v4 gameplay (and because I'm actually good at it), but I'm not bothered by the necessity of the title track. Of course I want to win, but not to farm the title.
It's like with HA as well, anyone who enjoyed it back when WoTU was playing, we never checked how many points we had, we played to win. The title came with the winning.

MithranArkanere · Apr 08, 2011, 02:57 AM // 02:57

I will only go back to RA if they make the matches completely random, with randomized teams in each fight, like the Costume Brawl, and each fight count, and count the same, without streaks.

One win one point. Period.

As it is now, you can win 80% of ALL the battles you have ever fought in RA, and still get 0 points, and those lucky enough to get a balanced team get streaks and lots of points, which is completely absurd in a place that is supposed to be random.

If anyone wants teams and more organized gameplay, they have HA or GvG.

Missing HB · Apr 08, 2011, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

If anyone wants teams and more organized gameplay, they have HA or GvG.

Those formats are 8v8 though , it's not at all the same monking alone in 4v4 than healing in a format where there are 3 backline , bsurger/spiritspammer and epic linebackers....

But many here don't really understand the point of glad title. It was at first 10 wins because bars were fair at prophecies time , it wasn't like you got rolled in 5 sec when you had no monk... Thus even the most random team had chances to get some wins ,and furthermore , rank wasn't meaning much....

Really ,at that time you could go in with any bar and still win . Today if i want to have at least some chances to win , i either have to go in as bsurger , either as epic wiki stance monk..... so fun...

Syncers aren't that much a problem alone , they are if included in this terrible system... Most of times you finally end up having correct team after hours , of course you have to fight one of them on 6th consec.....

M3G · Apr 08, 2011, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Teams in RA should be shuffled every round so that would make syncing only worth for 1st round and making RA truely random. But the downside is that it would be Luck Arena depending on who you are teamed with...

Wannagotoheaven · Apr 08, 2011, 09:15 AM // 09:15

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Syncers aren't that much a problem alone , they are if included in this terrible system... Most of times you finally end up having correct team after hours , of course you have to fight one of them on 6th consec.....

Pretty much this. Problem is, not everyone plays for hours, and even if they had the time, most people would stop doing RA and move to something else because of the win/loss ratio that's currently present in RA.

I think the current state of RA is broken, more because of the builds that are around than the syncers. Best I've gotten in two weeks is 18 wins, with a balanced team. We lost again a double derv spamming conds and their everlasting pressure.
I'm for a change in RA, through title/syncing/grouping. Any or all of these.

Also, most people in RA are trying to get r3 min just for the HoM, so yeah, as pointed out earlier, 90% of players are playing for the latters below they toon

reaper with no name · Apr 08, 2011, 06:16 PM // 18:16

I don't care personally about the glad title, but that doesn't make it ok for there to be a title with no practical way to get that doesn't involve syncing.

/signed

clear · Apr 08, 2011, 06:23 PM // 18:23

I think the Glad title track is set up just fine. Most of the time I get paired with good team mates after a few tries. I only run into maybe one sync team a day and that is usually only one or two players that synced.

Wannagotoheaven · Apr 08, 2011, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by clear

I only run into maybe one sync team a day and that is usually only one or two players that synced.

Hi, I'm one player, and Ima sync with myself.
Syncing is often done cross alliance (diff guild tags) so you might not know they are syncing

thedeadlyassassin · Apr 08, 2011, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I'd like a change to RA, but really, just add a new, better way for PvP. How about 5v5 TA? And add the Glad to that.

Problem with RA are "syncers", griefers, people testing their crap builds, and all that garbage. People don't care about their teammates.

I would like a point for a win though. That'd be nice. Wouldn't make the title easier, just... possible.

AndrewSX · Apr 08, 2011, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by thedeadlyassassin

I would like a point for a win though. That'd be nice. Wouldn't make the title easier, just... possible.

Agree with most has been said here about RA(even if i don't play so much pvp after it).
And if u make getting points faster/easier, just push up the amount of points needed for the ranks. Surely win streaks must be awarded, but now is just matter of luck/sync, and they're the only way to progress in this title atm.

*lemming* · Apr 08, 2011, 10:43 PM // 22:43

How is it any better that the title should be completely reflective of time spent grinding?

Fate Crusher · Apr 09, 2011, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by lemming

How is it any better that the title should be completely reflective of time spent grinding?

Because it then joins every other title.

It's pretty obvious that whoever wants to see the Gladiator title change to points-per-win, are wanting an easier approach on creeping up the title. Regardless of how difficult it becomes, as long as they "enter battle" they will always improve on their title.

Does anyone else see the flaw in this? Especially with Guild Wars being so intrinsically based on PvP gameplay, your proposed title is promoting none of that and just farming, essentially.

Coast · Apr 09, 2011, 01:22 AM // 01:22

red resign all over again, lol

Pugs Not Drugs · Apr 09, 2011, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by Fate Crusher

Does anyone else see the flaw in this? Especially with Guild Wars being so intrinsically based on PvP gameplay, your proposed title is promoting none of that and just farming, essentially.

Maxing or even getting a high rank in any pvp title right now is basically farming. in order to get a decent rank in any pvp title, you pretty much have to abuse the gimmicky build of the month over and over again to see progress. you could make that argument for the pvp titles in place right now. pretty much any title in this game, in fact, can only be maxed with farming over and over again

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Originally Posted by Coast

red resign all over again, lol

what? that makes no sense

a. red resign wasnt for the title, it was for zkeys
b. its alot harder to get 4 red people to resign than 1

yum · Apr 09, 2011, 04:41 AM // 04:41

Gladiator title track:

You gain 1 point every time you enter Random Arena.

Happy nao?

GWfan#1 · Apr 09, 2011, 04:49 AM // 04:49

Has it ever been suggested that in RA every team is Random? Even if you win your next match will be with different teammates.

I think they did that with the most recent costume battles.

**Marty Silverblade** · Apr 09, 2011, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by Pugs Not Drugs

what? that makes no sense

a. red resign wasnt for the title, it was for zkeys
b. its alot harder to get 4 red people to resign than 1

How does that make no sense?

a) You can still rr balth faction on RA Zquest days. The quest is repeatable.
b) I'm sure a lot more people will be playing to resign if this is implemented. Remember you need a PvP title for the HoM, and it's worth 3 points. A point per win will quite possible make rr'ing the preferred option of PvP title for PvEers.

Pugs Not Drugs · Apr 09, 2011, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

How does that make no sense?

a) You can still rr balth faction on RA Zquest days. The quest is repeatable.
b) I'm sure a lot more people will be playing to resign if this is implemented. Remember you need a PvP title for the HoM, and it's worth 3 points. A point per win will quite possible make rr'ing the preferred option of PvP title for PvEers.

a) i dont see how that is relevant to changing the title. that is possible right now.

b)if the title was changed, i still dont see four people resigning for no reason. its not like everyone that plays ra does it for the title.

you would need to win 2000 matche in order to get r3 glad if the title was revamped. that theoretically means entering 4000 matches.

if you spent that time farming anything, pretty much, you would have way more than enough for the zaishen statue. besides, most people going for 50/50 can afford the zaishen statue already

Missing HB · Apr 09, 2011, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

How does that make no sense?

a) You can still rr balth faction on RA Zquest days. The quest is repeatable.
b) I'm sure a lot more people will be playing to resign if this is implemented. Remember you need a PvP title for the HoM, and it's worth 3 points. A point per win will quite possible make rr'ing the preferred option of PvP title for PvEers.

That makes no sense yes. You need 4 other players to be convinced of resigning , so that means 12 players to have a quest completed , which gives you 3000 factions.....
Red resign in HB was 6000 points , so that's equivalent to convincing 24 players of resigning... not that easy.... especially when opponent team has monk and you don't....

By the way , arguments you give to RR in RA can apply too on GvG quest , unfortunately not that many people do it ....

Fate Crusher · Apr 09, 2011, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by Pugs Not Drugs

Maxing or even getting a high rank in any pvp title right now is basically farming. in order to get a decent rank in any pvp title, you pretty much have to abuse the gimmicky build of the month over and over again to see progress. you could make that argument for the pvp titles in place right now. pretty much any title in this game, in fact, can only be maxed with farming over and over again

Excuse me, but have you ever done high-end pvp?

Albeit, Champion has seen better days and people have been banned for ladder manipulation, but the only way to achieve the higher ranks you need a good run of winning streaks, i.e. your win/loss ratio.

And then for HA, the only way to possibly attain r12 or higher is to get very good consecutive wins. The underpopulated HA that it is now will see you always skipping maps meaning you miss out on the fame multiplication. A full run where you don't skip a single map leading up to Halls is considered a good run. You end up in Halls with a 4 fame win and forced to only play a match every 12 minutes, which isn't effective enough at all. And as blue and with the morons running around nowadays, unless it's koth, you will not be holding for long.

So I hope this makes sense to you. Your "revamp" Gladiator is giving players a guaranteed ride up the title track with no difficulty curve whatsoever. Also known as farming.