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Daesu · Jun 03, 2011, 08:28 PM // 20:28

We need an incentive for PvP teams to take in low ranked (or rankless) players. I suggest:

1. If a very high total ranking team beats a very low total ranking team which is expected, they get zero or very low rewards.

2. If a low total ranking team beats a high ranking team which is unexpected, they get much better rewards.

3. The system would try to make the best possible matchup based on total rank level of the team.

If not, then what is the incentive for all these high ranked players to help out low ranked players? Right now we have none. Low ranked players are now risk baggages that most groups avoid because every group wants to win (of course).

What do you think?

Del · Jun 03, 2011, 08:32 PM // 20:32

And turn a near dead format into a dead format?

Daesu · Jun 03, 2011, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Del

And turn a near dead format into a dead format?

It would continue to be dead if new comers cannot find a team without ranks.

Even if somehow a team consisting of new comers join, they usually get beaten at the first match and feel discouraged because they are inexperienced.

What incentive do we have for high ranking players to even help out rankless players right now?

Second, is it even a fair match when a team of rank 11+s beats a team of rankless players?

This results in the intense GROUPING of high ranked players among themselves instead of helping out rankless players to enjoy the format.

*lemming* · Jun 03, 2011, 08:38 PM // 20:38

1. It's already dead.

2. This has been suggested a dozen times already.

melissa b · Jun 03, 2011, 08:45 PM // 20:45

There are ways that might help new players join ha that are fair to the veteran player.

/1 Star This isn't one of them

Daesu · Jun 03, 2011, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by melissa b

There are ways that might help new players join ha that are fair to the veteran player.

/1 Star This isn't one of them

On the contrary, the format encourages high ranking players to team up with one another.

Comon, if you have a rank 11 player and a rankless player with the same profession, which one would you pick in HA?

This cause the formation of overpowered teams in terms of experience relative to a rankless team of newbies and remember if either side wins, the rewards are the SAME. How is this even a fair match? And yet the current format actually encourages people to just form teams of high ranking players while making it hard for the low ranking players to get a foothold into the game.

I say if the rankless team somehow manages to beat a team of level 11+s veterans, the rankless team should be rewarded MORE because they accomplished something totally unexpected of them. And the reward should be less the other way round.

*lemming* · Jun 03, 2011, 08:58 PM // 20:58

So... you think that it's bad to want to play with better players in an organized team format?

(And before someone tries to quote me out of context: no, rank isn't any absolute determinant of skill, but a rank 11 player is more likely to know what to do than a rank 0 player.)

Daesu · Jun 03, 2011, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by lemming

So... you think that it's bad to want to play with better players in an organized team format?

(And before someone tries to quote me out of context: no, rank isn't any absolute determinant of skill, but a rank 11 player is more likely to know what to do than a rank 0 player.)

Yes, a rank 11 player is more likely to know what to do than a rank 0 player. So ANet should balance it by giving incentive to high ranking players for helping low ranking teams win.

Right now, the high ranking player can just sit back relax and win with his other high ranking buddies.

The former should be given higher rewards than the latter. If the rewards for the 2 situations are the same as they are now, most high ranking players are just going to choose the latter because it is the less risky way to win.

Del · Jun 03, 2011, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Low ranked players want to play with low ranked players about as much as high ranked players want to play with low ranked players. I don't see how there's any fairness to forcing high ranked players to play with low ranked players.

AndrewSX · Jun 03, 2011, 09:33 PM // 21:33

As said above, this:
-prolly will not happen.
-prolly will not solve anything.
-prolly will prolly give the final hit to this format.

I see your points tho (cause i'm one of the nearly r0 you consider).
Imo the "rank level" of a group could be used to split teams.
I mean, full r11 team going vs half r11 + half r10, r3 team vs half r4+half r2 and so on.
Aka, use the total rank level to have teams of similar experience face each other, instead of having a exp one stomp any (rare) newbs team, and maybe scale rewards with the total rank medium of teams involved in match, dunno.
Create some "tier" of HA in other words, newbs vs. newbs, exp vs. exp, mid vs. mid, uber-pvp-player vs. uber-pvp-player, u get the idea.

P.S:The lack of teams would makes something like this kinda pointless tho.

Essence Snow · Jun 03, 2011, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by Del

Low ranked players want to play with low ranked players about as much as high ranked players want to play with low ranked players. I don't see how there's any fairness to forcing high ranked players to play with low ranked players.

For the most part low ranked players dont mind playing with other low ranked player as long as they are not facing significantly higher ranked(exp) players

gremlin · Jun 03, 2011, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by lemming

So... you think that it's bad to want to play with better players in an organized team format?

(And before someone tries to quote me out of context: no, rank isn't any absolute determinant of skill, but a rank 11 player is more likely to know what to do than a rank 0 player.)

Quote you out of context ! yeah like that's ever going to happen

Del · Jun 03, 2011, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

For the most part low ranked players dont mind playing with other low ranked player as long as they are not facing significantly higher ranked(exp) players

lolwhat? that's why they constantly whine about high ranked players not taking them, and refuse to start their own groups of low ranked players, then whine on forums about how they can't do HA since elitists don't let them on their teams? Yeah, right. Makes perfect sense.

Swingline · Jun 03, 2011, 10:00 PM // 22:00

/notsigned

the maps need changing along with skill nerfs to make HA more attractive. the title system of HA shouldn't be touched in any way.

*lemming* · Jun 03, 2011, 10:06 PM // 22:06

Just gonna link this post again.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...57&postcount=1

Del · Jun 03, 2011, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by lemming

Just gonna link this post again.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...57&postcount=1

You should sticky that somewhere.

Reverend Dr · Jun 03, 2011, 10:11 PM // 22:11

So how does it work when there are only 5 teams in HA? How could this possibly make anything better?

Essence Snow · Jun 03, 2011, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Del

lolwhat? that's why they constantly whine about high ranked players not taking them, and refuse to start their own groups of low ranked players, then whine on forums about how they can't do HA since elitists don't let them on their teams? Yeah, right. Makes perfect since.

That is simply b/c they more or less likely will be facing higher ranked (exp) teams. Notice how easy it was to find groups for the 0 ranked players for the new pvp quests. Since there were so many "newbies" they really didnt care about rank..they just wanted to get in and fullfill their quests. In doing so there were lots of the groups having little to no rank (exp) fighting eachother...and it was actually fun....and if there were a way to promote this, it would remain fun..but as the quests run out it'll just go back to the same old same old

Del · Jun 03, 2011, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

That is simply b/c they more or less likely will be facing higher ranked (exp) teams. Notice how easy it was to find groups for the 0 ranked players for the new pvp quests. Since there were so many "newbies" they really didnt care about rank..they just wanted to get in and fullfill their quests. In doing so there were lots of the groups having little to no rank (exp) fighting eachother...and it was actually fun....and if there were a way to promote this, it would remain fun..but as the quests run out it'll just go back to the same old same old

Well, i've started unranked groups full of unranked/lowranked players and won. Why? because i, and the people I pugged with bothered to learn things beforehand, and make a conscious effort to improve, rather than be like most of the noobs whining about elitism who don't bother to learn anything beforehand, and play like shit, but expect that they should be let into ranked groups. If low ranked players had more of a tendency to at least prove themselves to be competent learners, elitism probably wouldn't be a huge issue.

Daesu · Jun 03, 2011, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Del

Low ranked players want to play with low ranked players about as much as high ranked players want to play with low ranked players. I don't see how there's any fairness to forcing high ranked players to play with low ranked players.

Guess what? No account is created with already a high ranking inserted in.

If nobody wants to play with low ranked player, then guess what would happen to the game?

Dead. As more high ranked players get bored and leave, there would not be any new blood into pvp because we all hate to party with low ranked player.

We should give an incentive to high ranked players to "show the ropes" by joining low ranked teams. Currently this incentive is missing, which is the point I am trying to make.

Without this incentive, if I am high ranked player, why should I help out the unwanted low ranked newbies? I can easily find a group with my high rank and take a lower risk to victory, using a team of all high ranked players.

So you end up with teams after teams that are formed with very high ranking players which completely obliterated rankless teams. This makes new players discouraged because nobody wants to help them and they just dont enjoy a game where they get defeated within 30s against a spike team everytime. Many PvEers unfortunately do not know PvP 101.